Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 This wonderful Yehuda, thanks. I wonder if I can insert something here about points. There are points I've been shown that do not match any old or new or revised, even extraordinary point charts, that I've seen. And I looked. A couple points on the abdomen, which for women bring back menses, for men, bring back power and stop leak. Is it something worth while for us? I don't know if it mechanical, easy to find and learn, or practitioner created and triggered. I hate to be funny, but looking for specific feedback. Thank you so much. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < wrote: < report on infertility patient Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine , " TCM " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:11 PM Dear colleagues, I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility and/or amenorrhea. What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive naturally. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I don't think that it's a question of points being mechanical. On the contrary, I think that it's important to always remember that points are not nearly as important as channels. When we address a given imbalance, I think that the most important thing we need to do is look at the channels most affected, and most affecting, sedate one and tonify the other. Also to palpate, look and feel for tenderness, spasm, skin crease, lack of symmetry and weakness. In my patients case, I sedated liver and tonified spleen and Dai, among other things. I love acupuncture, and love how it changes the lives of my patients, as well as my own. Time to go to sleep. 'night all. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym Re: report on infertility patient Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:30 PM This wonderful Yehuda, thanks. I wonder if I can insert something here about points. There are points I've been shown that do not match any old or new or revised, even extraordinary point charts, that I've seen. And I looked. A couple points on the abdomen, which for women bring back menses, for men, bring back power and stop leak. Is it something worth while for us? I don't know if it mechanical, easy to find and learn, or practitioner created and triggered. I hate to be funny, but looking for specific feedback. Thank you so much. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: < > report on infertility patient Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_ chinese_medicine > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:11 PM Dear colleagues, I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility and/or amenorrhea. What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive naturally. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 It is quite interesting. Here I attached a Vedio which shows the extraordinary-Acu-points on the Abdomen region. Would you pls tell us if the points you have found match any of these points, or what you found are pretty new ones. In case they are pretty new ones, would you pls tell me where is the location. Thanks a lot. Love Acupunture Also look at the newly developed tcm work in China - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODkwMjAzNTY=.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 It is quite interesting. Here I attached a Vedio which shows the extraordinary-Acu-points on the Abdomen region. Would you pls tell us if the points you have found match any of these points, or what you found are pretty new ones. In case they are pretty new ones, would you pls tell me where is the location. Thanks a lot. Love Acupunture Also look at the newly developed tcm work in China - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODkwMjAzNTY=.html --- On Wed, 5/6/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym Re: report on infertility patient Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:30 PM This wonderful Yehuda, thanks. I wonder if I can insert something here about points. There are points I've been shown that do not match any old or new or revised, even extraordinary point charts, that I've seen. And I looked. A couple points on the abdomen, which for women bring back menses, for men, bring back power and stop leak. Is it something worth while for us? I don't know if it mechanical, easy to find and learn, or practitioner created and triggered. I hate to be funny, but looking for specific feedback. Thank you so much. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: < > report on infertility patient Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_ chinese_medicine > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:11 PM Dear colleagues, I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility and/or amenorrhea. What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive naturally. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hi Yehuda, what herbal company pills do you use for this patient? Thanks Yuliya Goldberg --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < wrote: < report on infertility patient Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine , " TCM " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:11 PM Dear colleagues, I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility and/or amenorrhea. What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive naturally. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi Yuliya, I basically use two 3 companies: Min Shan and Plum Flower that I get from Mayway, and Guang Ci Tang that I get from Active Herb Wholesale, in San Diego. It depends on the formulations and availability as to what I prescribe. BTW, if you do buy Guang Ci tang, be forewarned that some of their formulations are different than standard formulas. For that reason, I sometimes will buy the same formula (at least in name) from both companies, and use the more appropriate one depending on an individual patient. All the best, --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 wrote: Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 Re: report on infertility patient Chinese Medicine Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:59 PM Hi Yehuda, what herbal company pills do you use for this patient? Thanks Yuliya Goldberg --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: < > report on infertility patient Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_ chinese_medicine > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:11 PM Dear colleagues, I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility and/or amenorrhea. What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive naturally. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yehuda, That is interesting that your patient felt hot after Tao hong si wu tang unblocked the passage of You gui wan. Just wondering if you used Wen jing tang on her yet... It can serve both actions. I liked reading Sharon Weisenbaum's article about Huang Huang's usage of Wen jing tang: http://www.whitepinehealingarts.com/Articles/Articles_Translations_by_Sharon_Wei\ zenbaum.ntweb/attachments/12_5-1Wen_Jing_Tang.pdf In health, K On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:25 AM, wrote: > > > Hi Yuliya, > > I basically use two 3 companies: Min Shan and Plum Flower that I get from > Mayway, and > Guang Ci Tang that I get from Active Herb Wholesale, in San Diego. It > depends on the formulations and availability as to what I prescribe. BTW, > if you do buy Guang Ci tang, be forewarned that some of their formulations > are different than standard formulas. For that reason, I sometimes will buy > the same formula (at least in name) from both companies, and use the more > appropriate one depending on an individual patient. > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77<ygold77%40>> > wrote: > > Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 <ygold77%40>> > Re: report on infertility patient > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:59 PM > > Hi Yehuda, > what herbal company pills do you use for this patient? > Thanks > Yuliya Goldberg > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: > > < > > report on infertility patient > Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_ > chinese_medicine > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:11 PM > > Dear colleagues, > > I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and > amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived > through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially > produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated > case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a > humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of > course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need > to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a > four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we > start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and > supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the > process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so > this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to > prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the > fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to > tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To > the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle > has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility > and/or amenorrhea. > > What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi > vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity > among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang > Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She > always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually > increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she > still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to > 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, > and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly > felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What > happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the > blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she > now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be > able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, > gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive > naturally. > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi Kokko et al, I think that you might find it interesting to note that after feeling very hot and uncomfortable on a dose of 12 pills of Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, (which, as I mentioned followed a course one week on You Gui Wan-gradually increasing up to 16 pills, and feeling cold even at 16 pills), I had her drop down to 8 pills of THSWT, for 1 day, and then back up again. When she returned to a dose of 12 the heat was gone and she feels comfortable. I specifically chose You Gui Wan as opposed to Wen Jing Tang, because besides the blood nourishing and warming quality that both formulas have, it also has a significant benefit of replenishing Jing and warming the Ming Men. Since this time of month I was working on promoting ovulation, I felt that that would be the formula of choice to use. Wen Jing Tang Wan, on the other hand would be more indicated if there were more prominent signs of blood stasis, and though, indeed, there was some in the MJ (the right middle pulse was deep choppy, slippery and slow), I felt that this was more from a Spleen Qi vacuity, and so concurrently she is also taking Xiang Sha Yang Wei Wang. I tried accessing Sharon's article and couldn't. Can you help? All the best, --- On Sun, 5/10/09, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: report on infertility patient Chinese Medicine Sunday, May 10, 2009, 6:27 AM Yehuda, That is interesting that your patient felt hot after Tao hong si wu tang unblocked the passage of You gui wan. Just wondering if you used Wen jing tang on her yet... It can serve both actions. I liked reading Sharon Weisenbaum's article about Huang Huang's usage of Wen jing tang: http://www.whitepin ehealingarts. com/Articles/ Articles_ Translations_ by_Sharon_ Weizenbaum. ntweb/attachment s/12_5-1Wen_ Jing_Tang. pdf In health, K On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:25 AM, >wrote: > > > Hi Yuliya, > > I basically use two 3 companies: Min Shan and Plum Flower that I get from > Mayway, and > Guang Ci Tang that I get from Active Herb Wholesale, in San Diego. It > depends on the formulations and availability as to what I prescribe. BTW, > if you do buy Guang Ci tang, be forewarned that some of their formulations > are different than standard formulas. For that reason, I sometimes will buy > the same formula (at least in name) from both companies, and use the more > appropriate one depending on an individual patient. > > All the best, > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 <ygold77%40. com>> > wrote: > > Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 <ygold77%40. com>> > Re: report on infertility patient > <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:59 PM > > Hi Yehuda, > what herbal company pills do you use for this patient? > Thanks > Yuliya Goldberg > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: > > < > > report on infertility patient > Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " <traditional_ > chinese_medicine > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:11 PM > > Dear colleagues, > > I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and > amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived > through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when artificially > produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated > case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a > humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. Of > course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we need > to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a > four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, we > start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and > supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the > process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, so > this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to > prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the > fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to > tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To > the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle > has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility > and/or amenorrhea. > > What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi > vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity > among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang > Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She > always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually > increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she > still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back to > 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui Wan, > and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly > felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! What > happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the > blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she > now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be > able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, > gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive > naturally. > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Yehuda, I see. Please go to http://www.whitepinehealingarts.com/ click on publications / articles / Sharon's articles or Classical translations... there are two articles on Wen jing tang... one that was published in the Lantern and one that is a translation of notes All the best, K On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:57 AM, wrote: > > > Hi Kokko et al, > > I think that you might find it interesting to note that after feeling very > hot and uncomfortable on a dose of 12 pills of Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, (which, > as I mentioned followed a course one week on You Gui Wan-gradually > increasing up to 16 pills, and feeling cold even at 16 pills), I had her > drop down to 8 pills of THSWT, for 1 day, and then back up again. When she > returned to a dose of 12 the heat was gone and she feels comfortable. I > specifically chose You Gui Wan as opposed to Wen Jing Tang, because besides > the blood nourishing and warming quality that both formulas have, it also > has a significant benefit of replenishing Jing and warming the Ming Men. > Since this time of month I was working on promoting ovulation, I felt that > that would be the formula of choice to use. Wen Jing Tang Wan, on the > other hand would be more indicated if there were more prominent signs of > blood stasis, and though, indeed, there was some in the MJ (the right middle > pulse was deep choppy, slippery and slow), I felt that this was more from a > Spleen Qi vacuity, and so concurrently she is also taking Xiang Sha Yang > Wei Wang. > > I tried accessing Sharon's article and couldn't. Can you help? > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > Re: report on infertility patient > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 6:27 AM > > Yehuda, > That is interesting that your patient felt hot after Tao hong si wu tang > unblocked the passage > of You gui wan. Just wondering if you used Wen jing tang on her yet... > It can serve both actions. > > I liked reading Sharon Weisenbaum's article about Huang Huang's usage of > Wen jing tang: > http://www.whitepin ehealingarts. com/Articles/ Articles_ Translations_ > by_Sharon_ Weizenbaum. ntweb/attachment s/12_5-1Wen_ Jing_Tang. pdf > > In health, > K > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:25 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Yuliya, > > > > I basically use two 3 companies: Min Shan and Plum Flower that I get from > > Mayway, and > > Guang Ci Tang that I get from Active Herb Wholesale, in San Diego. It > > depends on the formulations and availability as to what I prescribe. BTW, > > if you do buy Guang Ci tang, be forewarned that some of their > formulations > > are different than standard formulas. For that reason, I sometimes will > buy > > the same formula (at least in name) from both companies, and use the more > > appropriate one depending on an individual patient. > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 <ygold77%40. > com>> > > wrote: > > > > Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 <ygold77%40. com>> > > Re: report on infertility patient > > <Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > > > Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:59 PM > > > > Hi Yehuda, > > what herbal company pills do you use for this patient? > > Thanks > > Yuliya Goldberg > > > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, < > wrote: > > > > < > > > report on infertility patient > > Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine, " TCM " > <traditional_ > > chinese_medicine > > > Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:11 PM > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > I am currently treating a 30 year old female for infertility and > > amenorrhea. She is a former dancer, has two healthy children conceived > > through IVF, but has never naturally had a period except when > artificially > > produced through ingestion of birth control pills. Her's is a complicated > > case, and I don't want to go into all the details, but I want to relate a > > humorous and also informative anecdote relating to my treatment of her. > Of > > course, we are taught that in cases of infertility and amenorrhea, we > need > > to train the body to naturally develop the rhythm of life, each week in a > > four week cycle, to encourage one part of the process. So that week one, > we > > start to build up the reproductive material of the body by nourishing and > > supplementing the Yin and Jing. The Second week we want to encourage the > > process of ovulation which is accompanied by a rise in basal temperature, > so > > this time we want to tonify and warm the Yang. The third week, we want to > > prepare the body for menstuation by moving the blood. And finally in the > > fourth week, when hopefully the patient will get her period, we want to > > tonify Qi and Blood, and if necessary encourage its movement as well. To > > the best of my knowledge, and from clinical experience, this 4 week cycle > > has worked successfully for me in other cases of infertility > > and/or amenorrhea. > > > > What I wanted to relate, is that this patient presented with a Wei Qi > > vacuity, internal cold, Kidney Yin and Yang vacuity and Spleen Qi vacuity > > among other things. For week two I prescribed Yu Ping Feng San Wan, Xiang > > Xia Yang Wei Wan, and a large dose of You Gui Wan, all in pill form. She > > always feels cold, and this week was no difference. I had her gradually > > increase daily the You Gui Wan up to 16 pills, 3x daily. At that dose she > > still felt ice cold, as usual, but developed diarrhea. When she cut back > to > > 14 pills, the diarrhea stopped. Yesterday, I had her stop the You Gui > Wan, > > and substitute it for Tao Hong Si Wu Tang Wan, 12 pills--and she suddenly > > felt VERY HOT, afraid that she was having pre-menopausal hot flashes! > What > > happened though, was that the very hot You Gui Wan, was unblocked by the > > blood moving Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, and, again by modulating the dosage she > > now feels comfortably warm, and hopefully I will be > > able to report the good news that she will hopefully soon menstruate, > > gradually build herself up, and in a few months attempt to conceive > > naturally. > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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