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i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj helps

reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

k

 

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Hi Kath, my take on it is that

red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

and

orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

 

I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions. Even

chemistry doesn't support the idea.

The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids contained

in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down to co2 and water

very quickly and easily.

All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got heartburn

after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes are cold and

cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach which I immediately

call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got

real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold

and easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" "

PCOM Alumni <alumni

Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj helps

reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

k

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

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hugo:

 

i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate to

me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

 

the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

 

i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

the shen.

 

i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

 

your thoughts?

 

kath

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> and

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

>

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions.

> Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

> they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down to

> co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes

> are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a burn "

> or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day

> because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering my

> already existing stomach heat " .

>

> Thanks,

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

>

> ________________________________

> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> PCOM Alumni <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> Cc: TCM List

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> helps

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

> k

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

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Hi Kath:

 

--Kath-

i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

causing stress).

---

 

This is my fault for not using CM terminology in the first place: stress = liv

qi constraint.

 

Liver Qi Constraint can lead to heat. But heat can cause Liver Qi Constraint.

Normal person + too much ginseng = Liver Qi Constraint, as an example.

 

--Kath-

i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

---

 

Again, my fault. Sugar crash = Sp Qi deficiency. Sp Qi deficiency = Liver Qi

Constraint via Earth not nourishing Wood.

 

No heat necessary in this second equation, just depletion.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" "

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 18:17:48

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

hugo:

 

i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate to

me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

 

the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

 

i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

the shen.

 

i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

 

your thoughts?

 

kath

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> and

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

>

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions.

> Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

> they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down to

> co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes

> are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a burn "

> or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day

> because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering my

> already existing stomach heat " .

>

> Thanks,

> Hugo

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>>

> PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcolle ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco llege.edu> >

> Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine <traditional_

chinese_medicine %40. com>

> >

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> helps

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

> k

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

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Hugo,

One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much acidic forming

foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as citrus may create a problem

and push them over the edge as it were. I would suggest a blending of these

theories as put forth by George Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame.

They did understand, in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many

at the Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

subincor

Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Kath, my take on it is that

 

red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

 

and

 

orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

 

 

 

I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions. Even

chemistry doesn't support the idea.

 

The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids contained

in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down to co2 and water

very quickly and easily.

 

All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got heartburn

after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes are cold and

cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach which I immediately

call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got

real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold

and easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Hugo

 

 

 

________________________________

 

Hugo Ramiro

 

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

 

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

________________________________

 

" "

 

PCOM Alumni <alumni

 

Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

 

Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

 

why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj helps

 

reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

 

group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

 

does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

 

 

k

 

 

 

--

 

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

 

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

 

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

 

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

 

 

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Hugo and Michael,

 

Isn't there some sort of connection with acidic foods - acidic PH -

and smoking which causes an increase in stomach acid as quoted below

 

" Normally, stomach acid is absorbed by the food we eat. The acid that

is not absorbed by food enters the duodenum and is quickly neutralized

by sodium bicarbonate, a salt-like substance made by the pancreas—an

organ located next to the duodenum that aids in digestion. Some

studies show that smoking reduces the amount of bicarbonate in the

body, which causes problems in the neutralization of acid in the

duodenum. Other studies suggest that cigarette smoking may increase

the amount of acid secreted by the stomach over time. "

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/smoking/

 

The things that we crave are often the things that are not conducive

for our bodies i.e... too much sweet foods and spleen xu. Henceforth,

acidic foods and smoking increase acid PH. I'm still trying to work

out how that translates into TCM terms. As far as Chinese nutrition -

acid foods are yang and alkaline are yin. The whole concept with

Chinese Nutrition is balance, balance, and balance.

 

What are your thoughts on this?

 

Anne Biris

 

 

On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

>

> Hugo,

> One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much

> acidic forming foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as

> citrus may create a problem and push them over the edge as it were.

> I would suggest a blending of these theories as put forth by George

> Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame. They did understand,

> in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many at the

> Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> subincor

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hi Kath, my take on it is that

>

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

>

> and

>

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

>

>

>

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits

> and vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

> conditions. Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

>

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

> acids, they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right?

> The acids contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak

> acid breaks down to co2 and water very quickly and easily.

>

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally

> got heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

> " tomatoes are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell

> in the stomach which I immediately call heartburn even though it

> feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got real heartburn

> after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold and

> easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Hugo

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> Hugo Ramiro

>

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

>

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> " "

>

> PCOM Alumni <alumni

>

> Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

>

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and

> oj helps

>

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

> acidic

>

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

> cravings.

>

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

>

>

> k

>

>

>

> --

>

> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

>

> Oriental Medicine

>

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

>

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

>

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>

> Available at Asheville Center for :

>

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

>

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

>

>

> and from the following supply companies:

>

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat=

> 0 & page=1

>

>

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

> category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

>

>

> Asheville Center For

>

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

>

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

>

>

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Hi Kath,

 

It would seem to me that not only are they acidic, but they are also all

warming, perhaps that combination contributes craving?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 6/16/09, wrote:

 

 

 

why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:07 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj helps

reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

k

 

--

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

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yes, i believe that's what hugo was saying when he gave a tcm explanation

of the mechanism. although as hugo pointed out, the oj is cold in our

system.

 

k

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath,

>

> It would seem to me that not only are they acidic, but they are also all

> warming, perhaps that combination contributes craving?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 6/16/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >

> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:07 PM

>

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> helps

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

> k

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

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hugo:

 

this is interesting to explore.

 

according to your original equation:

 

red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress or in TCM liver qi stag =

cravings for smoking

 

i'm not seeing the tcm logic in warm foods (heat) --> liver qi stag

 

liv qi stag can cause heat, but i'm not seeing mechanism of the reverse:

heat will cause liver qi stag.

 

so it seems to me that the mechanism here is warm foods --> heat -->

aggravates shen --> smoking cravings

 

your thoughts?

 

k

 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath:

>

> --Kath-

>

> i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> causing stress).

> ---

>

> This is my fault for not using CM terminology in the first place: stress =

> liv qi constraint.

>

> Liver Qi Constraint can lead to heat. But heat can cause Liver Qi

> Constraint. Normal person + too much ginseng = Liver Qi Constraint, as an

> example.

>

> --Kath-

> i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

> i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> ---

>

> Again, my fault. Sugar crash = Sp Qi deficiency. Sp Qi deficiency = Liver

> Qi Constraint via Earth not nourishing Wood.

>

> No heat necessary in this second equation, just depletion.

>

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

>

> ________________________________

> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 18:17:48

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

> hugo:

>

> i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

> and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

> into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

> principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate to

> me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

>

> the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

>

> i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

> the shen.

>

> i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

> i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

>

> your thoughts?

>

> kath

>

> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> > red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> > and

> > orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

> >

> > I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> > vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions.

> > Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> > The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

> > they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> > contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down

> to

> > co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> > All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> > heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes

> > are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> > which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a

> burn "

> > or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day

> > because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering my

> > already existing stomach heat " .

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Hugo

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> com>>

> > PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcolle ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco

> llege.edu> >

> > Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine @.

> com<traditional_ chinese_medicine %40. com>

>

> > >

> > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

> >

> > why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> >

> > i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> > helps

> > reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> > group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> > does anyone have an explanation for this?

> >

> > k

> >

> > --

> >

> > Oriental Medicine

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > http://acukath. blogspot. com/

> >

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

> >

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >

> > and from the following supply companies:

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

> >

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

> category=

> > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

> >

> > Asheville Center For

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

> >

> >

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Overall increases in blood acidity may be eliminated by the lungs. The lungs

are one of the ways the body does get rid of excess acidity in the body. In

addition, taking a drag on a cigarette increases deep breathing and intake of

more oxygen and elimination of more acids.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

lotuskarma

Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:03:44 -0400

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hugo and Michael,

 

 

 

Isn't there some sort of connection with acidic foods - acidic PH -

 

and smoking which causes an increase in stomach acid as quoted below

 

 

 

" Normally, stomach acid is absorbed by the food we eat. The acid that

 

is not absorbed by food enters the duodenum and is quickly neutralized

 

by sodium bicarbonate, a salt-like substance made by the pancreas—an

 

organ located next to the duodenum that aids in digestion. Some

 

studies show that smoking reduces the amount of bicarbonate in the

 

body, which causes problems in the neutralization of acid in the

 

duodenum. Other studies suggest that cigarette smoking may increase

 

the amount of acid secreted by the stomach over time. "

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/smoking/

 

 

 

The things that we crave are often the things that are not conducive

 

for our bodies i.e... too much sweet foods and spleen xu. Henceforth,

 

acidic foods and smoking increase acid PH. I'm still trying to work

 

out how that translates into TCM terms. As far as Chinese nutrition -

 

acid foods are yang and alkaline are yin. The whole concept with

 

Chinese Nutrition is balance, balance, and balance.

 

 

 

What are your thoughts on this?

 

 

 

Anne Biris

 

 

 

On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

> Hugo,

 

> One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much

 

> acidic forming foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as

 

> citrus may create a problem and push them over the edge as it were.

 

> I would suggest a blending of these theories as put forth by George

 

> Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame. They did understand,

 

> in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many at the

 

> Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> Chinese Medicine

 

> subincor

 

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

 

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Hi Kath, my take on it is that

 

>

 

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

 

>

 

> and

 

>

 

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits

 

> and vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

 

> conditions. Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

 

>

 

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

 

> acids, they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right?

 

> The acids contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak

 

> acid breaks down to co2 and water very quickly and easily.

 

>

 

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally

 

> got heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

 

> " tomatoes are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell

 

> in the stomach which I immediately call heartburn even though it

 

> feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got real heartburn

 

> after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold and

 

> easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Thanks,

 

>

 

> Hugo

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________

 

>

 

> Hugo Ramiro

 

>

 

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

 

>

 

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________

 

>

 

> " "

 

>

 

> PCOM Alumni <alumni

 

>

 

> Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

 

>

 

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

 

>

 

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and

 

> oj helps

 

>

 

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

 

> acidic

 

>

 

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

 

> cravings.

 

>

 

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> k

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --

 

>

 

> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

>

 

> Oriental Medicine

 

>

 

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

>

 

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

>

 

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

>

 

> Available at Asheville Center for :

 

>

 

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> and from the following supply companies:

 

>

 

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

>

 

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat=

 

> 0 & page=1

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

>

 

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

 

> category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Asheville Center For

 

>

 

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

>

 

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

>

 

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

>

 

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

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This is an interesting technical exploration of this phenomenon.  My

observations of smokers, is that they tend to smoke when they are " stimulated " -

stressed, overwhelmed, etc.  They perceive it producing relaxation, even though

nicotine itself is a stimulant.  It might be that acidic foods also happen to

be stimulating, and this could be another explanation.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

635 S. 10th St.

Cottonwood, AZ  86326

(928) 274-1373

 

 

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1

RE: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:00 AM

 

 

Overall increases in blood acidity may be eliminated by the lungs.  The lungs

are one of the ways the body does get rid of excess acidity in the body.  In

addition, taking a drag on a cigarette increases deep breathing and intake of

more oxygen and elimination of more acids.   

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

lotuskarma

Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:03:44 -0400

Re: TCM -  why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

           

           

 

 

     

      Hugo and Michael,

 

 

 

Isn't there some sort of connection with acidic foods - acidic PH - 

 

and smoking which causes an increase in stomach acid as quoted below

 

 

 

" Normally, stomach acid is absorbed by the food we eat. The acid that 

 

is not absorbed by food enters the duodenum and is quickly neutralized 

 

by sodium bicarbonate, a salt-like substance made by the pancreas—an 

 

organ located next to the duodenum that aids in digestion. Some 

 

studies show that smoking reduces the amount of bicarbonate in the 

 

body, which causes problems in the neutralization of acid in the 

 

duodenum. Other studies suggest that cigarette smoking may increase 

 

the amount of acid secreted by the stomach over

time. "    http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/smoking/

 

 

 

The things that we crave are often the things that are not conducive 

 

for our bodies i.e... too much sweet foods and spleen xu.  Henceforth, 

 

acidic foods and smoking increase acid PH.  I'm still trying to work 

 

out how that translates into TCM terms. As far as Chinese nutrition - 

 

acid foods are yang and alkaline are yin.  The whole concept with 

 

Chinese Nutrition is balance, balance, and balance.

 

 

 

What are your thoughts on this?

 

 

 

Anne Biris

 

 

 

On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

> Hugo,

 

> One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much 

 

> acidic forming foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as 

 

> citrus may create a problem and push them over the edge as it were.   

 

> I would suggest a blending of these theories as put forth by George 

 

> Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame.  They did understand, 

 

> in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many at the 

 

> Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> Chinese Medicine

 

> subincor

 

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

 

> Re: TCM -  why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>       Hi Kath, my take on it is that

 

>

 

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

 

>

 

> and

 

>

 

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits 

 

> and vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic 

 

> conditions. Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

 

>

 

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong 

 

> acids, they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? 

 

> The acids contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak 

 

> acid breaks down to co2 and water very quickly and easily.

 

>

 

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally 

 

> got heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying 

 

> " tomatoes are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell 

 

> in the stomach which I immediately call heartburn even though it 

 

> feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got real heartburn 

 

> after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold and 

 

> easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Thanks,

 

>

 

> Hugo

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________

 

>

 

> Hugo Ramiro

 

>

 

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

 

>

 

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________

 

>

 

> " "

 

>

 

> PCOM Alumni <alumni

 

>

 

> Cc: TCM List <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

 

>

 

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

 

>

 

> TCM -  why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and 

 

> oj helps

 

>

 

> reduce smoking cravings.  in looking at the list, it seems to be an 

 

> acidic

 

>

 

> group.  i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering 

 

> cravings.

 

>

 

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> k

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --

 

>

 

> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS,  BA UCLA

 

>

 

> Oriental Medicine

 

>

 

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

>

 

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Flying Dragon Liniment:  Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

>

 

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

>

 

> Available at Asheville Center for :

 

>

 

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> and from the following supply companies:

 

>

 

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

>

 

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 

 

> 0 & page=1

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

>

 

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &  

 

> category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Asheville Center For

 

>

 

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

>

 

> Asheville, NC  28801     828.258.2777

 

>

 

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

>

 

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

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One other point to remember in this discussion, is that cigarettes contain

lithium, the most prevalent chemical medicine used by manic depressives. 

Don't think for a minute that that doesn't have an impact on cravings and

balance. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Anne Biris <lotuskarma wrote:

 

 

Anne Biris <lotuskarma

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:03 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hugo and Michael,

 

Isn't there some sort of connection with acidic foods - acidic PH -

and smoking which causes an increase in stomach acid as quoted below

 

" Normally, stomach acid is absorbed by the food we eat. The acid that

is not absorbed by food enters the duodenum and is quickly neutralized

by sodium bicarbonate, a salt-like substance made by the pancreas—an

organ located next to the duodenum that aids in digestion. Some

studies show that smoking reduces the amount of bicarbonate in the

body, which causes problems in the neutralization of acid in the

duodenum. Other studies suggest that cigarette smoking may increase

the amount of acid secreted by the stomach over time. " http://digestive.

niddk.nih. gov/ddiseases/ pubs/smoking/

 

The things that we crave are often the things that are not conducive

for our bodies i.e... too much sweet foods and spleen xu. Henceforth,

acidic foods and smoking increase acid PH. I'm still trying to work

out how that translates into TCM terms. As far as Chinese nutrition -

acid foods are yang and alkaline are yin. The whole concept with

Chinese Nutrition is balance, balance, and balance.

 

What are your thoughts on this?

 

Anne Biris

 

On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

>

> Hugo,

> One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much

> acidic forming foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as

> citrus may create a problem and push them over the edge as it were.

> I would suggest a blending of these theories as put forth by George

> Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame. They did understand,

> in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many at the

> Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

>

> subincor

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hi Kath, my take on it is that

>

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

>

> and

>

> orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

>

>

>

> I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits

> and vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

> conditions. Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

>

> The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

> acids, they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right?

> The acids contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak

> acid breaks down to co2 and water very quickly and easily.

>

> All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally

> got heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

> " tomatoes are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell

> in the stomach which I immediately call heartburn even though it

> feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got real heartburn

> after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold and

> easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Hugo

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> Hugo Ramiro

>

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

>

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

>

> PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcolle ge.edu>

>

> Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine >

>

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and

> oj helps

>

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

> acidic

>

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

> cravings.

>

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

>

>

> k

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

> Oriental Medicine

>

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

>

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

>

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>

> Available at Asheville Center for :

>

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

>

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

>

>

> and from the following supply companies:

>

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat=

> 0 & page=1

>

>

>

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They perceive it producing relaxation, even though nicotine itself is a

stimulant.

 

an article in 5/20/09 ny times by jane brody discusses the biological basis

of the smoking addiction:

 

nicotine receptors in the brain release neuro transmitters: acetylcholine

(arousal, cognitive enhancement), beta-endorphin (reduces anxiety and

tension), dopamine (pleasure, appetite suppresion), gaba (reduction of

anxiety and tension), glutamate (learning, memory enhancement),

norepinephrine (arousal & appetite suppression), serotonin (mood modulation,

appetite suppression).

 

k

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, <wrote:

 

>

>

> This is an interesting technical exploration of this phenomenon. My

> observations of smokers, is that they tend to smoke when they are

> " stimulated " - stressed, overwhelmed, etc. They perceive it producing

> relaxation, even though nicotine itself is a stimulant. It might be that

> acidic foods also happen to be stimulating, and this could be another

> explanation.

>

> Andrea Beth

>

> Traditional Oriental Medicine

> Happy Hours in the CALM Center

> 635 S. 10th St.

> Cottonwood, AZ 86326

> (928) 274-1373

>

> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1<naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 <naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>>

> RE: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> To:

Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:00 AM

>

>

> Overall increases in blood acidity may be eliminated by the lungs. The

> lungs are one of the ways the body does get rid of excess acidity in the

> body. In addition, taking a drag on a cigarette increases deep breathing

> and intake of more oxygen and elimination of more acids.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> lotuskarma <lotuskarma%40gmail.com>

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:03:44 -0400

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

Hugo and Michael,

>

> Isn't there some sort of connection with acidic foods - acidic PH -

>

> and smoking which causes an increase in stomach acid as quoted below

>

> " Normally, stomach acid is absorbed by the food we eat. The acid that

>

> is not absorbed by food enters the duodenum and is quickly neutralized

>

> by sodium bicarbonate, a salt-like substance made by the pancreas—an

>

> organ located next to the duodenum that aids in digestion. Some

>

> studies show that smoking reduces the amount of bicarbonate in the

>

> body, which causes problems in the neutralization of acid in the

>

> duodenum. Other studies suggest that cigarette smoking may increase

>

> the amount of acid secreted by the stomach over time. "

> http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/smoking/

>

> The things that we crave are often the things that are not conducive

>

> for our bodies i.e... too much sweet foods and spleen xu. Henceforth,

>

> acidic foods and smoking increase acid PH. I'm still trying to work

>

> out how that translates into TCM terms. As far as Chinese nutrition -

>

> acid foods are yang and alkaline are yin. The whole concept with

>

> Chinese Nutrition is balance, balance, and balance.

>

> What are your thoughts on this?

>

> Anne Biris

>

> On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hugo,

>

> > One may need to consider that if a person indulges in too much

>

> > acidic forming foods, then even a slight increase in acid, such as

>

> > citrus may create a problem and push them over the edge as it were.

>

> > I would suggest a blending of these theories as put forth by George

>

> > Ohsawa and Herman Aihara of macrobiotic fame. They did understand,

>

> > in my opinion, how foods can actually heal and I met many at the

>

> > Vega center that overcame some serious conditions.

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>

> > subincor <subincor%40>

>

> > Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:02 +0000

>

> > Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hi Kath, my take on it is that

>

> >

>

> > red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

>

> >

>

> > and

>

> >

>

> > orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits

>

> > and vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

>

> > conditions. Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

>

> >

>

> > The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

>

> > acids, they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right?

>

> > The acids contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak

>

> > acid breaks down to co2 and water very quickly and easily.

>

> >

>

> > All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally

>

> > got heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

>

> > " tomatoes are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell

>

> > in the stomach which I immediately call heartburn even though it

>

> > feels nothing like a burn " or alternatively " I got real heartburn

>

> > after I ate tomatoes the other day because the tomatoes are cold and

>

> > easily cause obstruction triggering my already existing stomach heat " .

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Thanks,

>

> >

>

> > Hugo

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ________________________________

>

> >

>

> > Hugo Ramiro

>

> >

>

> > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

>

> >

>

> > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ________________________________

>

> >

>

> > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

>

> >

>

> > PCOM Alumni <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Cc: TCM List

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

>

> >

>

> > why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and

>

> > oj helps

>

> >

>

> > reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

>

> > acidic

>

> >

>

> > group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

>

> > cravings.

>

> >

>

> > does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > k

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> >

>

> > Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

>

> >

>

> > Oriental Medicine

>

> >

>

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>

> >

>

> > http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>

> >

>

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>

> >

>

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

>

> >

>

> > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > and from the following supply companies:

>

> >

>

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>

> >

>

> > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat=

>

> > 0 & page=1

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

> >

>

> > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

>

> > category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Asheville Center For

>

> >

>

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>

> >

>

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>

> >

>

> > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

>

> >

>

> > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

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Hi Kath:

 

I'm not sure where we're having our glitch...

 

Is it not possible to give someone hot medicinals, and as a consequence of the

excess heat for the liver to become constrained? Then once the liver is

constrained it generates its own heat in addition?

 

?

 

It's happened to me a couple of times. At least I think it has. Addition of

excess to the stomach, and resultant liver constraint (as determined by pulses

and tongue) followed by heat. What am I missing here?

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

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http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" "

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 10:26:27

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

hugo:

 

this is interesting to explore.

 

according to your original equation:

 

red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress or in TCM liver qi stag =

cravings for smoking

 

i'm not seeing the tcm logic in warm foods (heat) --> liver qi stag

 

liv qi stag can cause heat, but i'm not seeing mechanism of the reverse:

heat will cause liver qi stag.

 

so it seems to me that the mechanism here is warm foods --> heat -->

aggravates shen --> smoking cravings

 

your thoughts?

 

k

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath:

>

> --Kath-

>

> i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> causing stress).

> ---

>

> This is my fault for not using CM terminology in the first place: stress =

> liv qi constraint.

>

> Liver Qi Constraint can lead to heat. But heat can cause Liver Qi

> Constraint. Normal person + too much ginseng = Liver Qi Constraint, as an

> example.

>

> --Kath-

> i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

> i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> ---

>

> Again, my fault. Sugar crash = Sp Qi deficiency. Sp Qi deficiency = Liver

> Qi Constraint via Earth not nourishing Wood.

>

> No heat necessary in this second equation, just depletion.

>

> Hugo

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>>

> <Traditional_

Chinese_Medicine %40. com>

> Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 18:17:48

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

>

> hugo:

>

> i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

> and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

> into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

> principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate to

> me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

>

> the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

>

> i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

> the shen.

>

> i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm terms

> i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

>

> your thoughts?

>

> kath

>

> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> > red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> > and

> > orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

> >

> > I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> > vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic conditions.

> > Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> > The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong acids,

> > they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> > contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks down

> to

> > co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> > All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> > heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying " tomatoes

> > are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> > which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a

> burn "

> > or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other day

> > because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering my

> > already existing stomach heat " .

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Hugo

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> com>>

> > PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcoll e ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco

> llege.edu> >

> > Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine @.

> com<traditional_ chinese_medicine %40. com>

>

> > >

> > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

> >

> > why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> >

> > i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> > helps

> > reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> > group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> > does anyone have an explanation for this?

> >

> > k

> >

> > --

> >

> > Oriental Medicine

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > http://acukath. blogspot. com/

> >

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

> >

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >

> > and from the following supply companies:

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

> >

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

> category=

> > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

> >

> > Asheville Center For

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

> >

> >

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yehuda:

 

wow, i did not know lithium was in cigs. wondering how are the tobacco cos

allow to put in this prescription substance?

 

k

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

> One other point to remember in this discussion, is that cigarettes contain

> lithium, the most prevalent chemical medicine used by manic depressives.

> Don't think for a minute that that doesn't have an impact on cravings and

> balance.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

>

 

--

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Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

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product=5554 & pg=

 

 

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hugo:

 

are you a 5E practitioner? maybe that's why we're not in sync.

 

how would you explain the tcm mech of the shi heat --> liv qi stag?

 

liv qi stag causes H, this would be depp H. but i'm missing the mechanism

involved in H --> liv qi to stag.

 

k

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath:

>

> I'm not sure where we're having our glitch...

>

> Is it not possible to give someone hot medicinals, and as a consequence of

> the excess heat for the liver to become constrained? Then once the liver is

> constrained it generates its own heat in addition?

>

> ?

>

> It's happened to me a couple of times. At least I think it has. Addition of

> excess to the stomach, and resultant liver constraint (as determined by

> pulses and tongue) followed by heat. What am I missing here?

>

>

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

>

> ________________________________

> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 10:26:27

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> hugo:

>

> this is interesting to explore.

>

> according to your original equation:

>

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress or in TCM liver qi stag =

> cravings for smoking

>

> i'm not seeing the tcm logic in warm foods (heat) --> liver qi stag

>

> liv qi stag can cause heat, but i'm not seeing mechanism of the reverse:

> heat will cause liver qi stag.

>

> so it seems to me that the mechanism here is warm foods --> heat -->

> aggravates shen --> smoking cravings

>

> your thoughts?

>

> k

>

> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Kath:

> >

> > --Kath-

> >

> > i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> > causing stress).

> > ---

> >

> > This is my fault for not using CM terminology in the first place: stress

> =

> > liv qi constraint.

> >

> > Liver Qi Constraint can lead to heat. But heat can cause Liver Qi

> > Constraint. Normal person + too much ginseng = Liver Qi Constraint, as an

> > example.

> >

> > --Kath-

> > i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm

> terms

> > i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> > seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> > ---

> >

> > Again, my fault. Sugar crash = Sp Qi deficiency. Sp Qi deficiency = Liver

> > Qi Constraint via Earth not nourishing Wood.

> >

> > No heat necessary in this second equation, just depletion.

> >

> > Hugo

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> com>>

> > <Traditional_

> Chinese_Medicine %40. com>

>

> > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 18:17:48

> > Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> >

> >

> > hugo:

> >

> > i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

> > and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

> > into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

> > principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate

> to

> > me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

> >

> > the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

> >

> > i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> > causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

> > the shen.

> >

> > i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm

> terms

> > i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> > seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> >

> > your thoughts?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor >

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> > > red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> > > and

> > > orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

> > >

> > > I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> > > vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

> conditions.

> > > Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> > > The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

> acids,

> > > they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> > > contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks

> down

> > to

> > > co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> > > All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> > > heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

> " tomatoes

> > > are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> > > which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a

> > burn "

> > > or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other

> day

> > > because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering

> my

> > > already existing stomach heat " .

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Hugo

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Hugo Ramiro

> > > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> > com>>

> > > PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcoll e ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco

>

> > llege.edu> >

> > > Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine @.

> > com<traditional_ chinese_medicine %40. com>

> >

> > > >

> > > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

> > >

> > > why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> > >

> > > i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> > > helps

> > > reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

> acidic

> > > group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

> cravings.

> > > does anyone have an explanation for this?

> > >

> > > k

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > Oriental Medicine

> > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > >

> > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > > http://acukath. blogspot. com/

> > >

> > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > Available at Asheville Center for :

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> > >

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> > >

> > > and from the following supply companies:

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Hi Kath:

 

No, I am not a 5-e practitioner, and the mechanism I am describing is found in

TCM. Work with me here: what happens when you take someone with a harmonious

internal state and start overdosing them with korean ginseng?

 

Hugo

 

 

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Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 15:59:41

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

hugo:

 

are you a 5E practitioner? maybe that's why we're not in sync.

 

how would you explain the tcm mech of the shi heat --> liv qi stag?

 

liv qi stag causes H, this would be depp H. but i'm missing the mechanism

involved in H --> liv qi to stag.

 

k

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath:

>

> I'm not sure where we're having our glitch...

>

> Is it not possible to give someone hot medicinals, and as a consequence of

> the excess heat for the liver to become constrained? Then once the liver is

> constrained it generates its own heat in addition?

>

> ?

>

> It's happened to me a couple of times. At least I think it has. Addition of

> excess to the stomach, and resultant liver constraint (as determined by

> pulses and tongue) followed by heat. What am I missing here?

>

>

> Hugo

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>>

> <Traditional_

Chinese_Medicine %40. com>

> Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 10:26:27

> Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

>

> hugo:

>

> this is interesting to explore.

>

> according to your original equation:

>

> red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress or in TCM liver qi stag =

> cravings for smoking

>

> i'm not seeing the tcm logic in warm foods (heat) --> liver qi stag

>

> liv qi stag can cause heat, but i'm not seeing mechanism of the reverse:

> heat will cause liver qi stag.

>

> so it seems to me that the mechanism here is warm foods --> heat -->

> aggravates shen --> smoking cravings

>

> your thoughts?

>

> k

>

> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Kath:

> >

> > --Kath-

> >

> > i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> > causing stress).

> > ---

> >

> > This is my fault for not using CM terminology in the first place: stress

> =

> > liv qi constraint.

> >

> > Liver Qi Constraint can lead to heat. But heat can cause Liver Qi

> > Constraint. Normal person + too much ginseng = Liver Qi Constraint, as an

> > example.

> >

> > --Kath-

> > i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm

> terms

> > i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> > seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> > ---

> >

> > Again, my fault. Sugar crash = Sp Qi deficiency. Sp Qi deficiency = Liver

> > Qi Constraint via Earth not nourishing Wood.

> >

> > No heat necessary in this second equation, just depletion.

> >

> > Hugo

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> com>>

> > <Traditional_

> Chinese_Medicine %40. com>

>

> > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 18:17:48

> > Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> >

> >

> > hugo:

> >

> > i like your explanations here. esp. the tomato/heartburn (st stag) blurb.

> > and i'm with you on the acidity issue. i've always had difficulty buying

> > into the acid/alkaline cycle. i know many folks that are invested in the

> > principle, so i try to keep an open mind. but it's never felt legitimate

> to

> > me. (no offence meant to those who tx according to this principle).

> >

> > the heat --> stress is the correct tcm approach to the issue.

> >

> > i think of stress causing heat, though, rather than the reverse (heat

> > causing stress). in this case we are seeing fire or yin fire aggravating

> > the shen.

> >

> > i get the sugar crash --> stress from a western point of view. in tcm

> terms

> > i don't see a stress --> heat--> shen aggravation cycle here. rather it

> > seems to me that the sugar crash --> qi xu.

> >

> > your thoughts?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor >

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Kath, my take on it is that

> > > red meat, caffeine and alcohol = heat = stress = cravings for smoking

> > > and

> > > orange = (too) sweet = sugar crash = stress = cravings for a smoke.

> > >

> > > I absolutely do not buy the oranges and tomatoes (and other fruits and

> > > vegetables we know to be cold) are acidic and lead to acidic

> conditions.

> > > Even chemistry doesn't support the idea.

> > > The acids in lemons, tomatoes, oranges and vinegar are not strong

> acids,

> > > they're weak acids. They don't burn skin or clothes, right? The acids

> > > contained in these foods don't even last long. The weak acid breaks

> down

> > to

> > > co2 and water very quickly and easily.

> > > All these people saying, " oh yeah, tomatoes are acidic, I totally got

> > > heartburn after eating tomatoes the other day " should be saying

> " tomatoes

> > > are cold and cause obstruction causing me to feel unwell in the stomach

> > > which I immediately call heartburn even though it feels nothing like a

> > burn "

> > > or alternatively " I got real heartburn after I ate tomatoes the other

> day

> > > because the tomatoes are cold and easily cause obstruction triggering

> my

> > > already existing stomach heat " .

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Hugo

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Hugo Ramiro

> > > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> > > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > " " <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail.

> > com>>

> > > PCOM Alumni <alumni@pacificcoll e ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco

>

> > llege.edu> >

> > > Cc: TCM List <traditional_ chinese_medicine @.

> > com<traditional_ chinese_medicine %40. com>

> >

> > > >

> > > Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 15:07:56

> > >

> > > why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> > >

> > > i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> > > helps

> > > reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an

> acidic

> > > group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering

> cravings.

> > > does anyone have an explanation for this?

> > >

> > > k

> > >

> > > --

> > >

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> > >

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> > > http://acukath. blogspot. com/

> > >

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> > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

> > >

> > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > >

> > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat=

> 0 & page=1

> > >

> > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories &

> > category=

> > > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

> > >

> > > Asheville Center For

> > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> > > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

> > >

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I coldness of the mechanism than why not all cold foods cause " heart burn. "

Clearly there is other factors that result in such symptoms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Alon,

I agree. Also, if oranges are sweet, they should soothe the liver.

Maybe it's because they are sour that they aggravate the LV?

Also, tomatoes and other nightshades are sweet and sour.

 

The sour taste relates to acidity. how does that effect bile?

 

 

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote:

 

>

>

> I coldness of the mechanism than why not all cold foods cause " heart burn. "

> Clearly there is other factors that result in such symptoms.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, but consider that  any sweet fruit juice is concentrated fructose, and

sugar generates dampness, especially in liquid form,  dampness encumbers the

spleen which engengers stagnation which in turn creates heat.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, wrote:

 

 

 

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, i believe that's what hugo was saying when he gave a tcm explanation

of the mechanism. although as hugo pointed out, the oj is cold in our

system.

 

k

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM, >wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Kath,

>

> It would seem to me that not only are they acidic, but they are also all

> warming, perhaps that combination contributes craving?

>

>

> www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

> www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

>

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 6/16/09, <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT)

com<acukath%40gmail. com>>

> wrote:

>

> <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>>

> why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni@pacificcolle ge.edu <alumni%40pacificco llege.edu>

> >

> Cc: " TCM List " <traditional_ chinese_medicine <traditional_

chinese_medicine %40. com>

> >

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 12:07 PM

>

>

> i read many years ago that eliminating red meat, caffeine, ehol and oj

> helps

> reduce smoking cravings. in looking at the list, it seems to be an acidic

> group. i'm wondering about the mechanism of acidity triggering cravings.

> does anyone have an explanation for this?

>

> k

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

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Oh, the doses are trace doses, but their effect is obvious.  BTW, the cigarette

companies are VERY aware of its presence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, wrote:

 

 

 

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:55 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yehuda:

 

wow, i did not know lithium was in cigs. wondering how are the tobacco cos

allow to put in this prescription substance?

 

k

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, >wrote:

 

>

>

> One other point to remember in this discussion, is that cigarettes contain

> lithium, the most prevalent chemical medicine used by manic depressives.

> Don't think for a minute that that doesn't have an impact on cravings and

> balance.

>

>

> www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

> www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

>

>

>

> --

>

 

--

 

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Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

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www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

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Hi Alon!

 

I don't know if you are writing to me.

If you are, then I cannot reply because I did not say all cold foods cause

heartburn or anything like that.

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

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http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

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Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 17:12:30

Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

I coldness of the mechanism than why not all cold foods cause " heart burn. "

Clearly there is other factors that result in such symptoms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey John:

 

In our patient population the tendency is to overeat sweet foods, accumulate

dampness and damage the spleen energies. The dampness encumberment stops the

Liver Qi from moving, creating Liver Qi Constraint. Alternatively, chronic

Spleen Qi deficiency does not support the formation of Blood which the Liver

then suffers from, resulting in Liver Qi Constraint again.

 

An appropriate amount of sweetness I don't think is ever an issue, and as you

say softens or smooths the Liver.. Sourness I guess depends on the type of

orange.

 

I am surprised that this energetic is not easily recognised in a society of

chronic abusers of sugar. A full glass of orange juice every morning? That's

like 6 to 8 oranges.

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

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http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 17:23:43

Re: Re: why do acidic foods increase smoking cravings?

 

 

 

 

 

Alon,

I agree. Also, if oranges are sweet, they should soothe the liver.

Maybe it's because they are sour that they aggravate the LV?

Also, tomatoes and other nightshades are sweet and sour.

 

The sour taste relates to acidity. how does that effect bile?

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Alon Marcus <alonmarcus (AT) wans (DOT) net> wrote:

 

>

>

> I coldness of the mechanism than why not all cold foods cause " heart burn. "

> Clearly there is other factors that result in such symptoms.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com

>

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Hi Kath!

 

--Kath-

nicotine receptors in the brain release neuro transmitters: acetylcholine

(arousal, cognitive enhancement), beta-endorphin (reduces anxiety and

tension), dopamine (pleasure, appetite suppresion), gaba (reduction of

anxiety and tension), glutamate (learning, memory enhancement),

norepinephrine (arousal & appetite suppression), serotonin (mood modulation,

appetite suppression).

---

 

Wow that sounds great! ;)

I'll be starting smoking tonight.

 

On a side note, there are a bunch of chinese herbs (and western herbs) in

cigarettes, interestingly. Gentiana, myrrh, anise, etc.

 

Hugo

 

 

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Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman

< wrote:

>

> Yes, but consider�that �any sweet�fruit juice is concentrated fructose,

and sugar�generates dampness,�especially in liquid�form,

�dampness�encumbers the spleen which�engengers stagnation which in turn

creates heat.� �

>

 

I've always understood the sweet taste is sedative, strengthening, harmonizing,

warming, moistening and relaxing. It's easy to see why many gravitate towards

the instant fix of many modern processed foods and beverages.

Each of the flavours is essential to good health. As ever, it's down to balance,

season, environment, constitution, and how we receive the flavours.

 

Acid - alkaline theories of foodstuffs; I just don't 'get' this, probably

because I'm not a naturopath. However, I do know that the 'normal' range of pH

7.35-7.45 in a human is a relatively tiny range. Acidosis left untreated, will

kill someone - the ketoacidotic coma of an undiagnosed diabetic is an example;

those with low oxygen levels in their blood, will also trend towards acidic,

rather than alkaline.

 

I am amused by the current fad [in my country anyway] of inducing keto-acidosis

in the early stages of certain weight loss programs, often conducted by

naturopaths. When is acidosis 'healthy', and when is it not?

 

I'm also intrigued by Andrea Beth's comments here:

" My observations of smokers, is that they tend to smoke when they are

" stimulated " - stressed, overwhelmed, etc. They perceive it producing

relaxation, even though nicotine itself is a stimulant. It might be that acidic

foods also happen to be stimulating, and this could be another explanation. "

 

This sounds like the homeopathic theory of 'like curing like', and makes a lot

of sense to me.

 

As for TCM and smoking?

Is the root of the desire to smoke, something to do with an emptiness of the

Lung...? Does warming and filling the Lung - even with the poisons of a

cigarette - engender a feeling of less-emptiness; transient though it may be?

Throw in all the modern sugars and carbs, and the Spleen is weighed down and

blocked with glugg.

Taiyin struggles doubly in the sweet-toothed, anxious, hot, dried out smoker.

 

Margi

http://margihealing.wordpress.com/

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