Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Emmanuel, just a pair of questions: 1- your dried extracts are made with decoction from raw or dried herbs/drugs 2- If from dried drugs, are them sold in Europe? Where can I found a web URL? Many thanks. My best regards, _____ Da: Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Per conto di Emmauel Segmen Inviato: sabato 9 maggio 2009 22.53 A: Chinese Medicine Oggetto: Re: Herbs wrote: " Emmanuel, I was under the impression that most companies cooked the herbs together as a tang before the granulation or spray-drying process. Is than incorrect? K " ----------------------------- Hi K, Yes, normally the finished product (formula or single herb) is spray-dried and bottled ... not compounded as single her extracts. It came to my attention in about 1993 or 1994 when comparing the herbs of many companies that some of the formula products on the market had as many differently colored granules as there were herbs in the formula. When I brought that to the attention of my company president and general manager, they observed that also the dissolving of the various granules were individually different. They concluded that such products were compounded from single herb extracts. They figured that it was a quick way in America of maintaining one's " in-stock " formula line. Apparently some companies would take singles, compound them, and then rebottle them in formula bottles. Min Tong never considered doing this as it was the view of the president that such compounding did not represent classical CM. We always spoke about formulas in their complexity ... hundr eds or thousands of interacting molecules ... some molecules in solution allowing for release of other molecules from other herbs in the decoction. Basic biochemistry stuff that we think about. It was a chance for me as a biochemist to speak with other biochemists who thought in terms of CM. One wonders if certain formula ingredients are not there for the human physiology but rather are there in solution for the correct " pull " on some other herb to release into solution. Even back when I was posting to CHA in the early 2000s I recall that we had this discussion. I haven't made any such comparisons in recent years, so I don't know what companies still compound singles into formulas. I haven't noticed this practice in recent years. Back the early 2000s I recall hearing the debate on CHA about practitioners doing this on their own in their own clinics. Since I'm not on CHA any more, perhaps you can let me know how that debate goes. Thanks. Respectfully and gratefully, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 wrote: " Dear Emmanuel, just a pair of questions: 1- your dried extracts are made with decoction from raw or dried herbs/drugs 2- If from dried drugs, are them sold in Europe? Where can I found a web URL? Many thanks. My best regards, " - Dear Gabriele, Dried drugs? You're joking right? The U.S. FDA and the counter part in the EU would not all a non-pharmaceutical company nor a non-MD to engage in such business. I'm registered with the U.S. FDA, USDA-APHIS and Homeland Security just to import dried Chinese herbs. I left Min Tong Herbs in Dec., 1994. My current company uses the former Ming Xiang Factory in Lanzhou , Gansu ... currently named Taibo Factory of Gansu Meheco. It was historically the Beijing certified export factory, and internationally GMP certified. I number of American companies do business with them. Many other factories, larger than Taibo, can export these days. All of our formula extracts are from dried herbs. I'm not in Europe nor do I understand marketing in Europe. Min Tong is distributed in Europe through a Belgium company. KPC is distributed in Europe a well. Look to your European distributors for answers to your questions. I'm in San Francisco representing mainly raw dried Chinese herb material supply to manufacturers in the U.S. and also to a lesser extent supplying raw herbs and finished formulas (not classical - rather, modern research, only a few) to distributors serving Chinese medical clinics. I have the dubious privilege of being directed by my beloved company president Dr. Liang to speak on her behalf to anyone who comes through the door. Considering the actual marketplace that I serve, I offer my condolences to all who blunder in off the street and in to our warehouse. Normally the door is locked. (^; ing. People like Dr. Nam Singh who grew up in his grandfather's Chinese medical clinic seem to find themselves at home here. Good luck with finding drugs in your herb extracts in Europe. Thanks for asking. Gratefully, Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Min Tong is distributed by Medichin <http://www.medichin.be/> www.medichin.be KPC is imported by Sinecura www.sinecura.be <http://www.sinecura.be/> They are both located in Belgium and both do wholesale all over Europe. Regards, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Emmanuel Segmen dinsdag 12 mei 2009 0:26 Chinese Medicine Re:R: Re: Herbs Min Tong is distributed in Europe through a Belgium company. KPC is distributed in Europe a well. Look to your European distributors for answers to your questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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