Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 , WMorris116@A... wrote: - > > You should call them. I just got off the phone with the OR board and they confirmed my last post on this. If you do not have a medical license that grants the title Dr., you will lose your license if you allow yourself to be called Dr. by your patients or staff. They could care less what degrees you have. So if you are a Phd or OMD, you cannot call yourself Dr. You do not have even one chance. If they call your office phone and you are described as Dr., you lose your license automatically. And in the future, they will continue to oppose this title, regardless of what degrees are granted by the state DOE. They are under no obligation to recognize any title granted by any other state or regional or federal agency. period. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 , " 1 " <@i...> wrote: And > in the future, they will continue to oppose this title, regardless of > what degrees are granted by the state DOE. They are under no > obligation to recognize any title granted by any other state or > regional or federal agency. period. > When asked why they have this stance about our future doctorate degree, their response was simple and probably very indicative of the stance in other states that do not have a separate acupuncture board. They will not recognize a medical doctorate that is based on anything other than modern medical science (oxymoronic as the term is). We could try and convince the legislature otherwise, but it is unlikely in OR that this case could be made. So I stand by my original post; the title Dr. will probably not be legally usable in many states regardless of what degree one has. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 modern medical science >>>>DC's are medical science? Alon - 1 Friday, December 28, 2001 9:28 AM Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative , "1" <@i...> wrote: And > in the future, they will continue to oppose this title, regardless of > what degrees are granted by the state DOE. They are under no > obligation to recognize any title granted by any other state or > regional or federal agency. period.> When asked why they have this stance about our future doctorate degree, their response was simple and probably very indicative of the stance in other states that do not have a separate acupuncture board. They will not recognize a medical doctorate that is based on anything other than modern medical science (oxymoronic as the term is). We could try and convince the legislature otherwise, but it is unlikely in OR that this case could be made. So I stand by my original post; the title Dr. will probably not be legally usable in many states regardless of what degree one has.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 Of course, this stance by the Oregon board is just low-level politics, not 'protecting the public' by any means. I agree with Alon. . . ..chiropractic is 'modern medical science'? The term doctor is, as I see it, not only an academic or professional title, but a term of respect and endearment from patients. I don't use the term for myself, but if patients want to call me that, it is fine with me (as long as they know I am not an M.D.). But why should we have a title that indicates less professional training or acumen than a chiropractor? On Friday, December 28, 2001, at 11:08 AM, ALON MARCUS wrote: > modern medical science > >>>>DC's are medical science? > Alon > > - > 1 > > Friday, December 28, 2001 9:28 AM > Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative > > , " 1 " <@i...> wrote: > And > > in the future, they will continue to oppose this title, regardless of > > what degrees are granted by the state DOE. They are under no > > obligation to recognize any title granted by any other state or > > regional or federal agency. period. > > > When asked why they have this stance about our future doctorate degree, > their response was simple and probably very indicative of the stance in > other states that do not have a separate acupuncture board. They will > not recognize a medical doctorate that is based on anything other than > modern medical science (oxymoronic as the term is). We could try and > convince the legislature otherwise, but it is unlikely in OR that this > case could be made. So I stand by my original post; the title Dr. will > probably not be legally usable in many states regardless of what degree > one has. > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Of course, this stance by the Oregon board is just low-level politics, > not 'protecting the public' by any means. I agree with Alon. . . > .chiropractic is 'modern medical science'? It is not that chiropractic treatment is scientific, but that chiros are fully trained in western diagnostics (physical exam, lab tests, x- rays, physiology and anatomy). If you look at their curriculums, they have as many hours in these things as MD's do. I am not defending this position. It is a fact and nothing is going to change it (believe me, people have tried for years - an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his license over this matter). As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed. As to the ethics of this, I always correct my patients if they do this. To each their own. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 <As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed.> I believe all you say about Oregon. It all sounds so ominous. It is the first time ever that I have heard that it is illegal to address a PhD as Doctor. As far as the statement above....what's next " thought crime " Yikes, Kit At 09:12 PM 12/28/01 +0000, you wrote: , " Z'ev Rosenberg " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Of course, this stance by the Oregon board is just low-level politics, > not 'protecting the public' by any means. I agree with Alon. . . > .chiropractic is 'modern medical science'? It is not that chiropractic treatment is scientific, but that chiros are fully trained in western diagnostics (physical exam, lab tests, x- rays, physiology and anatomy). If you look at their curriculums, they have as many hours in these things as MD's do. I am not defending this position. It is a fact and nothing is going to change it (believe me, people have tried for years - an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his license over this matter). As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed. As to the ethics of this, I always correct my patients if they do this. To each their own. Sponsor Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 If they ask, I tell them to call me Z'ev. Z'ev On Friday, December 28, 2001, at 01:12 PM, 1 wrote: > > As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in > OR, so take heed. As to the ethics of this, I always correct my > patients if they do this. To each their own. > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his license over this matter).>>>>Was this in OR - 1 Friday, December 28, 2001 1:12 PM Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative , "" <zrosenbe@s...> wrote:> Of course, this stance by the Oregon board is just low-level politics, > not 'protecting the public' by any means. I agree with Alon. . . > .chiropractic is 'modern medical science'? It is not that chiropractic treatment is scientific, but that chiros are fully trained in western diagnostics (physical exam, lab tests, x-rays, physiology and anatomy). If you look at their curriculums, they have as many hours in these things as MD's do. I am not defending this position. It is a fact and nothing is going to change it (believe me, people have tried for years - an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his license over this matter).As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed. As to the ethics of this, I always correct my patients if they do this. To each their own.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 believe all you say about Oregon. It all sounds so ominous. It is the first time ever that I have heard that it is illegal to address a PhD as Doctor.As far as the statement above....what's next "thought crime">>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win Alon - Kit Friday, December 28, 2001 1:27 PM Re: Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative <As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed.> I believe all you say about Oregon. It all sounds so ominous. It is the first time ever that I have heard that it is illegal to address a PhD as Doctor.As far as the statement above....what's next "thought crime"Yikes, Kit At 09:12 PM 12/28/01 +0000, you wrote: , "" <zrosenbe@s...> wrote:> Of course, this stance by the Oregon board is just low-level politics, > not 'protecting the public' by any means. I agree with Alon. . . > .chiropractic is 'modern medical science'? It is not that chiropractic treatment is scientific, but that chiros are fully trained in western diagnostics (physical exam, lab tests, x-rays, physiology and anatomy). If you look at their curriculums, they have as many hours in these things as MD's do. I am not defending this position. It is a fact and nothing is going to change it (believe me, people have tried for years - an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his license over this matter).As to whether to let your patients call you doctor, it is a crime in OR, so take heed. As to the ethics of this, I always correct my patients if they do this. To each their own.Todd Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 I should hope so. On Friday, December 28, 2001, at 03:39 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote: > believe all you say about Oregon. It all sounds so ominous. It is the > first time ever that I have heard that it is illegal to address a PhD > as Doctor. > > As far as the statement above....what's next " thought crime " > > >>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win > Alon > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 At 3:39 PM -0800 12/28/01, ALON MARCUS wrote: >>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win -- Did Miki win his case in court, or did the board back down & settle? If he did win in court, what was the ruling based on? Rory -- Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 , " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his > license over this matter). > > >>>>Was this in OR Yes,this post was about OR law. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 , " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > > >>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win > Alon Only if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court. Otherwise it is a law passed by the legislature, enforced by the board. States have a lot of leeway when it comes to protecting the public, so I doubt this law would be overturned. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 Did Miki win his case in court >>>They backed out. And allowed him to keep the OMD\ Alon - Rory Kerr Friday, December 28, 2001 6:44 PM Re: Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative At 3:39 PM -0800 12/28/01, ALON MARCUS wrote: >>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win -- Did Miki win his case in court, or did the board back down & settle? If he did win in court, what was the ruling based on? Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 Yes,this post was about OR law >>>Well with Liza having so much power I am not surprised Alon - 1 Friday, December 28, 2001 8:22 PM Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative , "ALON MARCUS" <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> an L.Ac of 17 years recently lost his > license over this matter).> > >>>>Was this in ORYes,this post was about OR law.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Posted December 28, 2001 Otherwise it is a law passed by the legislature >>It is not the law in CA. Also the letters from the CA board stated that you can have Dr in front of your name only if you make it clear that it is a DOM or OMD and LAc. The whole thing was about letter heads, card and advertising. I thing we may have a different board now that has no idea of the past. Nothing new here Alon Alon - 1 Friday, December 28, 2001 8:26 PM Re: dr. title/was oriental pejorative , "ALON MARCUS" <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> > >>>>I will bat you that if this goes to court the PhD or OMD will win> AlonOnly if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court. Otherwise it is a law passed by the legislature, enforced by the board. States have a lot of leeway when it comes to protecting the public, so I doubt this law would be overturned. ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Posted December 29, 2001 At 10:47 PM -0600 12/28/01, Ruth Goldenberg wrote: >Did Miki win his case in court > >>>They backed out. And allowed him to keep the OMD\ -- So unfortunately we have no legal precedent. Rory -- Quote
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