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Marnae

The problem is that without knowing the context or knowing TK or knowing

something about CM it is certainly possible for the Web to feed the fantasy

of what CM is - a coherent poetic medicine that is basically seamless in

its explanation of health and illness. We all know that it is more complex

than this and that 'knowing' and the history of CM is extremely

problematic

 

>>> So how much " fantasy " does a good medicine need? I hope that gets sorted

out in san diego. I'd like to be there.

In my experience CM is occasionally " a coherent poetic medicine that is

basically seamless in its explanation of health and illness " . Especially when

the patients aren't particularly sick to begin with which seems to be the case

with most patients who have read the Web, and " believed the fantasy " . The more

ill that people are and the longer that they have been ill, the less inclined

they are to fantasize about medicine. and the more important it is that the

practioner be " seemless " in his or her " explination of health and illness " .

Because, as i guess its safe to say, " we " have discovered medicine never has

been so seamless. But who can put that up front? On a pamphlet maybe? " DR. so

and so has been teaching and practicing for over 20 and has discovered that what

we don't know about human health and illness is still a mole-hill compared to

the mountain that we don't know. " We couldn't and shouldn't stop people from

believing in the myth of medicine. And at the same time it is our job to

understand the complexities and vagaries and limitations of our medicine and be

damn honest in our presentation of that understanding. How one allows the

" fantasy " and yet is " honest " is not simple, at least not for me. I wouldn't

call it a " problem " but i do call it a " practice " in all that that implies. i

certainly appreciate that we are discussing how we do it as a profession (having

taken the liberty to frame the discussion such). and though i will not make it

to san diego this year i reckon this topic will be discussed for many years to

come. Dean

 

 

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Marnae,

 

I never meant I would use the Web as a stand-alone text! I give my students

a list of 30 books for the first year, including the Wiseman Practical

Dictionary. I ask my students to read the Web as a simple introduction, and

tell them we must read more broadly and deeply in many other texts to get a

good foundation., including the Fundamentals.

 

But in all these discussions, no one has mentioned a single thing -- not one

sentence even -- from the Web that could be considered erroneous, incorrect,

overly simplified, misleading, or perpetuating fantasies. Can you?

 

Julie

 

 

 

> Julie - we too use the Web - but only as a supplement to other, much more

> extensive theoretical textbooks. Our primary text is

> Wiseman's Fundamentals. The problem with the Web as a textbook is that it

> is not written for the practitioner. It is nicely written, it

> reads easily and it often gives a false sense of simplicity in CM.

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Julie - errors or incorrect information no - and I don't think I said that

there were any. However, for example, the book limits itself

to discussion of the 8 Principles as the primary diagnostic lens through

which to view a patient - there is little to no mention of the SHL

or Wen Bing theory. It is somewhat of a totalizing text in that it gives

the view that CM is a completely coherent and seamless

practice which it is not. It doesn't really place the medicine in a

historical context (unless you read the appendices and the footnotes which

student

often don't). Don't get me wrong - I like the book and of the books

written for the general introduction it still remains the best - especially

the new edition - the real meat of the book is in the appendices. As

either Ken or Bob pointed out earlier, if one doesn't read Ted's

introduction one

really cannot assess the book in terms of what the author thinks he is

doing. Ted himself states that " any assertion is automatically a complex

problematic and an opportunity for contending understandings. My

hermeneutic tendency would have liked to pursue the paradoxical knowledge

produced by irreducible uncertainty. " But,

unless one reads the forward, one does not understand that the book is

written by someone who at the time was a " novice " in the field and who was

working out

his own understandings. As he states " my growth is reflected in what has

been altered " [in the second edition]. The book gives an impression of

certainty to the

theory of CM that the uninformed or unguided reader cannot necessarily

understand as the process of a practitioner learning to accept the

contradictions and

paradoxes of CM.

 

Marnae

 

At 07:07 PM 10/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Marnae,

>

>I never meant I would use the Web as a stand-alone text! I give my students

>a list of 30 books for the first year, including the Wiseman Practical

>Dictionary. I ask my students to read the Web as a simple introduction, and

>tell them we must read more broadly and deeply in many other texts to get a

>good foundation., including the Fundamentals.

>

>But in all these discussions, no one has mentioned a single thing -- not one

>sentence even -- from the Web that could be considered erroneous, incorrect,

>overly simplified, misleading, or perpetuating fantasies. Can you?

>

>Julie

>

>

>

> > Julie - we too use the Web - but only as a supplement to other, much more

> > extensive theoretical textbooks. Our primary text is

> > Wiseman's Fundamentals. The problem with the Web as a textbook is that it

> > is not written for the practitioner. It is nicely written, it

> > reads easily and it often gives a false sense of simplicity in CM.

>

>

>

>

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

>professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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Marnae, thank you so much. I have always felt the appendices were critical

in the Web. Thanks for taking the time to provide your critique.

 

Julie

 

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" Marnae Ergil " <marnae

 

Monday, October 06, 2003 7:39 PM

Re: More discusion on the Web

 

 

> Julie - errors or incorrect information no - and I don't think I said that

> there were any. However, for example, the book limits itself

> to discussion of the 8 Principles as the primary diagnostic lens through

> which to view a patient - there is little to no mention of the SHL

> or Wen Bing theory.

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Just to add - the discussion of the Web came from Ken's question on how we

present ourselves to the consumer and whether we can stand behind the

presentation of CM to the public. Web came up as an example because it is

such an important book in terms of our public presentation - if there is

any one book that the patient is likely to have read it is the Web. The

problem is that without knowing the context or knowing TK or knowing

something about CM it is certainly possible for the Web to feed the fantasy

of what CM is - a coherent poetic medicine that is basically seamless in

its explanation of health and illness. We all know that it is more complex

than this and that 'knowing' and the history of CM is extremely

problematic. It is not a medicine that was created 2000 years and has come

down the years unchanged. We do not practice the medicine of the Nei Jing,

but neither did practitioners 1000 years ago. Yes, texts throughout China

and in the West are peppered with quotes from the Nei Jing. We must reach

to our roots to authenticate what we do but the social/cultural milieu in

which we live is different and it influences our understanding of CM, our

understanding of health and disease, and it cannot be ignored. So, to get

back to Ken's original questions, what are we going to do about the

portrayal of CM which, according to PUU is a false portrayal that is not

based in history - well, the most important thing to do is to keep writing

and keep teaching. But do it well - make our students into critical

readers and thinkers who do not simply accept what is given to them at face

value but will actually read further and question their teachers. This is

something that we must do - once we have given our students the

fundamentals and they have passed through the rigors of all of the

memorization that must be done - and even while we are doing this - get

them thinking and asking and writing and reading. Do not let them be

passive observers. And I believe that having a good and critical knowledge

of history, of philosophy, of language, of areas outside of CM, of the

socio-cultural world of China etc can indeed improve the clinical practice

of the clinician. Without this knowledge it is all to easy for the

clinician to accept as truth that x, y or z does a, b, or c without

questioning or understanding why. So, thank you Ken for presenting the

question and responding to all of the criticism that came back to

you. Yes, it was frustrating initially not to have the specifics of what

occured in the wilds of CA but as we created our own discussion perhaps it

didn't matter - anyway, I have enjoyed it!

 

Marnae

 

At 08:48 PM 10/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Marnae, thank you so much. I have always felt the appendices were critical

>in the Web. Thanks for taking the time to provide your critique.

>

>Julie

>

>-

> " Marnae Ergil " <marnae

>

>Monday, October 06, 2003 7:39 PM

>Re: More discusion on the Web

>

>

> > Julie - errors or incorrect information no - and I don't think I said that

> > there were any. However, for example, the book limits itself

> > to discussion of the 8 Principles as the primary diagnostic lens through

> > which to view a patient - there is little to no mention of the SHL

> > or Wen Bing theory.

>

>

>

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

>professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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This is the crux of the issue for teachers, Marnae.

 

Thinking back to Ken's original posts on this topic (reexamining the

present state of the art of TCM in the West), your thoughts here gave

me some fuel.

 

For me, as a professor/teacher the last 14 years, the big issue about

the profession is that the 'required texts' of the state and national

boards and institutions help create the illusion that all the required

knowledge is in a handful of texts, even though the knowledge base has

expanded beyond these texts for several years now. The questions are

based largely on these books, and are multiple choice. Many students

and graduates have complained to me that there were often more than one

correct answer on these tests, and I'd have to agree.

 

The omission of the Wiseman dictionary, Wiseman terminology-based

textbooks from Paradigm Press and Blue Poppy texts as source material

for licensing exams has been a major blemish on the profession for many

years now. There really is no excuse for it.

 

So, the way the academic institutions , licensing exams and acupuncture

boards are set up give the illusion of a finite vocational field, with

a limited and arbitrary knowledge base that already seems to be set in

stone. It certainly doesn't allow for creativity or openness to other

points of view.

 

My own teaching style has always been to challenge, question, and open

up as many fields of inquiry as are possible. Some students appreciate

this, others have seen it as a distraction on the way to getting their

piece of paper.

 

 

On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 08:07 PM, Marnae Ergil wrote:

 

> the most important thing to do is to keep writing

> and keep teaching. But do it well - make our students into critical

> readers and thinkers who do not simply accept what is given to them at

> face

> value but will actually read further and question their teachers.

> This is

> something that we must do - once we have given our students the

> fundamentals and they have passed through the rigors of all of the

> memorization that must be done - and even while we are doing this - get

> them thinking and asking and writing and reading. Do not let them be

> passive observers.

 

 

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Hi Julie

 

Would you be willing to give us on the list or me privately, more

insight in the list of 30 books you recommend to your students?

 

Recognising that curriculum of my course is not yet providing all the

subjects I would like to study in TCM, I am always on the lookout for

good textbooks which could fill the gaps.

 

Thank you

 

Alwin

 

, Julie Chambers <info@j...>

wrote:

> I never meant I would use the Web as a stand-alone text! I give my

students

> a list of 30 books for the first year, including the Wiseman

Practical

> Dictionary. I ask my students to read the Web as a simple

introduction, and

> tell them we must read more broadly and deeply in many other texts

to get a

> good foundation., including the Fundamentals.

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At 02:46 PM 10/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Marnae,

>

>He raised this challenge two or three times. Among

>the people in the room were myself, Joe Helms,

>Harriet and Efrem, and we've all written books

>about " Chinese medicine " and Paul was very

>directly and very clearly asking us what we

>are going to do about our own representations

>to the public on the subject.

>

>Are we going to bring our expressions of and

>about the subject into line with what we were

>coming to see as a more accurate picture of

>its character, nature, history, etc. Or would be

>satisfied to continually ratify the status quo

>that is represented in the bulk of extant English

>literature, particulary those texts that are the

>cornerstones of both instruction/examination

>as well as the public's impression of what

>Chinese medicine is all about.

>

>This is what Paul wanted and I believe still

>wants to know.

 

OK - So Ken, now you have posed the challenge to us and many of us have

responded with some thoughts. But we haven't really heard your thoughts on

what YOU are going to do - as an author and an editor you hold a very

important position in defining the field. What specifics came to you about

what you can do?

 

 

>I have a deep respect for him, and his question

>touched me deeply, as I think I've made more

>or less obvious over the past few weeks while

>we've been talking about it.

>

>I'll tell you a little story that might help everyone

>understand my own concerns.

>

>A couple of years ago I was visiting the Unschulds

>in their home in Munich. One evening we were

>sitting in the living room and Paul was thumbing

>through the German edition of Who Can Ride the Dragon?

>

>He quipped that he saw no Unschuld references

>in the bibliography, and I replied that it was a

>darn good thing I'd never read his work before

>I wrote that book...or I wouldn't have bothered.

>

>Ulricke reprimanded both of us, protesting that

>she liked WCRD and thought it was a good addition

>to the literature, once again proving something

>that I've felt all my life: women are more sensible

>than men.

>

>Paul's concerns remain important nonetheless.

>

>I'll be quite interested to learn what you

>make of my take on Web. It is, no doubt,

>far less sensible than yours. But I think

>we've both focused on the same or similar

>aspects of the book to criticize.

>

>We can take it up after you see what I've

>got to say.

 

 

I look forward to seeing it!

 

>Ken

 

 

marnae

 

 

 

 

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

>professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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, " kenrose2008 "

<kenrose2008> wrote:

> I'm all in favor of some sort of commission,

> I think that's what I said at the very beginning. >>>

 

 

 

 

 

Ken:

 

Since many of us are teachers, what about a teacher's association---

what better vantage to influence public and student opinion,

curriculum, and publishing standards?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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, " kenrose2008 " wrote:

> I take responsibility for the demise of

> the journal, because I have often used

> it as a place to forward what are, admittedly

> unpopular to highly unpopular topics such

> as the ones we're now talking about. >>>

 

 

 

Ken:

 

Even while not always agreeing with some of the opinions you

published, I think you should be congradulated for putting out an

intellectually important journal---irrespective of its business

success and your publisher's lack of imagination. Most literature

simply reiterates the rudimentary TCM ideas and procedures.

 

The fault is with the professionals in this field for not

recognizing the significance of the material. Being at the cutting

edge of this profession, unfortunately, is not always rewarded.

 

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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In a message dated 10/7/03 9:38:35 PM, marnae writes:

 

 

> Jim - there have been many attempts to start a teachers association - none

> too successful - the last was spearheaded by Stuart Watts - perhaps it

> still exists and couuld use an infusion of new qi.

>

> Marnae

>

 

Yes. Actually, AAOM supported Stuart and would stilllike to work to establish

a teachers association to provide a place where teachers might work to

establish consistency and enhance the quality of our education. Actually, I

think

that it is one of the jobs of the Accreditation comission to stimulate the

colleges to support this process so that there can be greater interaction

between

professors. We are growing up as a profession, so I think the time is ripe to

make something like this work.

David Molony

 

 

 

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I also want to offer Ken kudos for this journal, of which I was an

editor, and reviewed many articles. The journal was consistently high

quality and provocative, thanks to Ken. The problem was getting

connections with schools and other institutions to circulate the

journal more widely. Too few people knew about the CAOM.

 

 

On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 02:31 PM, James Ramholz wrote:

 

> , " kenrose2008 " wrote:

>> I take responsibility for the demise of

>> the journal, because I have often used

>> it as a place to forward what are, admittedly

>> unpopular to highly unpopular topics such

>> as the ones we're now talking about. >>>

>

>

>

> Ken:

>

> Even while not always agreeing with some of the opinions you

> published, I think you should be congradulated for putting out an

> intellectually important journal---irrespective of its business

> success and your publisher's lack of imagination. Most literature

> simply reiterates the rudimentary TCM ideas and procedures.

>

> The fault is with the professionals in this field for not

> recognizing the significance of the material. Being at the cutting

> edge of this profession, unfortunately, is not always rewarded.

>

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes! Dave, Marnae and Jim....

 

Stuart did a lot of work toward a faculty organization. Let's get him in and

pull something together - even though a unified teacher scenario petrifies

Deans. This could be the time. Todd also made an attempt . Let's join these

forces at each and every organizational meeting from CSOMA to AAOM to AOMA to

CHA... and anywhere teachers of OM occur. This is a great spot or maybe an

offshoot

listserver...but Todd..that would be your call once such discourse should

become non-herb relevant. Or - maybe it is time to review the mission of this

list since it seems to have changed.

 

Will

 

>

> > Jim - there have been many attempts to start a teachers association - none

> > too successful - the last was spearheaded by Stuart Watts - perhaps it

> > still exists and couuld use an infusion of new qi.

> >

> > Marnae

> >

>

> Yes. Actually, AAOM supported Stuart and would stilllike to work to

> establish

> a teachers association to provide a place where teachers might work to

> establish consistency and enhance the quality of our education. Actually, I

> think

> that it is one of the jobs of the Accreditation comission to stimulate the

> colleges to support this process so that there can be greater interaction

> between

> professors. We are growing up as a profession, so I think the time is ripe

> to

> make something like this work.

> David Molony

 

 

William R. Morris, OMD

Secretary, AAOM

Academic Dean

Emperor's College of TOM

310-453-8383

 

 

 

 

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Jim - there have been many attempts to start a teachers association - none

too successful - the last was spearheaded by Stuart Watts - perhaps it

still exists and couuld use an infusion of new qi.

 

Marnae

 

At 09:21 PM 10/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> , " kenrose2008 "

><kenrose2008> wrote:

> > I'm all in favor of some sort of commission,

> > I think that's what I said at the very beginning. >>>

>

>

>

>

>

>Ken:

>

>Since many of us are teachers, what about a teacher's association---

>what better vantage to influence public and student opinion,

>curriculum, and publishing standards?

>

>

>Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

>professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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Ken -

 

I am sorry to see the end of the journal. I understand the problem - we

experienced some of the same issues when Kevin was editing the journal -

but Churchill (with Inta's insistence) remained supportive of the start

up. I'm sorry they couldn't maintain it.

 

Marnae

 

At 09:31 PM 10/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> , " kenrose2008 " wrote:

> > I take responsibility for the demise of

> > the journal, because I have often used

> > it as a place to forward what are, admittedly

> > unpopular to highly unpopular topics such

> > as the ones we're now talking about. >>>

>

>

>

>Ken:

>

>Even while not always agreeing with some of the opinions you

>published, I think you should be congradulated for putting out an

>intellectually important journal---irrespective of its business

>success and your publisher's lack of imagination. Most literature

>simply reiterates the rudimentary TCM ideas and procedures.

>

>The fault is with the professionals in this field for not

>recognizing the significance of the material. Being at the cutting

>edge of this profession, unfortunately, is not always rewarded.

>

>

>

>Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics

>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

>professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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" Alwin van Egmond " <

 

Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:32 AM

Re: More discusion on the Web

 

 

> Hi Julie

>

> Would you be willing to give us on the list or me privately, more

> insight in the list of 30 books you recommend to your students?

 

Alwin,

 

Yes, I would be happy to. I will forward it in the next day or two. Keep in

mind that I teach herbs, so my list is geared toward that, and I also warn

the members that my list is accompanied by my own opinions of the books, so

I hope I don't offend anyone.

 

Most of the books on my list have been discussed in this forum.

 

Till tomorrow then.

 

Julie

 

Julie

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, Marnae Ergil wrote:

> Jim - there have been many attempts to start a teachers

association - none too successful - the last was spearheaded by

Stuart Watts - perhaps it still exists and couuld use an infusion of

new qi. >>>

 

 

 

Marnae:

 

Why do you think these associations fail?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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Now boys, don't exagerate! I was a dean and would welcome a unified teacher

association. It could only result in better communication, which in some

cases, I hate to say, was sorely lacking.

 

Julie

-

" James Ramholz " <jramholz

 

Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:30 PM

Re: More discusion on the Web

 

 

> , WMorris116@A... wrote:

> > even though a unified teacher scenario petrifies Deans.>>>

>

>

> That's a good thing isn't it?

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

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We had a teacher's meeting at the CHA conference last year. A small

beginning, and one I found fruitful.

 

 

On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 10:48 PM, Julie Chambers wrote:

 

> Now boys, don't exagerate! I was a dean and would welcome a unified

> teacher

> association. It could only result in better communication, which in

> some

> cases, I hate to say, was sorely lacking.

>

> Julie

> -

> " James Ramholz " <jramholz

>

> Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:30 PM

> Re: More discusion on the Web

>

>

>> , WMorris116@A... wrote:

>>> even though a unified teacher scenario petrifies Deans.>>>

>>

>>

>> That's a good thing isn't it?

>>

>>

>> Jim Ramholz

>>

>

>

>

>

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Ken Rose wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words. I obviously

> intend to continue to pursue certain

> points, and we'll see what forms they

> take. I don't want to dismiss out of hand

> too hastily the economic failure of the

> journal, as I believe it is a good reflection

> of the value structure of the profession. >>>

 

I think it is a mistake to think that economic failure is a good

reflection of the value structure of the profession. We can probably

go back through history and find many who attempted innovations but

died broke.

 

 

> But it also suggests that in

> the most basic way, people really aren't

> interested in this stuff.

 

Perhaps for now. You're basing an opinion on least interesting

people. In college during the 70s, I remember reading Heidegger and

deconstructionists (among others) who didn't have many readers or

were given much interest in their work. Then, twenty years later,

they became the mainstream thinkers.

 

 

> And if you believe Alon and others, yourself

> included, they are altogether corrrect

> in placing little to no value on matters

> that can be dismissed as " academic " in

> nature and of no value to the clinical

> realities of professional practice.>>>

 

It's not that I'm not interested in academic matters. My point is

that they cannot be discussed without regard to clinical

application. If they are, the classics become just another source of

high order gossip. Then the arguments assume the form of 'angels

dancing on the head of a pin.' I believe the classics were designed

to be practical, not just academic, because I can apply many of

their ideas as tools for pulse diagnosis and my own practice.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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Z'ev,

 

Here comes a string of questions:

 

Was there any minutes? Any discussion of bylaws development?...and how about

strategies for inclusion of the rest of the faculty members? And - how was the

diversity and cultural representation?

 

Will

 

> We had a teacher's meeting at the CHA conference last year. A small

> beginning, and one I found fruitful.

>

>

 

 

William R. Morris, OMD

Secretary, AAOM

Academic Dean

Emperor's College of TOM

310-453-8383

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 10/8/2003 7:19:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

kenrose2008 writes:

 

 

> What' s the change?

>

> I don't see any change. We're talking about

> the same range of topics now that we have

> been throughout the three years that I've

> been taking part, at least.

>

> I was just thinking this morning what a

> wonderful resource this list is, and it

> seems to me that it is more or less its

> current constitution that makes it so

 

Ken - the change is from a narrow topical focus of herbs to a wide range of

philosophical, diagnostic, and other issues not limited by the moniker 'herbs.'

 

Best regards - Will

 

 

 

 

William R. Morris, OMD

Secretary, AAOM

Academic Dean

Emperor's College of TOM

310-453-8383

 

 

 

 

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Marnae -

 

It's good to know why things fail. I know Stuart was very dissapointed about

his teacher organization and the lack of support coming fom the Council of

Colleges. But - the groundwork is there. An infusion of Qi and cash might do the

trick.

 

Will

 

 

>

> Several reasons why they fail -

>

> There is often a misconception about them - that they are a union

> and this makes some of the schools uncomfortable

>

> The meetings are usually held in conjunction with the national

> meetings - and unfortunately not a lot of teachers get to attend those -

> because they are teaching.

>

> Financial support - needs to come from somewhere - both for

> faculty to attend them and for the organization to continue to exist.

>

> Faculty are busy. They are not always sure what such an

> association is really for and is this how they want to spend their time?

>

> I attending a few meetings - one was very good - a discussion of

> textbooks - the others did not seem to have a clear focus.

>

> The organization Stuart started I believe still exists. Perhaps

> with new members/new blood it could be rejuvenated. It takes qi!

>

 

 

William R. Morris, OMD

Secretary, AAOM

Academic Dean

Emperor's College of TOM

310-453-8383

 

 

 

 

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A school representative at a national meeting would be good. We can get space

at no cost. If the Colleges funded this representative it becomes possible.

That's a big if; it is where the problems occurred in Stuart's program. Another

issue for this type of program is the faculty governance structures that

would dutifully elect a representative are missing in many institutions.

 

Will

 

 

 

> Agreed! Not just ACAOM but also the schools need to support it - faculty

> need to be given the time to attend the conferences (perhaps even have some

> money to attend from their institution) and support in covering their

> classes etc. Perhaps a set up where there was a least one representative

> from each school who attended and reported back?

 

 

William R. Morris, OMD

Secretary, AAOM

Academic Dean

Emperor's College of TOM

310-453-8383

 

 

 

 

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