Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Posted November 22, 2005 Hey Mitsy, First .. we really need to take the term " FO " out of the subject line because (1) who cares if an FO is cut? And .. (2) who knows what is or should be in the damn thing in the second place? Fragrance oils are not natural so there is no standard for them .. accordingly, there is no way to adulterate them. Producers of FO have lobbied .. and won the right to not list their ingredients .. they are considered " trade secrets. " Dealing with pure, natural Essential Oils is a different matter .. and that is what I am discussing below. > This might be strictly rhetorical but is there any way I can tell > whether an EO or an FO has been cut and diluted? I've found suppliers > here and there selling both for very low prices and who claim their > product is " uncut " . First .. you gotta getta handle on what they are selling. They might be selling adulterated oils .. or might be selling pure, mediocre quality oils .. or what is commonly called Commercial Grade .. which means: (1) An oil that is pure but doesn't make the quality cut so it can't really be called Aromatherapy Grade .. the cut being .. the range or percentage of chemical constituents does not fit into the footprint or profile of what smart but fallible experts call the optimum range .. or (2) An oil that has been manipulated (either surreptitiously or based on specific requirements by a customer) .. but its no longer natural. > Is there any way I can tell for sure? TIA. IF the seller offers an analysis .. and IF .. the analysis actually represents the same oil being offered .. and IF .. you know what the analysis should have on it .. then you can " generally " be sure. IF ALL the previous doesn't go down then you can't be sure. Then the closest you can come to being sure is to develop your own olfactory capability to a point that you can detect an obvious deviation .. but in the meantime, you have to trust some of the folks who you think are trustworthy .. or who will fulfill some or all of the above requirements or who have been in the business long enough to have been able to hone their olfactory capabilities and who are not going to destroy their credibility by talking a talk and not walking the walk. Folks who continuously live on the edge of credibility have to have all the luck in the world .. if not, you can bet your bippy that they'll fall off the edge in time. In this business .. one Aw Shit can wipe our ten Attaboys .. so we have to stay on our toes and keep our nose to the grindstone and do all we can to avoid even one Aw Shit! Look at it like this. Me and Chris and Marge and Marcia and Elizabeth and all the many other folks who sell oils .. on this list .. as a full time business .. not as an expensive hobby .. are: (1) Either honest or dishonest. If we are honest we will do our very best to ensure that any oil we offer is pure and high quality. If we are dishonest then you are buying from very experienced dishonest folks and its likely you'll never know whether the oil is pure or not. BUT in time .. folks who are honest and experienced will catch the dishonest folks with their pants down and will show them to be frauds by the nature of our responses to their claims. (2) Either smart or stupid. If we are smart we'll do our very best to ensure that the oils we sink our money in are the best we can find .. and the purity and quality is to our satisfaction, and we are not going to risk losing ALL of the business and personal credibility we have built up over a long period of time in order to make an extra buck or two .. one does NOT sit down at a poker table with $1,000 in their pocket when the other players have but $50 to play with and/or lose. If we are stupid then we won't be able to continue to BS all the folks all the time and we'll fall on our butts at some point or another. If you hang around the industry long enough you'll be able to detect the BS when someone tries to throw it. There are many wild claims thrown around by folks who don't know what they are selling .. folks who are regurgitating the Bovine Excrement fed to them by their sources who are just as ignorant (or perhaps smart .. but very crooked and charismatic) as they are. I'm a SCUBA Diver and Parachutist and Combat Veteran and ex-Cop and a few other things. If somebody who has not really been personally involved in these activities tries to tell of their personal experiences in same .. and their experiences are based on having been told or having read about these activities .. it takes me but a minute or two to find them out. This will apply to any and all skills or personal experiences any of you folks have .. nobody can BS you when they discuss an area in which you are truly experienced. So .. believe me .. those who throw the Horse Crap around can't BS us who have been in the EO business for a while. ;-) One more thing .. high price does not mean high quality .. but if the price is too low .. it means low quality. There is only so far a dealer can cut prices because the cost of quality EO is not like the cost of quality housing .. quality housing costs depend on location,. location and location .. but quality EO costs are international .. they are based on a system that is as sound and fixed as the commodities market. All the above applies to detecting quality in single source oils .. it does not apply to detecting same in blends. Except for those in the perfumery industry who have " calibrated " noses .. odds are you will not be able to detect whether or not a blend contains all pure oils. And even those in the perfumery industry (who make the big bucks using the training and experience required to do their job) disagree from time to time. They will sniff products over a period of time .. and mark their opinions .. and later get together and agree or disagree. Finally .. there is the exception to all the above. But this only applies to the gullible .. to those who lack self confidence and are lonely and need to feel that they are " in with the group " . In a way I am talking about " groupies " .. or those who follow rock bands around and hang outside the dressing room doors hoping to get a glimpse of some flame haired idiot with bones in their nose and a split tongue. But this also applies to the groupies who follow gurus like Mr. Gary Young and his bunch of less than honest .. or less than knowledgeable .. peddlers of oils in the name of religion and fantastic healing .. those who think Young Living products are the only safe and pure products on the globe because their charismatic leader .. Mr. Gary Young .. tells them so. These are the type people who followed Reverend Jim Jones to Jonestown and drank the Kool Aid .. the type who followed David Koresch into the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX. For these types of folks all the above does not apply .. for they will NEVER be able to detect whether or not they are getting a pure and quality product. But .. for them .. it doesn't matter anyway. > Mitsy Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Posted November 23, 2005 Hey Butch I was gonna reply to this but you have it covered beautifully. I dont think you spat on FO enough tho LOL. There is NO place for these man made chemical cocktails in aromatherapy, peroid. They have no therapeutic properties at all. My experience is that to be sure of EO's you need a gas chromatograph report and the knowledge to understand it. The other way as you stated is to follow your nose, pun intended, after a time one can smell the difference in the oils and the supplier! You hit that right on the head. I am pretty new to this list, OMG are you guys profilic!!! lol so I have just found out in this post that you sell oils. Question; do you ship to Australia and if so can you send me a price list. Blessings Steve , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > > Hey Mitsy, > > First .. we really need to take the term " FO " out of the subject line > because (1) who cares if an FO is cut? And .. (2) who knows what is or Quote
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