SV: liver detox formula

[Guest guest]

Nevertheless the term as employed conjoins a set of symptoms, and signs,

especially

according to pulse and tongue diagnosis, and then joins them to a treatment

principle from

which an herbal formula has been derived.

>>>>>>

I have no problem with this, i think dr shen is a good example of modern

development of CM and of course to the strict chinese followers in out group can

be categorized as MSU

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Shen was a brilliant practitioner with poor English language

skills, so the transmissions of his ideas via his earlier students

such as 'blood unclear' remain quite fuzzy and difficult to figure

out at times. Certainly he was an innovator, but I fear that much

was lost in the shuffle.

 

 

On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:28 PM, wrote:

 

> I have no problem with this, i think dr shen is a good example of

> modern development of CM and of course to the strict chinese

> followers in out group can be categorized as MSU

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Certainly he was an innovator, but I fear that much

was lost in the shuffle.

>>>>>A

Zev, are you speaking from first hand knowledge or a feeling?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I did take a few seminars from him as well. . . I was impressed with

his pulse skills, although one of my teachers dismissed it as psychic

parlor tricks (I didn't agree at the time).

 

I've written elsewhere ( in the Clinical Acupuncture and Oriental

Medicine Journal) about this, so I'm not going to repeat myself here

again.

 

 

On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, wrote:

 

> Certainly he was an innovator, but I fear that much

> was lost in the shuffle.

>

>>>>>> A

>>>>>>

> Zev, are you speaking from first hand knowledge or a feeling?

>

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> Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

Zev, perhaps Will can chime in and let us know what he think is lost or was

poorly communicated to those that spent extended privet time with him

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

When I first started studying Chinese medicine I quit writing poetry for a

while. When I

began studying Chinese herbal formulas and learning how to modify them I

discovered

that some of the same creativity is required. Language aside, one can examine a

formula

and see its brilliance. I hope everyone will have an opportunity to see some of

Dr. Shen's

formulas " exposited. " What's more, having used the formula described myself,

the

relationship between the signs, symptoms, the Blood Unclear formula, and the

results,

there is nothing " unclear " about it.

 

-Brandt Stickley

 

 

, " " <zrosenbe@s...>

wrote:

> Dr. Shen was a brilliant practitioner with poor English language

> skills, so the transmissions of his ideas via his earlier students

> such as 'blood unclear' remain quite fuzzy and difficult to figure

> out at times. Certainly he was an innovator, but I fear that much

> was lost in the shuffle.

>

>

> On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:28 PM, wrote:

>

> > I have no problem with this, i think dr shen is a good example of

> > modern development of CM and of course to the strict chinese

> > followers in out group can be categorized as MSU

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Prescriptions can be built elegantly, and as you point out, there is

a lot of poetry in that process. One can bypass the obscure language

of poor translation to some degree. However, if we are trying to

communicate medicine in the clearest fashion possible, using terms

without Chinese or pinyin equivalents will make it rough going in

understanding what teachers like Dr. Shen were trying to present.

 

 

On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Brandt Stickley wrote:

 

> When I first started studying Chinese medicine I quit writing

> poetry for a while. When I

> began studying Chinese herbal formulas and learning how to modify

> them I discovered

> that some of the same creativity is required. Language aside, one

> can examine a formula

> and see its brilliance. I hope everyone will have an opportunity

> to see some of Dr. Shen's

> formulas " exposited. " What's more, having used the formula

> described myself, the

> relationship between the signs, symptoms, the Blood Unclear

> formula, and the results,

> there is nothing " unclear " about it.

>

> -Brandt Stickley

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'd be interested in reading your take on one of Dr. Shen's herbal

poems.

 

I myself feel like Chinese herbalism makes use of the same part of my

brain as creative cooking. That's probably because I was a cook, not

a poet. : )

 

-al.

 

On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Brandt Stickley wrote:

 

> When I first started studying Chinese medicine I quit writing

> poetry for a while. When I

> began studying Chinese herbal formulas and learning how to modify

> them I discovered

> that some of the same creativity is required. Language aside, one

> can examine a formula

> and see its brilliance. I hope everyone will have an opportunity

> to see some of Dr. Shen's

> formulas " exposited. " What's more, having used the formula

> described myself, the

> relationship between the signs, symptoms, the Blood Unclear

> formula, and the results,

> there is nothing " unclear " about it.

>

> -Brandt Stickley

 

 

--

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

[Guest guest]

using terms

without Chinese or pinyin equivalents will make it rough going in

understanding what teachers like Dr. Shen were trying to present.

 

>>>>>>

From what i understand Dr shen needed new terms that were not related to

standard CM and for which pin yin may not be available

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't mean this personally to you, but that for me is a cop-out.

Poor english language skills means poorly translated information.

Students who don't know Chinese language means that they cannot

compare Chinese and English language terms, therefore not recording

accurate information. Poor choices of terms to describe new

discoveries means that the original ideas cannot be transmitted

properly, no matter how innovative they are.

 

 

On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:20 PM, wrote:

 

> From what i understand Dr shen needed new terms that were not

> related to standard CM and for which pin yin may not be available

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Poor choices of terms to describe new

discoveries means that the original ideas cannot be transmitted

properly, no matter how innovative they are

>>>>Zev, whos terms are these? Dr Shen? or Just Hammer's. Will you spent time

with Dr Shen what have you to say.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609