doctorate gossip

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However, in CA, a recent law change allows us to use herbs to treat illness, not just as dietary supplements. Herb store clerks and HHP's cannot claim to treat illness with herbs.>>>Todd I do not think the wording is treat disease. That would require FDA approval for each treatment

Alon

 

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Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:14 PM

Re: doctorate gossip

, "Alon Marcus" <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> An obviously bogus argument (NCCAOM's, not your's). First, anyone who > takes the NCCAOM exam can practice many other places in the US. > >>>>Well in truth one does not need a license to practice "herbalogy"> AlonHowever, in CA, a recent law change allows us to use herbs to treat illness, not just as dietary supplements. Herb store clerks and HHP's cannot claim to treat illness with herbs.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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I personally would like to see less regulation and more personal responsibility. If someone wants to take a chance with their life they have the right to do so. To me this argument is more about power than protection.

Alon

 

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Monday, February 04, 2002 8:14 AM

RE: Re: doctorate gossip

 

 

 

 

 

An obviously bogus argument (NCCAOM's, not your's). First, anyone who takes the NCCAOM exam can practice many other places in the US. >>>>Well in truth one does not need a license to practice "herbalogy"

 

Alon

 

 

 

 

This is the biggest disservice to out medicine, can’t something be done about this (nationwide)- I still am completely perplexed why a acu with no herb training (in most states) can practice herbal medicine….?????????????\

-Jason-

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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Rory:

 

I thought the NCCAOM acupuncture exam also set a low standard, too---

but I took it back in 1985 when it first started. I've used exam

study books for class test questions over the years and often felt

conflicted over many of the answers to a number of the questions.

 

But at least it does set a standard, even if it is one people will

argue over. In my mind it portrays the lowest common denominator of

training offered.

 

What is the value of the herb exam if it sets a low standard and

herbology is already part of everyone's scope of practice; and

therefore unnecessary?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

 

, Rory Kerr <rorykerr@w...> wrote:

> At 5:14 AM +0000 2/4/02, 1 wrote:

> >, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

> >> An obviously bogus argument (NCCAOM's, not your's). First,

anyone who

> >> takes the NCCAOM exam can practice many other places in the US.

> >> >>>>Well in truth one does not need a license to

practice " herbalogy "

> >> Alon

> >

> >However, in CA, a recent law change allows us to use herbs to

treat

> >illness, not just as dietary supplements. Herb store clerks and

HHP's

> >cannot claim to treat illness with herbs.

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> However, the point is that in California, even though you don't

need

> a license to practice herbology, to get an acupuncture license you

> have to be examined in herbal medicine in the board exams. IMO

that

> should not be changed, as herbs are prescribed by a great majority

of

> California acupuncturists, and so the license assure the public of

> minimum proficiency in this area.

>

> Yet to have NCCAOM administer the exam for both herbs and

acupuncture

> would cost about $2000 per exam per examinee; I've also heard from

> several people who have taken NCCAOM herbal exam that it sets a

very

> low standard. We don't need to lower standards.

>

> Rory

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, Rory Kerr <rorykerr@w...> wrote:

> At 11:15 PM +0000 2/3/02, 1 wrote:

> >you should write them a rebuttal. I wonder if they will

> >print it.

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>

> I don't receive their newsletter. Does it have contact information.

>

> Rory

 

try their website at www.nccaom.org

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[Guest guest]

Here here Rory!

 

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Rory Kerr <rorykerr

 

Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:23 PM

Re: doctorate gossip

 

 

> At 3:18 PM -0800 1/31/02,

> >they want older px just to be grandfathered in as doctors. the

> >claim is that older px have done the CE and thus are actually better

> >trained than recent grads. This seems a little self serving to me.

> >Everyone knows you can spend your CE hours in the bathroom and still

> >get credit. I find many, if not most, older px to be sorely lacking

> >in every area of study. they may have the clinical experience, but

> >they do not read chinese, know only basic TCM and very little

> >western med at all.

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> I disagree with you about this. There is good precedent for

> grandfathering, for example with the pharmacists. Its really not for

> you or I to judge the quality of another's practice, or whether some

> people are more deserving than others. To the extent that there are

> incompetent practitioners out there, they'll be out there whether

> they are called doctor or not. More important is that we have a

> process that is fair, and doesn't lead to a disjointed profession. I

> believe grandfathering achieves that.

>

> I think that the arguments against grandfathering are more than a

> little self serving when they come from representatives of schools.

>

> Rory

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> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

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