Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Posted July 25, 2005 Dear Mike, I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, not just theory. I have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which is specifically a disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, that prior to and during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of thick, phlegmy pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear in her pharynx during respiration. My deduction would be that a proliferation of invisible phlegm would render it tangible. I would, further, love to see if any research has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible Phlegm " . I suspect that this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were before the microscope. Yehuda - " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction JUST from fish bones? >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone obstruction is the >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. > > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see why not using modern > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and remove by physical means. > > Mike L. > > < wrote: > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, > > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we always were taught was its > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, salty and warm nature. > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an essential part of the > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning " invisible phlegm " throat > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction interfering with the ability > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make sense, no? > > Thanks, > > Yehuda > > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Posted July 25, 2005 I did not say invisible phlegm is intangible. In fact, if it's invisible *and* intangible we probably don't get to see the patients in the first place.:-) Mike L. --- < wrote: > Dear Mike, > > I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, > not just theory. I > have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which > is specifically a > disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, > that prior to and > during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of > thick, phlegmy > pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear > in her pharynx during > respiration. My deduction would be that a > proliferation of invisible phlegm > would render it tangible. I would, further, love > to see if any research > has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible > Phlegm " . I suspect that > this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were > before the microscope. > > Yehuda > - > " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw > > Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM > Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction > JUST from fish bones? > > > >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone > obstruction is the > >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. > > > > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see > why not using modern > > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and > remove by physical means. > > > > Mike L. > > > > < wrote: > > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, > > > > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we > always were taught was its > > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, > salty and warm nature. > > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an > essential part of the > > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning > " invisible phlegm " throat > > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction > interfering with the ability > > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make > sense, no? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yehuda > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various > professional services, including > > board approved continuing education classes, an > annual conference and a > > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 There is an article in today's science times: in older people w/ osteoporosis what fills the space in the bones is fat. Interesting to think about in the context of most geriatric medicine being based on phlegm and blood stasis Cara > Dear Mike, > > I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, not just theory. I > have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which is specifically a > disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, that prior to and > during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of thick, phlegmy > pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear in her pharynx during > respiration. My deduction would be that a proliferation of invisible phlegm > would render it tangible. I would, further, love to see if any research > has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible Phlegm " . I suspect that > this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were before the microscope. > > Yehuda > - > " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw > > Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM > Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction JUST from fish bones? > > >> >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone obstruction is the >> >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. >> > >> > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see why not using modern >> > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and remove by physical means. >> > >> > Mike L. >> > >> > < wrote: >> > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, >> > >> > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we always were taught was its >> > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, salty and warm nature. >> > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an essential part of the >> > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning " invisible phlegm " throat >> > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction interfering with the ability >> > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make sense, no? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Yehuda >> > >> > Quote
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