Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would entail? appreciate it, k -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Kath, Fumigate from the root fumer means smoke. It would seem that what is suggested is simply burning ai ye, or moxa on the bite site. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, wrote: fumigating with herbs? " PCOM Alumni " <alumni Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:32 PM i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would entail? appreciate it, k -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hi Kath; It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even manipulation and frequent treatments. To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up the case. Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it would refer to the steam. I'd love it if you could present your case to us. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ " " PCOM Alumni <alumni Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 fumigating with herbs? i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would entail? appreciate it, k -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 from what i'm gathering, it seems that fumigation with ai ye is an obtuse way of saying use moxa. i'm not sure why it was discribed in the book in this manner. k On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > How would " fumigatio with ai ye " differ from moxibustion? > > > http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm > Brown_recluse_spider bite (also use a lot of Echinacea and vitamin C) - > 724, > 884, 1830, 3260, 30008 > > > - > " Hugo Ramiro " <subincor <subincor%40>> > To: <Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:35 PM > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > Hi Kath; > > > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even > > manipulation and frequent treatments. > > > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up > > the case. > > > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > > would refer to the steam. > > > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > > > Hugo > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Hugo Ramiro > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > > PCOM Alumni <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu> > > > > Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > > fumigating with herbs? > > > > > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > > entail? > > > > appreciate it, > > > > k > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & > category= > > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 hugo: i'm flattered that you are interested in the case an a write up. i checked my digital camera and it's not working, not sure what the problem is. so i may not be able to provide photos. k On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi Kath; > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even manipulation > and frequent treatments. > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up > the case. > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > would refer to the steam. > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > ________________________________ > > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > PCOM Alumni <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>> > Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > fumigating with herbs? > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > entail? > > appreciate it, > > k > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 How would " fumigatio with ai ye " differ from moxibustion? http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm Brown_recluse_spider bite (also use a lot of Echinacea and vitamin C) - 724, 884, 1830, 3260, 30008 - " Hugo Ramiro " <subincor <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:35 PM Re: fumigating with herbs? > Hi Kath; > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even > manipulation and frequent treatments. > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up > the case. > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > would refer to the steam. > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > Hugo > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > " " > PCOM Alumni <alumni > Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > fumigating with herbs? > > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > entail? > > appreciate it, > > k > > -- > Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Kath, Just wondering how the patient knows that it's a brown recluse bite? 80% of these are misdiagnosed. You can only be sure if you bring in the spider for species ID. Otherwise, it can be another spider or bug. Thanks, Kokko On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM, wrote: > > > hugo: > > i'm flattered that you are interested in the case an a write up. i checked > my digital camera and it's not working, not sure what the problem is. so i > may not be able to provide photos. > > k > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor<subincor%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Kath; > > > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even > manipulation > > and frequent treatments. > > > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up > > the case. > > > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > > would refer to the steam. > > > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > > > Hugo > > > > ________________________________ > > Hugo Ramiro > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > ________________________________ > > > > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath% > 40gmail.com>> > > PCOM Alumni <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu><alumni% > 40pacificcollege.edu>> > > Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > > > > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > > fumigating with herbs? > > > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > > entail? > > > > appreciate it, > > > > k > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & > category= > > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hi Kath: I suggest the write ups and photos because you should be able to trigger and direct a dramatic healing process. Consider borrowing a friend's camera. This type of case can pay huge dividends for you in terms of reputation, as well as increasing respect for CM. Following the protocol I mention will work wonders (completely heal without sequelae or relapse) for recluse spider bites in particular, but necrotic and non-healing lesions as well. It is also the standard of care in CM for this sort of problem. Thanks, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ " " Chinese Medicine Thursday, 30 July, 2009 22:11:14 Re: fumigating with herbs? hugo: i'm flattered that you are interested in the case an a write up. i checked my digital camera and it's not working, not sure what the problem is. so i may not be able to provide photos. k On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > > > Hi Kath; > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even manipulation > and frequent treatments. > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write up > the case. > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > would refer to the steam. > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > Hugo > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>> > PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcolle ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco llege.edu> > > Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine <traditional_ chinese_medicine %40. com> > > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > fumigating with herbs? > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > entail? > > appreciate it, > > k > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 yeah, i asked her about that. she didn't see the spider. she went to the doc and the doc dx it as a brn recluse bite based on hist & presentation. she'ld been gardening, pulling weeds in some high brush. i'm tx for heat toxins due to insect bite & going with brn recluse based on docs dx. the tcm tx is not so specific to the type of insect/spider, although there does seem to be different folk remedies for diff species: bees & wasps, centipedes, spiders. . . we're of course tx the pattern, s/s. k On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51 PM, <johnkokko wrote: > > > Kath, > Just wondering how the patient knows that it's a brown recluse bite? > 80% of these are misdiagnosed. You can only be sure if you bring in the > spider for species ID. > Otherwise, it can be another spider or bug. > > Thanks, > Kokko > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM, > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > hugo: > > > > i'm flattered that you are interested in the case an a write up. i > checked > > my digital camera and it's not working, not sure what the problem is. so > i > > may not be able to provide photos. > > > > k > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor<subincor%40> > <subincor%40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kath; > > > > > > It is very important to apply acupuncture using the surround the dragon > > > technique - use at least six needles to surround the bite, staying just > > > outside of reddened skin. 1/2 cun insertion is sufficient. Even > > manipulation > > > and frequent treatments. > > > > > > To support this mainstay, use pattern diagnosis to apply regular > > > acupuncture and herbal / dietary treatment. > > > > > > I suggest you take clean, crisp photographs, detailed notes and write > up > > > the case. > > > > > > Fumigation with ai ye regards the smoke, in the case of a decoction it > > > would refer to the steam. > > > > > > I'd love it if you could present your case to us. > > > > > > Hugo > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Hugo Ramiro > > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > " " <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath% > 40gmail.com><acukath% > > 40gmail.com>> > > > PCOM Alumni <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu><alumni% > 40pacificcollege.edu><alumni% > > 40pacificcollege.edu>> > > > Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 30 July, 2009 19:32:53 > > > fumigating with herbs? > > > > > > i have a patient coming in with a brown recluse spider bite. one of the > > > derm books in my research suggests fumigating with ai ye. i'm unfamilar > > > with the term fumigate. could someone shed some lite on what that would > > > entail? > > > > > > appreciate it, > > > > > > k > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= > 0 & page=1 > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & > > category= > > > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > > > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 --Hi Kath, I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, bed sores, even eczema... The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled at the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes available. I used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not have it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get the smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take about 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Tatiana, I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say an eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a student and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for tinea (fungus)? Thank you! Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) Advanced Massage Therapy 704-578-6245 nrgcreator live long & love strong ________________________________ tgaid1 <tvgaid Chinese Medicine Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM Re: fumigating with herbs? --Hi Kath, I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, bed sores, even eczema... The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled at the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes available. I used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not have it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get the smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take about 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Hi Joey I've read about the technique in Treatment of difficult, knotty deceases (not sure about the name of the book), Fruehauf translations . I had the same concern when I had to treat 92 yo lady with bed sores. They were open, red and skin surrounding the sores was swollen. Western treatments did not help at all. I remember that it was kind of awkward to do the fumigation (it was in my patient's house). After patient jokes about smoking out the hind area I did it, worrying about adding heat to the area. After only two treatments the sores were gone. I treated dry and oozing eczema (on hands)with the same results. The book that mentioned the fumigation has translations of ancient texts with experience of old masters... Dr.Myuzitani (sorry about the spelling, have no time to check it) said that in Japan there are colleges that teach moxibustion (only) techniques for four years, and practitioners treat a wide range of condition, without exception... Go figure! Any way, use your judgement when you use moxa... In case of tinea I probably would try to use fumigation (do not forget that there are lots of smoke). But I probably add to tratment herbs and ointments... Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Tatiana, thank you for all the information, it is truly appreciated! Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) Advanced Massage Therapy 704-578-6245 nrgcreator live long & love strong ________________________________ tgaid1 <tvgaid Chinese Medicine Saturday, August 1, 2009 1:53:36 PM Re: fumigating with herbs? Hi Joey I've read about the technique in Treatment of difficult, knotty deceases (not sure about the name of the book), Fruehauf translations . I had the same concern when I had to treat 92 yo lady with bed sores. They were open, red and skin surrounding the sores was swollen. Western treatments did not help at all. I remember that it was kind of awkward to do the fumigation (it was in my patient's house). After patient jokes about smoking out the hind area I did it, worrying about adding heat to the area. After only two treatments the sores were gone. I treated dry and oozing eczema (on hands)with the same results. The book that mentioned the fumigation has translations of ancient texts with experience of old masters... Dr.Myuzitani (sorry about the spelling, have no time to check it) said that in Japan there are colleges that teach moxibustion (only) techniques for four years, and practitioners treat a wide range of condition, without exception... Go figure! Any way, use your judgement when you use moxa... In case of tinea I probably would try to use fumigation (do not forget that there are lots of smoke). But I probably add to tratment herbs and ointments... Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Tatiana, What herbs did you use to fumigate the eczema with? Thanks, Mark On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:53 AM, tgaid1<tvgaid wrote: > > > Hi Joey > > I've read about the technique in Treatment of difficult, knotty deceases > (not sure about the name of the book), Fruehauf translations . I had the > same concern when I had to treat 92 yo lady with bed sores. They were open, > red and skin surrounding the sores was swollen. Western treatments did not > help at all. I remember that it was kind of awkward to do the fumigation (it > was in my patient's house). After patient jokes about smoking out the hind > area I did it, worrying about adding heat to the area. After only two > treatments the sores were gone. I treated dry and oozing eczema (on > hands)with the same results. > The book that mentioned the fumigation has translations of ancient texts > with experience of old masters... > Dr.Myuzitani (sorry about the spelling, have no time to check it) said that > in Japan there are colleges that teach moxibustion (only) techniques for > four years, and practitioners treat a wide range of condition, without > exception... Go figure! Any way, use your judgement when you use moxa... > In case of tinea I probably would try to use fumigation (do not forget that > there are lots of smoke). But I probably add to tratment herbs and > ointments... > > Tatiana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Tatiana: thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i can use. joey: in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit prior to lighting the incense. that's the best image i can supply. kath On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: > > > Tatiana, > > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say an > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a student > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for tinea > (fungus)? > > Thank you! > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > Advanced Massage Therapy > 704-578-6245 > nrgcreator <nrgcreator%40> > > live long & love strong > > ________________________________ > tgaid1 <tvgaid <tvgaid%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > > --Hi Kath, > > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, > bed sores, even eczema... > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled at > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes available. I > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not have > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get the > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take about > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... > Tatiana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Kath, thanks for the info, that does make sense, kind of. I look forward to reading your write up on this! Best of health Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) Advanced Massage Therapy 704-578-6245 nrgcreator live long & love strong --- On Fri, 8/7/09, wrote: Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? Chinese Medicine Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:34 AM Tatiana: thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i can use. joey: in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit prior to lighting the incense. that's the best image i can supply. kath On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreator >wrote: > > > Tatiana, > > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say an > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a student > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for tinea > (fungus)? > > Thank you! > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > Advanced Massage Therapy > 704-578-6245 > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > live long & love strong > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com <tvgaid%40gmail. com>> > <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > > --Hi Kath, > > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, > bed sores, even eczema... > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled at > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes available. I > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not have > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get the > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take about > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... > Tatiana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 yeah, it's a diff concept to wrap one's head around. my patient is responding well to tx. she rtn last week for a 1 week follow up. the erethema and necrosis was gone, leaving 2 - 2mm red legions at the bite site (sp10) which she reports oozes clear fluid when she changes the dressing on the topical poultice (qing dai pwd mixed with honey). i refilled the int herb rx, with modifications & lowered the dose and requested she return for follow up in 2 weeks. the rx is a modification of an rx in one of my derm books: * * *Manual of Derm, Nissy Wang* *Wu wei wiao du yin* * * *Jin yin hua 9g, pu gong ying 3.6g, zi hua di ding 3.6g, ju hua 3.6g, zi bei tian kui (hb begoniae) 3.6g* * * *Decoct, admin 4 portions throughout the day* ** i made some substitutions, based on the herbs in my clinic and other rx's i've seen: i eliminated zi bei tian kui and added zi cao, bai hua she she cao, banzhi lian amoung others. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreator wrote: > > > Kath, > > thanks for the info, that does make sense, kind of. > > I look forward to reading your write up on this! > > Best of health > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > 704-578-6245 > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator%40> > > live long & love strong > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:34 AM > > > > Tatiana: > > thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i can > > use. > > joey: > > in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the > > legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of > > incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and > > the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit > > prior to lighting the incense. > > that's the best image i can supply. > > kath > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: > > > > > > > > > Tatiana, > > > > > > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say an > > > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a > student > > > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be > > > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for > tinea > > > (fungus)? > > > > > > Thank you! > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > > 704-578-6245 > > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > > > > > live long & love strong > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com <tvgaid%40gmail. com>> > > > <Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > > > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM > > > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Hi Kath, > > > > > > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, > > > bed sores, even eczema... > > > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the > > > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled > at > > > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. > > > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if > > > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes > available. I > > > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not > have > > > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get > the > > > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take > about > > > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool > > > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... > > > Tatiana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 i mistakenly hit send instead of save on this. i wanted to add that i will give more info when the case is completed. didn't get photos due to lack of a functioning digital camera. on the 2nd visit there wasn't much to show. the original legion was an 8x11 cm area of pale red erethema with a green necrotic ctr 1x3cm. patient reported that the necrotic area had been growing noticeably daily. the bite happened about 10days prior to her first visit with me. she'd been out gardening, ripping out some poison ivy and brush. when she came in she found the bite. he family doc ID it as brn recluse, based on hist and presentation. apparently the bites are endemic this year. the legion looked grossly similar to those shown on websites. http://www.spiderbitetreatment.com/bitegallery.htm my patient's bite looked similar to 'bite photo #2' here, excepting that it was located on sp 10, the area of erethema was smaller, and the necrotic ctr was a darker, pale green. fyi: another practitioner in this area (susan paul) recommends turmeric poultice, used widely in india, and echinacea (i've heard echinacea rec'd from another practitioner who has also tx this). kath On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26 AM, wrote: > yeah, it's a diff concept to wrap one's head around. > > my patient is responding well to tx. she rtn last week for a 1 week follow > up. the erethema and necrosis was gone, leaving 2 - 2mm red legions at the > bite site (sp10) which she reports oozes clear fluid when she changes the > dressing on the topical poultice (qing dai pwd mixed with honey). i > refilled the int herb rx, with modifications & lowered the dose and > requested she return for follow up in 2 weeks. > > the rx is a modification of an rx in one of my derm books: > > * > * > > *Manual of Derm, Nissy Wang* > > *Wu wei wiao du yin* > > * * > > *Jin yin hua 9g, pu gong ying 3.6g, zi hua di ding 3.6g, ju hua 3.6g, zi > bei tian kui (hb begoniae) 3.6g* > > * * > > *Decoct, admin 4 portions throughout the day* > > > ** > > i made some substitutions, based on the herbs in my clinic and other rx's > i've seen: > > i eliminated zi bei tian kui and added zi cao, bai hua she she cao, banzhi > lian among others. > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: > >> >> >> Kath, >> >> thanks for the info, that does make sense, kind of. >> >> I look forward to reading your write up on this! >> >> Best of health >> >> >> Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) >> >> Advanced Massage Therapy >> >> 704-578-6245 >> >> nrgcreator <nrgcreator%40> >> >> live long & love strong >> >> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> >> Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? >> To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:34 AM >> >> >> >> Tatiana: >> >> thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i can >> >> use. >> >> joey: >> >> in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the >> >> legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of >> >> incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and >> >> the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit >> >> prior to lighting the incense. >> >> that's the best image i can supply. >> >> kath >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Tatiana, >> >> > >> >> > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say >> an >> >> > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a >> student >> >> > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be >> >> > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for >> tinea >> >> > (fungus)? >> >> > >> >> > Thank you! >> >> > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) >> >> > Advanced Massage Therapy >> >> > 704-578-6245 >> >> > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> >> >> > >> >> > live long & love strong >> >> > >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >> >> > tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com <tvgaid%40gmail. com>> >> >> > <Traditional_ >> Chinese_Medicine %40. com> >> >> > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM >> >> > Re: fumigating with herbs? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --Hi Kath, >> >> > >> >> > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, >> >> > bed sores, even eczema... >> >> > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the >> >> > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled >> at >> >> > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. >> >> > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially >> if >> >> > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes >> available. I >> >> > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not >> have >> >> > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get >> the >> >> > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take >> about >> >> > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa >> wool >> >> > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... >> >> > Tatiana >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 What are your thoughts on using manuka honey for the poultice base? Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) Advanced Massage Therapy 704-578-6245 nrgcreator live long & love strong --- On Tue, 8/11/09, wrote: Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:26 AM yeah, it's a diff concept to wrap one's head around. my patient is responding well to tx. she rtn last week for a 1 week follow up. the erethema and necrosis was gone, leaving 2 - 2mm red legions at the bite site (sp10) which she reports oozes clear fluid when she changes the dressing on the topical poultice (qing dai pwd mixed with honey). i refilled the int herb rx, with modifications & lowered the dose and requested she return for follow up in 2 weeks. the rx is a modification of an rx in one of my derm books: * * *Manual of Derm, Nissy Wang* *Wu wei wiao du yin* * * *Jin yin hua 9g, pu gong ying 3.6g, zi hua di ding 3.6g, ju hua 3.6g, zi bei tian kui (hb begoniae) 3.6g* * * *Decoct, admin 4 portions throughout the day* ** i made some substitutions, based on the herbs in my clinic and other rx's i've seen: i eliminated zi bei tian kui and added zi cao, bai hua she she cao, banzhi lian amoung others. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreator > wrote: > > > Kath, > > thanks for the info, that does make sense, kind of. > > I look forward to reading your write up on this! > > Best of health > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > 704-578-6245 > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > live long & love strong > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com<acukath%40gmail. com>> > wrote: > > <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>> > Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? > <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:34 AM > > > > Tatiana: > > thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i can > > use. > > joey: > > in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the > > legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of > > incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and > > the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit > > prior to lighting the incense. > > that's the best image i can supply. > > kath > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreator >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tatiana, > > > > > > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say an > > > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a > student > > > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be > > > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for > tinea > > > (fungus)? > > > > > > Thank you! > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > > 704-578-6245 > > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > > > > > live long & love strong > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com <tvgaid%40gmail. com>> > > > <Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > > > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM > > > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Hi Kath, > > > > > > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, > > > bed sores, even eczema... > > > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until the > > > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia settled > at > > > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. > > > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially if > > > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes > available. I > > > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not > have > > > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to get > the > > > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take > about > > > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa wool > > > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... > > > Tatiana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 any honey will be fine. being as the manuka has a number of beneficial properties that probably would work well. k On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: > > > What are your thoughts on using manuka honey for the poultice base? > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > Advanced Massage Therapy > 704-578-6245 > nrgcreator <nrgcreator%40> > > live long & love strong > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > yeah, it's a diff concept to wrap one's head around. > > my patient is responding well to tx. she rtn last week for a 1 week follow > up. the erethema and necrosis was gone, leaving 2 - 2mm red legions at the > bite site (sp10) which she reports oozes clear fluid when she changes the > dressing on the topical poultice (qing dai pwd mixed with honey). i > refilled the int herb rx, with modifications & lowered the dose and > requested she return for follow up in 2 weeks. > > the rx is a modification of an rx in one of my derm books: > > * > * > > *Manual of Derm, Nissy Wang* > > *Wu wei wiao du yin* > > * * > > *Jin yin hua 9g, pu gong ying 3.6g, zi hua di ding 3.6g, ju hua 3.6g, zi > bei > tian kui (hb begoniae) 3.6g* > > * * > > *Decoct, admin 4 portions throughout the day* > > ** > > i made some substitutions, based on the herbs in my clinic and other rx's > i've seen: > > i eliminated zi bei tian kui and added zi cao, bai hua she she cao, banzhi > lian amoung others. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreator > > wrote: > > > > > > > Kath, > > > > thanks for the info, that does make sense, kind of. > > > > I look forward to reading your write up on this! > > > > Best of health > > > > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > > > 704-578-6245 > > > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > > > live long & love strong > > > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, <acukath<acukath%40gmail. com>> > > wrote: > > > > <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>> > > Re: Re: fumigating with herbs? > > <Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > > Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:34 AM > > > > > > > > Tatiana: > > > > thanks for your post on fumigating, it is helpful. i have a moxa box i > can > > > > use. > > > > joey: > > > > in TCM the theory is that the fire of the moxa pulls the fire from the > > > > legion. i know it sounds counter-intuitive. think of igniting a stick of > > > > incense with a candle flame. sometimes the flame jumps to the incense and > > > > the candle flame goes out. especially if the candle flame was just lit > > > > prior to lighting the incense. > > > > that's the best image i can supply. > > > > kath > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Joey Bedrosian <nrgcreatorwrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatiana, > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if the moxa/fumigation would add additional heat to say > an > > > > > eczema condition caused by damp heat or wind heat?? I am currently a > > student > > > > > and would greatly appreciate any explanation on why this would not be > > > > > contraindicated. also, do you know if this technique could be used for > > tinea > > > > > (fungus)? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) > > > > > Advanced Massage Therapy > > > > > 704-578-6245 > > > > > nrgcreator <nrgcreator% 40> > > > > > > > > > > live long & love strong > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com <tvgaid%40gmail. com>> > > > > > <Traditional_ > > Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > > > > > Friday, July 31, 2009 3:34:36 PM > > > > > Re: fumigating with herbs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Hi Kath, > > > > > > > > > > I like fumigating technique, I often used it with unhealing ulcers, > > > > > bed sores, even eczema... > > > > > The main idea here is to smoke the skin (with wound, ulcer...) until > the > > > > > skin gets yellowish-brownish color. It is the oil from Artemisia > settled > > at > > > > > the skin, together with hit has unbelievable power to heal. > > > > > The only problem is to figure out how to do the fumigation. Especially > if > > > > > you try to do it in old patient with bed sores. There are boxes > > available. I > > > > > used small metal box with holes for the smoke to escape. If you do not > > have > > > > > it, you can make it out metal jar or can, poke holes. The idea is to > get > > the > > > > > smoke out and smoke out the area that needs to be treated. It may take > > about > > > > > 10 minutes. Be careful, patient may feel hot, do not burn. Chip moxa > wool > > > > > makes the best smoke with lots of oil in it... > > > > > Tatiana > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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