study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

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Interesting:

 

http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

 

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Inflammation is the new fad.

 

 

 

 

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" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

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Thanks for posting that article! Inflammation seems very pertinent to

understanding depression (and a whole host of other inflammatory illnesses).

Inflammation and an overactive immune system has been associated with depression

for many years now - the rise in IL-6 must relate to why folks with chronic

severe depression often show shrinking of the hippocampus and a disruption in

the hpa axia and the cortisol response.

 

For too long depression has been seen as a weakness of the individual and not as

a 'real' disease that is important to treat. Hopefully articles like this will

move us closer to understanding how to treat and cure debilitating depression.

 

Thanks again!

 

p.s. : " Mercurius Trismegistus " : What is up with your dismissive 'fad'

comment? Do you believe inflammation is not worthy of addressing in general?

That it is not a real condition? T

 

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Inflamation is the result of vaccine dys regulating the immune system. The

control of inflamation is the bodys balance at staying alive. The immune system

and the genetic expression of disease is the western way to understand all

imbalances.Unfortunately they make the imbalance by dys regulating the immune

response, increaing Th2 from Th1 balance and in turn upregulate the inflamation

response which is how the body responds to pathogens.................The lose of

control and focus the dys regulation of the immune resonse and the system

results in genetic expression of the disease, dis ease as we were never

gentically selected for through natural evolution. The vacine is UNNATURAL in

every way and dysregulates the immune system and therefore the inflamatory

response, A healthy immune system is TH1 or cell mediated in focus. Bypassing

the nautral route of exposure to pathogens (via injection) and with unnatural

pathoges/antigens has actually applied an UNNATURAL genetic selction for a now

mounting dys regulatation of the organisms ability to live. I would

say inflamation is not the " new " fad, but rather the BIG one that is dictating

all disease expresseion in our dysregulated state, UNNATURAL dysregulation that

has been UNNATURAL genetic expression.

 

You can trace this cytokine profile to the immune system dysregulation and quess

what is the most likely affector?

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

magisterium_magnum

Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:12:31 -0700

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

Inflammation is the new fad.

 

-

" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

> Interesting:

>

> http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

>

> --

>

> Five Seasons Women's Wellness

> 840 Lawrence Street

> Eugene, OR 97401

> www.FiveSeasonsWellness.com

> (541) 515-6446

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting--so how do antibiotics play into this?

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan

<coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

>

> Inflamation is the result of vaccine dys regulating the immune system. The

control of inflamation is the bodys balance at staying alive. The immune system

and the genetic expression of disease is the western way to understand all

imbalances.Unfortunately they make the imbalance by dys regulating the immune

response, increaing Th2 from Th1 balance and in turn upregulate the inflamation

response which is how the body responds to pathogens.................The lose of

control and focus the dys regulation of the immune resonse and the system

results in genetic expression of the disease, dis ease as we were never

gentically selected for through natural evolution. The vacine is UNNATURAL in

every way and dysregulates the immune system and therefore the inflamatory

response, A healthy immune system is TH1 or cell mediated in focus. Bypassing

the nautral route of exposure to pathogens (via injection) and with unnatural

pathoges/antigens has actually applied an UNNATURAL genetic selction for a now

mounting dys regulatation of the organisms ability to live. I would

say inflamation is not the " new " fad, but rather the BIG one that is dictating

all disease expresseion in our dysregulated state, UNNATURAL dysregulation that

has been UNNATURAL genetic expression.

>

> You can trace this cytokine profile to the immune system dysregulation and

quess what is the most likely affector?

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> magisterium_magnum

> Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:12:31 -0700

> Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

>

>

>

> Inflammation is the new fad.

>

> -

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

> study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

> >

> > --

> >

> > Five Seasons Women's Wellness

> > 840 Lawrence Street

> > Eugene, OR 97401

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> > (541) 515-6446

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

anything that can affect gene coding can dys regulate the immune system many

drugs are able to dysregulate the inflamatory response.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

heylaurag

Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:48:24 +0000

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting--so how do antibiotics play into this?

 

Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan

<coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

>

> Inflamation is the result of vaccine dys regulating the immune system. The

control of inflamation is the bodys balance at staying alive. The immune system

and the genetic expression of disease is the western way to understand all

imbalances.Unfortunately they make the imbalance by dys regulating the immune

response, increaing Th2 from Th1 balance and in turn upregulate the inflamation

response which is how the body responds to pathogens.................The lose of

control and focus the dys regulation of the immune resonse and the system

results in genetic expression of the disease, dis ease as we were never

gentically selected for through natural evolution. The vacine is UNNATURAL in

every way and dysregulates the immune system and therefore the inflamatory

response, A healthy immune system is TH1 or cell mediated in focus. Bypassing

the nautral route of exposure to pathogens (via injection) and with unnatural

pathoges/antigens has actually applied an UNNATURAL genetic selction for a now

mounting dys regulatation of the organisms ability to live. I would say

inflamation is not the " new " fad, but rather the BIG one that is dictating all

disease expresseion in our dysregulated state, UNNATURAL dysregulation that has

been UNNATURAL genetic expression.

>

> You can trace this cytokine profile to the immune system dysregulation and

quess what is the most likely affector?

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> magisterium_magnum

> Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:12:31 -0700

> Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

>

>

>

> Inflammation is the new fad.

>

> -

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

> study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

> >

> > --

> >

> > Five Seasons Women's Wellness

> > 840 Lawrence Street

> > Eugene, OR 97401

> > www.FiveSeasonsWellness.com

> > (541) 515-6446

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Great for us because we have terms like heat, fire, phlegm fire, false heat, yin

def. and heat rising, if you watch Tran Viet Dzung treat mental disease he does

a lot of yang meridian threadin techniques on the head to irrigate the brain, as

in the yang channels carry water thru yang parts of the body, inflammation

allows me to communicate with other medical professionals, hot flashes=

inflammation, use anti-inflammatory herbs or acup. red skin rashes =

heat=inflammation = use detoxifying heat clearing herbs that work on the skin

level...HBP = liver/vessel inflammation= heat, I've seen research that shows

drug addiction as inflammation of brain tissues- there is scientific proof of

the existence of kidney yin def...Of course xs/def. heat are different but

that's where we can treat things doctors can't with simple " anti-inflammatory "

drugs, we have various specific categories and and types of inflammation and

methods to treat each.

 

Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum wrote:

>

> Inflammation is the new fad.

>

>

>

>

> -

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

> study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

> >

> > --

> >

> > Five Seasons Women's Wellness

> > 840 Lawrence Street

> > Eugene, OR 97401

> > www.FiveSeasonsWellness.com

> > (541) 515-6446

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Very well put!

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom " <jasonwcom

wrote:

>

> Great for us because we have terms like heat, fire, phlegm fire, false heat,

yin def. and heat rising, if you watch Tran Viet Dzung treat mental disease he

does a lot of yang meridian threadin techniques on the head to irrigate the

brain, as in the yang channels carry water thru yang parts of the body,

inflammation allows me to communicate with other medical professionals, hot

flashes= inflammation, use anti-inflammatory herbs or acup. red skin rashes =

heat=inflammation = use detoxifying heat clearing herbs that work on the skin

level...HBP = liver/vessel inflammation= heat, I've seen research that shows

drug addiction as inflammation of brain tissues- there is scientific proof of

the existence of kidney yin def...Of course xs/def. heat are different but

that's where we can treat things doctors can't with simple " anti-inflammatory "

drugs, we have various specific categories and and types of inflammation and

methods to treat each.

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum@> wrote:

> >

> > Inflammation is the new fad.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel@>

> > <Chinese Medicine >

> > Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:37 AM

> > study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

> >

> >

> > > Interesting:

> > >

> > > http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/329/1

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > Five Seasons Women's Wellness

> > > 840 Lawrence Street

> > > Eugene, OR 97401

> > > www.FiveSeasonsWellness.com

> > > (541) 515-6446

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

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> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

If you study Oriental medicine there are heat patterns and cold patterns,

explained in the nei jing is that the five negative emotional polarities deplete

the yin of the organs, which leads to a general state of yin deficiency thus

heat ie inflammation, in this case inflammation is correct and in many other

(all heat pattern whether def. heat or true heat)diseases. Clinically I treat a

lot of adrenal fatigue and blood def. patterns with depression which are a cold

patterns, you sometimes need to treat the yang and yin to treat depression.

Most sick people have a complex hot/cold pattern, look at the formula er xian

tang...

-JB

 

Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum wrote:

>

> Blaming everything on " inflammation, " doesn't make it so.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Blaming everything on " inflammation, " doesn't make it so.

 

 

 

 

 

-

" heylaurag " <heylaurag

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:21 PM

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

> Very well put!

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom "

> <jasonwcom wrote:

>>

>> Great for us because we have terms like heat, fire, phlegm fire, false

>> heat, yin def. and heat rising, if you watch Tran Viet Dzung treat mental

>> disease he does a lot of yang meridian threadin techniques on the head to

>> irrigate the brain, as in the yang channels carry water thru yang parts

>> of the body, inflammation allows me to communicate with other medical

>> professionals, hot flashes= inflammation, use anti-inflammatory herbs or

>> acup. red skin rashes = heat=inflammation = use detoxifying heat clearing

>> herbs that work on the skin level...HBP = liver/vessel inflammation=

>> heat, I've seen research that shows drug addiction as inflammation of

>> brain tissues- there is scientific proof of the existence of kidney yin

>> def...Of course xs/def. heat are different but that's where we can treat

>> things doctors can't with simple " anti-inflammatory " drugs, we have

>> various specific categories and and types of inflammation and methods to

>> treat each.

>>

>> Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius

>> Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum@> wrote:

>> >

>> > Inflammation is the new fad.

[Guest guest]

vacines are the target of most recent work in pharmaceuticals, soon we will have

another batch of vacines that will be considered for manditory status (think how

things went recently with the push for young women to get the HPV shot).

 

Good chances the vacine fad of the last 100 years will be ancient Rome's lead

cookwear for our society.

 

The shear number of westerners on antidepressants makes me nervous. (vacines =

inflammation = depression?)

 

Mark Zaranski

 

Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom " <jasonwcom

wrote:

>

> If you study Oriental medicine there are heat patterns and cold patterns,

explained in the nei jing is that the five negative emotional polarities deplete

the yin of the organs, which leads to a general state of yin deficiency thus

heat ie inflammation, in this case inflammation is correct and in many other

(all heat pattern whether def. heat or true heat)diseases. Clinically I treat a

lot of adrenal fatigue and blood def. patterns with depression which are a cold

patterns, you sometimes need to treat the yang and yin to treat depression.

Most sick people have a complex hot/cold pattern, look at the formula er xian

tang...

> -JB

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum@> wrote:

> >

> > Blaming everything on " inflammation, " doesn't make it so.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vaccine are responsible for dys regulation of the immune system and then the

genetic expression of disease, inflammation is now dys regulated and the many

ways that the immune system has been dismantled from an unnatural immune

challenge, presented in an unnatural route is no more a natural reflection of

the immune challenges an organism is subjected to than the now abnormal genetic

disease and disease expression that we see in the health deconstructed victims

of vaccination. Most of the {modern } disease can be traced back to the

corruption of the evolved immune system, you know the one that natural selection

and intelligent design brought forth up until 300 years ago when the

unintelligent intrusion started making VACCINE DISEASE that is now showing up

more and more frequently as genetic disease. None of this is natural, it is man

made. It is an abomination from which more and more genetic engineering and

distortion of the species will result. The medical hubris of vaccines, the

collateral damage and the unintended consequences.....could we expect less when

none of them know the effects of what they are doing, have been doing? If they

still don't get it that antibody is not synonymous with immunity and that

vaccination does not mean immunization....as a species we only have further to

fall.

 

TCM can help treat disease but can it really affect it at the gene level? We can

for sure redirect heat in the body but if the source is a dys regulated immune

system, gene corrupted and now on the genome, can we repair the genetic disease

of vacination?

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

zaranski

Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:44:54 +0000

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

vacines are the target of most recent work in pharmaceuticals, soon we will have

another batch of vacines that will be considered for manditory status (think how

things went recently with the push for young women to get the HPV shot).

 

Good chances the vacine fad of the last 100 years will be ancient Rome's lead

cookwear for our society.

 

The shear number of westerners on antidepressants makes me nervous. (vacines =

inflammation = depression?)

 

Mark Zaranski

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

One major source of inflammation is infected teeth. What better way to feed

infection and inflammation into the brain than a " hidden " infection in the

mouth. Dental prtactices as we know it are as destructive and illogical (and

criminal in my opinion) as the vaccination madness produced and highly promoted

by Big Pharma.

The nerve toxin, mercury, that has been placed in millions of mouths leeches

into tissues with a particular affinity to brain tissue. As if that wasn't bad

enough, current forms of killing the bacteria in your tooth are ineffectual,

hence the infection is temporarily reduced but not fully destroyed. The

infection over time gains strength and eventually can kill the tooth,

surrounding bone and enter the blood stream.

Heavy metals suppress the immune system and can promote chronic viral, bacterial

and fungal infections. The infection and metal toxicity become a time bomb of

health destruction. As wonderful as TCM is at addressing mental-emotional

issues, I would be sure not to overlook dental health. If the mouth is toxin

free the treatment response will likely be far superior. I as well as many

others have experienced the nearly instantaneous shift in health from removing a

dead, metal filled tooth. Finding a top quality biological dentist is not an

easy feat and can be very expensive, but to fully resolve many conditions and

treat the root of inflammation and toxicity, dental health must be addressed.

[Guest guest]

Mercurius:

 

you said it. i can't tell you how many patients i have telling me there

prob is due to inflam. half the time i don't even know what they are

talking about. i'm not sure that they do either. it's like poor

circulation: its a buzz word that's so vague you can apply it to almost

anything. lately i find when i'm explaining tcm damp or xue yu to them, i

just throw in poor circulation or inflammation, and all of the sudden they

start nodding their heads as if it now all makes perfect sense to them. i'm

really not sure what those words really mean to them, other than it's a

bandaid explanation to their prob.

 

kath

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum wrote:

 

>

>

> Inflammation is the new fad.

>

>

> -

> _

>

 

 

 

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Perform all that is good.

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[Guest guest]

patricia:

 

interesting post, but what is the TCM explanation for how vaccines produce

Damp?

 

kaTH

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> Inflamation is the result of vaccine dys regulating the immune system. The

> control of inflamation is the bodys balance at staying alive. The immune

> system and the genetic expression of disease is the western way to

> understand all imbalances.Unfortunately they make the imbalance by dys

> regulating the immune response, increaing Th2 from Th1 balance and in turn

> upregulate the inflamation response which is how the body responds to

> pathogens.................The lose of control and focus the dys regulation

> of the immune resonse and the system results in genetic expression of the

> disease, dis ease as we were never gentically selected for through natural

> evolution. The vacine is UNNATURAL in every way and dysregulates the immune

> system and therefore the inflamatory response, A healthy immune system is

> TH1 or cell mediated in focus. Bypassing the nautral route of exposure to

> pathogens (via injection) and with unnatural pathoges/antigens has actually

> applied an UNNATURAL genetic selction for a now mounting dys regulatation of

> the organisms ability to live. I would say inflamation is not

> the " new " fad, but rather the BIG one that is dictating all disease

> expresseion in our dysregulated state, UNNATURAL dysregulation that has been

> UNNATURAL genetic expression.

>

> You can trace this cytokine profile to the immune system dysregulation and

> quess what is the most likely affector?

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> magisterium_magnum

> Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:12:31 -0700

> Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

>

>

>

> I

>

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Follow Your Bliss!

Joseph Campbel

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

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[Guest guest]

so how are vaccines affecting DNA/RNA (gene coding).

 

k

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> anything that can affect gene coding can dys regulate the immune system

> many drugs are able to dysregulate the inflamatory response.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Xie refers to the vaccines causing Blood Deficiency and Liver Yin

defeciency.......which make sense since the actual liver has to deal with all

the Ig complexes and immunoglobulin's all the toxic junk produced, mediators of

inflammation etcetcetc

 

Sometimes a loss of control for the immune response, the inflamatory response

can be cold and so I do not think the TCM is unable to work with this

information

 

 

 

Vaccines are mutating our DNA and there are so many ways for the individual to

become immune dys regulated from vaccines and vaccine components...it is simply

too complex to cover every case. I fairly easily now see the pathway to the

disease state from immunopathology and immune system dys regulation, the

inflammatory response being dys regulated..........so heat for sure, damp heat

for sure but everyone has different pathology and different compensation and

different nutrition and different support systems, stress levels etc etc etc.

However, we just must not forget the onset of the damage is so far reaching in

as vaccine damage is cumulative.Additional vacines at that point will induce

brsiker tempo of the diseae process (immune dys regulation) the body uses up

mucho resources to try and deal with the vaccine damage and confine to the level

of tissue pathology but soon, organs will fail adrenals will be exhausted and

then gone, kidneys and liver are damaged from the immuno complexes, viruses can

activate 30-40 years later in humans....i was told by another member that

Jeffrey Yuen explained the labor of the body trying to hold the damage down.

 

 

 

DNA repair is done at a furious rate to repair the gene damage but eventually

this gets so far out of balance we see greater disease. Autoimmune disease in

one generation makes genetic disease in the next and this is our jing essence

.....I am presenting a paper and poster session of this next weekend, we have to

realize this abuse has been going on for 300 years now and is accumulating in

the animals and the humans. Different in the animals, faster as they are heavily

over vaccinated and do not have the protection of the sex hormones due to

spaying and neutering. The proof I found is that the entire way the immune

system develops and " genetic susceptibility develops " is.....based on the

pathogens or immune challenges it gets faced with. 300 years ago a very

unintelligent intrusion fell on the intelligent design, abnormal pathogens

injected which is abnormal to the regulation of the immune system has dys

regulated the immune system and all of its cascade of regulatory control

mechanisms are being picked off one by one. Children vaccinated with

interleukins they didn't have a clue what they would do as components of

vaccines, are now generating children without interleukin!

 

 

 

I am writing an article for our professional TCVM journal on this topic and

want to share with you an important piece of intelligence from TCM, they had

actually 500 years before Jenner, tried variolation, small pox snuff blown up

the nose of people in order to try and " vaccinate " ......they found the

procedure dangerous, sometimes lethal and not helpful for the patient and so

THEY DISCONTINUED vaccination......we need to embrace the intelligence of TCM

and handle the rebalancing of the patient using food and herbs, stress control

and then the energetics i am happy to say is also possible as the pineal gland

is a transducer for the body and can help repair DNA from energetic modalities

of many types including herbs, Tui na, Tai Chi, Qi gong and acupuncture. Our

deal is to inform the public before they become so depleted that they can not be

recovered without light workers whom channel miracles. There is a point beyond

which all we can do is palliate and supress. TCM is perfect as is homoepathy to

energetically aid the genetic repair and of course, diet, optimal nutrition, all

that clean air claen food sunshine, clean water and unconditional love still

needed.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acukath

Sat, 3 Apr 2010 08:44:02 -0400

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

patricia:

 

interesting post, but what is the TCM explanation for how vaccines produce

Damp?

 

kaTH

 

 

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There are hundreds of ways not the least of which is aluminum and mercury both

and when together synergistic in mutating genes, destroying amino acid

sequences. fouling the pathogens presented to dendritic cells making rogue

dendritic cells, even they are responsible for the MHC and HLA that reflect the

immune challenges we are exposed to. Anything that can effect gen coding is able

to effect genetic expression of disease, viral antigens, microbial antigens all

cause autoimmune disease they are causing increase in autoantibody, cross

reactivity, molecular mimicry and the pint mutations are now being GSS gene

selective slicing and point mutations all leading to autoimmune disease and

eventually cancer, the viruses the toxic contamination of viruses, Herpes 1 & 2

and SV 40 and cytomegalo viruses all were administered to us in vaccines, the

children's vaccines have pig viruses, simian retro viruses, chicken leucosis

viruses and all of those viruses, they never even knew were there as the jabs

took place. ALl of the viruses are never dead or attentuated from becoming

capable of reassortment, recombination and generating super antigens and dealing

a cytokine up regulation for extreme reactivity. To match what happened in any

one patient you actually have to admit the possiblity was there to mutaate

genes. Dr. Harris COulter had found a paper in 1996 from Italy where they linked

biomarkers to prove the CNS, Nerulogical and GI bowel pathology was directly

from vaccines...he is a genius and put me on the tract to find this information.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acukath

Sat, 3 Apr 2010 08:46:27 -0400

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

so how are vaccines affecting DNA/RNA (gene coding).

 

k

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> anything that can affect gene coding can dys regulate the immune system

> many drugs are able to dysregulate the inflamatory response.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> --

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Follow Your Bliss!

Joseph Campbel

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Xie refers to the vaccines causing Blood Deficiency and Liver Yin

> defeciency

 

Is this just for animals, or for humans as well?

What signs/symptoms for Blood Def. and Liver Yin Def. are caused by the

vaccines? How did Dr. Xie determine that the vaccines are causing Blood Def.

and Liver Yin Def.?

 

All of my dogs come fully vaccinated via rescue groups, (but then only get 3

year rabies vax), but I'm not aware of having seen the vaccines causing any

problems over the years. (I did just lose a puppy to parvo, though, a few

days after I adopted her.) I'd be interested in finding out more about what

I might be missing.

 

Jeri

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " zedbowls " <zaranski

wrote:

>

> vacines are the target of most recent work in pharmaceuticals, soon we will

have another batch of vacines that will be considered for manditory status

(think how things went recently with the push for young women to get the HPV

shot).

>

> Good chances the vacine fad of the last 100 years will be ancient Rome's lead

cookwear for our society.

>

>

That takes us back to zhu sha with the mercury preservative in vaccines...10

Chinese emporers died from zhu sha immortality pills, Chinese practiced

foot-binding not everything is good over there, however if you can turn murcuric

sulfate in to oxide(or the other way around?) it can be used as medicine when

properly prepared...

Anti depressants create YANG(positive mental function) at the expense of YIN(the

fuel for said functions) this is similar to COCAINE which makes one feel good

and then the yin is all dried up, except the anti-depressants do it slower...

The optimistic part of me thinks that the future anti-depressants will be like

high-tech vitamins that detox the liver instead of poison it, things ike

l-tryptophan, sam-e, B vitamins, niacin, except the pharm. industry can spend

their profits on research tweaking them to make them SAFER and MORE

effective...In Canada they use prescription L-tryptophan as an " ssri booster " to

lessen the side effects, they could just dopuble the L-tryptophan dose and skip

the zoloft but that's antother thing...

-JB

[Guest guest]

So do you think the pharmaceutical industry will try to patent these extracts

gotten from natural medicine? One of them has already created a prescription

drug from fish oil Omega 3s! I have severe distrust in the pharmaceutical

industry, especially since it was learned they doctored their research studies

and bribed the FDA (which isnt so hard to do-- since drug company insiders are

on the FDA board) to get them to pass regulations. Of course, then they face

class action lawsuits when consumers start getting sick or dying from these

drugs.

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine , " "

wrote:

>

> Mercurius:

>

> you said it. i can't tell you how many patients i have telling me there

> prob is due to inflam. half the time i don't even know what they are

> talking about. i'm not sure that they do either. it's like poor

> circulation: its a buzz word that's so vague you can apply it to almost

> anything. lately i find when i'm explaining tcm damp or xue yu to them, i

> just throw in poor circulation or inflammation, and all of the sudden they

> start nodding their heads as if it now all makes perfect sense to them. i'm

> really not sure what those words really mean to them, other than it's a

> bandaid explanation to their prob.

>

> kath

 

If they have qi or blood or damp stagnation or poor ming men fire circulation

they are correct in saying they have poor circulation, if they have tcm " heat "

then they are correct in saying they have inflammation, these terms are only a

little bit more vague than tcm ones, if you want to speak on their level, if

they have damp you can say " you have problems with " water metabolism " in your,

intestines, muscle layer, aching head, ankles etc...Phlegm you can say " food

residue toxin " if its in the digestive, " toxic residue in the body " if its in

the head or systemic or if its in the lungs simply " phlegm " ...Throwing " poor

circulation " and inflammation " into conversation with patients and not meaning

or understanding what you are saying makes us as acupuncturists look stupid and

flaky, please treat patients with respect and as if they are intelligent. If you

can't explain a tcm term to them, you can just say this is known emipircally to

work for this condition I can't explain why, but it should work if applied

according to traditional method " , if you can't understand a high-tech Western

diagnosis(neither can the MD that made the diagnosis oftentimes, or if they do

understand it they have no good treatment option) you can say " I'm going to

treat you according to the traditional pattern and the condition should improve

some " Honesty is the best policy.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that l tryptophan is not absorbed orally, or useful in that

form, as it is only a precursor and needs to be further bound and converted in

CSF... Has this been further delineated since my days of neuroscience?

 

Robin Valentine, VMD

 

 

jasonwcom <jasonwcom

Monday, April 05, 2010 1:36 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " zedbowls " <zaranski@..>

wrote:

>

> vacines are the target of most recent work in pharmaceuticals, soon we will

have another batch of vacines that will be considered for manditory status

(think how things went recently with the push for young women to get the HPV

shot).

>

> Good chances the vacine fad of the last 100 years will be ancient Rome's lead

cookwear for our society.

>

>

That takes us back to zhu sha with the mercury preservative in vaccines...10

Chinese emporers died from zhu sha immortality pills, Chinese practiced

foot-binding not everything is good over there, however if you can turn murcuric

sulfate in to oxide(or the other way around?) it can be used as medicine when

properly prepared...

Anti depressants create YANG(positive mental function) at the expense of

YIN(the fuel for said functions) this is similar to COCAINE which makes one feel

good and then the yin is all dried up, except the anti-depressants do it

slower...

The optimistic part of me thinks that the future anti-depressants will be like

high-tech vitamins that detox the liver instead of poison it, things ike

l-tryptophan, sam-e, B vitamins, niacin, except the pharm. industry can spend

their profits on research tweaking them to make them SAFER and MORE

effective...In Canada they use prescription L-tryptophan as an " ssri booster " to

lessen the side effects, they could just dopuble the L-tryptophan dose and skip

the zoloft but that's antother thing...

-JB

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alex,

 

My question is one of basic science, not of drug companies, or government

conspiracies. If someone can show me differently than what I was taught on a

benchtop neuroscience level, I'd be glad to have a new tool that I could

confidently heal with. Just believing in something doesn't always make it work.

 

Anyway- I'm still interested.

 

Robin Valentine, VMD PA

 

 

alex starseeker <moody1515

Monday, April 05, 2010 1:52 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

So do you think the pharmaceutical industry will try to patent these extracts

gotten from natural medicine? One of them has already created a prescription

drug from fish oil Omega 3s! I have severe distrust in the pharmaceutical

industry, especially since it was learned they doctored their research studies

and bribed the FDA (which isnt so hard to do-- since drug company insiders are

on the FDA board) to get them to pass regulations. Of course, then they face

class action lawsuits when consumers start getting sick or dying from these

drugs.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In Canada the brand name is " tryptan " , try 2000mg with some b6 you will sleep

like a baby...I think you are think of seretonin which requires an mao inhibitor

to pass the blood brain barrier if taken orally.

 

Chinese Medicine , rcvvmd <RCVVMD wrote:

>

> My understanding is that l tryptophan is not absorbed orally, or useful in

that form, as it is only a precursor and needs to be further bound and converted

in CSF... Has this been further delineated since my days of neuroscience?

>

> Robin Valentine, VMD

>

>

>