Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Hi, My vegetarian sister and health conscious brother (in their 50's) were both recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They are both physically active (tennis, yoga, biking, etc) and thought they were perfectly healthy. However, they both recently broke a bone (bike crash and tennis fall). The bone doctor did a test and found the osteo problem. He prescribed something that gave them acid reflux so severe that they stopped the treatment. They wonder if there is an acupuncture or herbal protocol that might address their problem. I realize that diagnosis is important but I am in China and can't see them. If any suggestions or success stories I will send them to a practitioner. My brother lives in Vallejo, CA and sister is in Sebastopol, CA so would also appreciate recommendations for practitioners near them. Thanks. David Klatt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 They must not lie down after taking meds for osteoporosis to avoid reflux. Prio breakfast, sit upright for at least 30 minutes. Not to forget to drink plenty of water with medication. Be careful with certain spinal movements! Best wishes, Alan On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:17 PM, " where is the love? " <daodeyao wrote: Hi, My vegetarian sister and health conscious brother (in their 50's) were both recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They are both physically active (tennis, yoga, biking, etc) and thought they were perfectly healthy. However, they both recently broke a bone (bike crash and tennis fall). The bone doctor did a test and found the osteo problem. He prescribed something that gave them acid reflux so severe that they stopped the treatment. They wonder if there is an acupuncture or herbal protocol that might address their problem. I realize that diagnosis is important but I am in China and can't see them. If any suggestions or success stories I will send them to a practitioner. My brother lives in Vallejo, CA and sister is in Sebastopol, CA so would also appreciate recommendations for practitioners near them. Thanks. David Klatt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Recently there was a report that said that trampoline was better for osteoporosis than weight training as they usually prescribe. I remember the Qi Gong exercise for Kidney which was to raise the heels and come down on them in a rapid matter. Gently clicking the teeth on doing so was also part of the exercise. I'm sure it has a name but I have forgotten it. Interesting how western science catches up. The love is everywhere, Doug , " where is the love? " <daodeyao wrote: > > Hi, > > My vegetarian sister and health conscious brother (in their 50's) were both recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They are both physically active (tennis, yoga, biking, etc) and thought they were perfectly healthy. However, they both recently broke a bone (bike crash and tennis fall). The bone doctor did a test and found the osteo problem. He prescribed something that gave them acid reflux so severe that they stopped the treatment. They wonder if there is an acupuncture or herbal protocol that might address their problem. > I realize that diagnosis is important but I am in China and can't see them. If any suggestions or success stories I will send them to a practitioner. My brother lives in Vallejo, CA and sister is in Sebastopol, CA so would also appreciate recommendations for practitioners near them. > Thanks. > > David Klatt > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Hi David-- The best thing for osteoporosis is to combat it with food once the fracture has been taken care of with an M.D. Bone and marrow soup: long term-cure: beef bone, pig, goat, lamb, chicken, duck, squirrel (and if you can find a dragon, that too :-) (Not altogether though, one day beef bone soup, another day pig bone soup, and so on) put it in a slow cooker overnight, cover with water, add curcumin a tablespoonful, salt to taste, Da Zao if available, or just prunes like a handful, or both; oregano a tablespoonful, celery 3 - 4 stalks, garlic, and whatever dark green hard leafy veggie. Cook overnight and eat it for breakfast everyday (if there's lots of soup, just heat it up in the am and Bon appetite. Also pig's feet soup with the same ingredients above except the sweets (Da Zao and/or prunes) or Beef tendon soup same ingredients as above (except the sweets) Pig's feet and beef tendon available at Viernamese stores. Also: lose the sugar completely. absolutely no refined sugars, none, zero, zip, nada. No milk (people think milk and calcium...not so) no cheese...particularly no cheese, maybe farmer's cheese if at all, you know...the loose, soft farmers cheese, that's it.  Internal formula: Bu shen Zhuang Jin Tang: Tonify KD and Strengthen the Tendons 1. Blood movers: Mo Yao 9 and Xue jie 9 (not too much right now) 2. Build bones: zi ran tong 12, jie gu mu (if don’t have this, can use tou gou cao12, gu sui bu 10, xu duan 15) 3. Tonify KD for helping bones: bu gu zhi 15, sang ji sheng 10 4. Guiding herbs: sang zhi and jiang huang 10each DO NOT DO strenuous aerobic exercises (think turtle) no tennis, no mountain biking, though biking normally is O.K., walking (not running) is O.K. Keep in mind these people suffer from severe KD deficiency and depletion and they need to nourish/build Yin (think turtle, little movement, long life) Use supplements Spirulina and Chlorella to soften the tendons. Do yoga and stretches, do Qigong and TaiChi. Best if all aerobic activity is suspended. There will be weight gain, but at the moment the restoration of the frame is paramount, for w/o it there will be no siblings to speak of. Your vegetarian sister I don't know how to help, though she could use the spirulina and chlorella available at GNC or whole food stores. Kind regards, Gloria  ________________________________ where is the love? <daodeyao Fri, February 12, 2010 9:17:39 PM osteoporosis  Hi, My vegetarian sister and health conscious brother (in their 50's) were both recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They are both physically active (tennis, yoga, biking, etc) and thought they were perfectly healthy. However, they both recently broke a bone (bike crash and tennis fall). The bone doctor did a test and found the osteo problem. He prescribed something that gave them acid reflux so severe that they stopped the treatment. They wonder if there is an acupuncture or herbal protocol that might address their problem. I realize that diagnosis is important but I am in China and can't see them. If any suggestions or success stories I will send them to a practitioner. My brother lives in Vallejo, CA and sister is in Sebastopol, CA so would also appreciate recommendations for practitioners near them. Thanks. David Klatt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 They may need to be check with Vitamin D level, beside Chinese herbs. Other options include IV treatment to bypass GI track. Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA, MPH Johns Hopkins Community Physicians Wyman Park Internal Medicine Tel 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413 Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine Tel 410-522-9940 Fax 410-522-9954 WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information sent by e-mail may not remain confidential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 I recall listening to a seminar with Andrew Gaeddert of Health Concerns talking about treating osteoporosis with herbs and supplements. It might be useful contacting him. Also a question for everyone: Years ago I read a study that compared the rates of osteoporosis with the amounts of dairy consumed by nations as a whole. They found that the nations who consumed the most dairy products also had the highest levels of osteoporosis. Does anybody know who did that study and where to find the abstract? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Here is the article may answer some of your questions. http://www.epocrates.com/dacc/1001/VitDdefBMJ1001.pdf An important reminder I thought on presentation: “Pain and proximal muscle weakness dominate the clinical picture of vitamin D deficiency in adults. Rib, hip, pelvis, thigh, and foot pain are typical. More diffuse muscular aches and muscle weakness, including in the limbs and back, are also common and may be labelled as “fibromyalgia” or as a somatisation of depression.26 Low bone density on dual energy x ray absorptiometry scanning, or osteopenia on plain radiography, may also reflect osteomalacia, and these findings warrant assessment of vitamin D status.” Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA, MPH Johns Hopkins Community Physicians Wyman Park Internal Medicine Tel 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413 Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine Tel 410-522-9940 Fax 410-522-9954 WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information sent by e-mail may not remain confidential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 I use the supplement " Osteobalance " from Pure Encapsulations. It appears to work well (difficult to assess in long term issues), and is very well tolerated. All good things, Tymothy , " where is the love? " <daodeyao wrote: > > Hi, > > My vegetarian sister and health conscious brother (in their 50's) were both recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They are both physically active (tennis, yoga, biking, etc) and thought they were perfectly healthy. However, they both recently broke a bone (bike crash and tennis fall). The bone doctor did a test and found the osteo problem. He prescribed something that gave them acid reflux so severe that they stopped the treatment. They wonder if there is an acupuncture or herbal protocol that might address their problem. > I realize that diagnosis is important but I am in China and can't see them. If any suggestions or success stories I will send them to a practitioner. My brother lives in Vallejo, CA and sister is in Sebastopol, CA so would also appreciate recommendations for practitioners near them. > Thanks. > > David Klatt > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
