Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Hi Mark, Our pediatrician Dr. Whitte at the Coastal Health Alliance in Bolinas offered us to special order separate vaccines back in the day, in order to try and munimize side effects. If you call the Point Reyes Clinic at (415)663-8666 they can give you his number in Bolinas (he heads both clinics but now only works in Bolinas, the number of which i do not have on hand). Best wishes, Genevieve. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Mark Milotay <mark wrote: Mark Milotay <mark Re: Influences in our decision not to vaccinate-neurology patients Chinese Medicine Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:24 AM We've been thinking of vaccinating for Tetanus, but I have not been able the toddler version of the vaccine without it being bundled with diptheria and polio. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a toddler load of the vaccine on its own? Thanks, Mark On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:48 AM, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > We didn't vaccinate our son either. Randall Neustaedter' s Vaccine Guide is > helpful in providing a second opinion. > http://www.cure- guide.com/ > > We were concerned about the possibility of our son contracting whooping > cough (pertussis) the first 2 years of his life, > as it has been said that it's been making a come-back and that children > develop their lungs in the first 2 years. > We were fortunate in that regard. He has always been very healthy. > > When we travel, we will vaccinate for polio and Hep A ... > > Tetanus shots seem logical. Opinions? > > Any suggestions for vaccinations that seem reasonable after 3 years of life? > > K > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Hah <x.kymus.x (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> >> >> Greetings everyone, >> >> This is my first response to this group, so my apologies if I am screwing >> something up here with formatting, etc. >> >> In regards to vaccinations, I have found information published by Dr. Gary >> Null to be most informative; especially his book Vaccines: A Second >> Opinion >> (A lengthy preview of which can be found here: >> >> http://www.vaccinat ionnews.com/ DailyNews/ October2001/ VaxASecondOpinio n.htm). >> On Null's site there are some informative articles covering the subject ( >> http://www.garynull .com/articles/ index.php# 1-1)and also, Null recently >> made a documentary film entitled Vaccine Nation ( >> http://www.vaccinen ation.net/ , and you can watch it for free here: >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=6531447125 053615129); he sells a >> book by the same name which I believe (though I am not certain) is a >> republished edition of his Vaccines: A Second Opinion. >> >> Another source that I've found to be very informative was Dr. Sherry J. >> Tenpenny's Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices. What I find >> interesting about Tenpenny's position is that she is an Osteopath that >> used >> to be pro-vaccines and now has changed her opinion on the subject >> entirely. >> On Google Video there is a copy of the documentary version of her book >> (which can be found here: >> >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=7018835240 451107552 & ei=oCLmSaD- Opuo_AGpj7WHAQ). >> >> >> In my own personal research, I am continually finding the same answers >> again and again: vaccines are not effective and are really >> counter-productive, if anything. I find it to be absurd that the issuance >> of >> vaccines has turned basically into gun-point-medicine where in some cases >> children are either vaccinated against the wishes of their parents, or are >> even taken away from them. >> >> I hope that this information will prove to be insightful >> >> - Josh Barton, C.M.T., H.H.C. >> >> >> > > -- > > Turtle Island Integrative Health > www.turtleclinic. com > > TCM Review director > CA State Board Prep Courses > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear colleagues, As Doctor Mendelsohn, OMB, so articulately put it, tetanus doesn't come from rusty nails or dog bites--it comes from puncture wounds that have been allowed to fester and not bleed, thus trapping the Gram-positive obligate anaerobic bacterium Clostridium tetani. The key is that it is an anerobic bacteria. The solution and prevention is the same: when one has a puncture wound, BLEED IT, as quickly as possible drain out the contaminated superficial blood, then apply Yunnan BaiYao, Di Yu either in juice (if you can get it) or powder form, or a local antiseptic if you don't have herbs available, or don't know how to use them topically. Apply sterile gauze and bandage and change daily until a scab forms. You follow the above and you will never need to consider taking a tetanus shot. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Genevieve Le Goff <mellowmoonherbs wrote: Genevieve Le Goff <mellowmoonherbs Re: Mark - solo tetanus shot lead Chinese Medicine Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:02 PM Hi Mark, Our pediatrician Dr. Whitte at the Coastal Health Alliance in Bolinas offered us to special order separate vaccines back in the day, in order to try and munimize side effects. If you call the Point Reyes Clinic at (415)663-8666 they can give you his number in Bolinas (he heads both clinics but now only works in Bolinas, the number of which i do not have on hand). Best wishes, Genevieve. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Mark Milotay <mark (AT) mindbodyasone (DOT) com> wrote: Mark Milotay <mark (AT) mindbodyasone (DOT) com> Re: Influences in our decision not to vaccinate-neurology patients Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:24 AM We've been thinking of vaccinating for Tetanus, but I have not been able the toddler version of the vaccine without it being bundled with diptheria and polio. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a toddler load of the vaccine on its own? Thanks, Mark On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:48 AM, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > We didn't vaccinate our son either. Randall Neustaedter' s Vaccine Guide is > helpful in providing a second opinion. > http://www.cure- guide.com/ > > We were concerned about the possibility of our son contracting whooping > cough (pertussis) the first 2 years of his life, > as it has been said that it's been making a come-back and that children > develop their lungs in the first 2 years. > We were fortunate in that regard. He has always been very healthy. > > When we travel, we will vaccinate for polio and Hep A ... > > Tetanus shots seem logical. Opinions? > > Any suggestions for vaccinations that seem reasonable after 3 years of life? > > K > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Hah <x.kymus.x (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> >> >> Greetings everyone, >> >> This is my first response to this group, so my apologies if I am screwing >> something up here with formatting, etc. >> >> In regards to vaccinations, I have found information published by Dr. Gary >> Null to be most informative; especially his book Vaccines: A Second >> Opinion >> (A lengthy preview of which can be found here: >> >> http://www.vaccinat ionnews.com/ DailyNews/ October2001/ VaxASecondOpinio n.htm). >> On Null's site there are some informative articles covering the subject ( >> http://www.garynull .com/articles/ index.php# 1-1)and also, Null recently >> made a documentary film entitled Vaccine Nation ( >> http://www.vaccinen ation.net/ , and you can watch it for free here: >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=6531447125 053615129); he sells a >> book by the same name which I believe (though I am not certain) is a >> republished edition of his Vaccines: A Second Opinion. >> >> Another source that I've found to be very informative was Dr. Sherry J. >> Tenpenny's Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices. What I find >> interesting about Tenpenny's position is that she is an Osteopath that >> used >> to be pro-vaccines and now has changed her opinion on the subject >> entirely. >> On Google Video there is a copy of the documentary version of her book >> (which can be found here: >> >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=7018835240 451107552 & ei=oCLmSaD- Opuo_AGpj7WHAQ) . >> >> >> In my own personal research, I am continually finding the same answers >> again and again: vaccines are not effective and are really >> counter-productive, if anything. I find it to be absurd that the issuance >> of >> vaccines has turned basically into gun-point-medicine where in some cases >> children are either vaccinated against the wishes of their parents, or are >> even taken away from them. >> >> I hope that this information will prove to be insightful >> >> - Josh Barton, C.M.T., H.H.C. >> >> >> > > -- > > Turtle Island Integrative Health > www.turtleclinic. com > > TCM Review director > CA State Board Prep Courses > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 not to mention there is a western rx anti-toxin that you could take if such a puncture wound exists that prevents the proliferation of the tetnus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 That is corrrect and only an anti-toxin makes any sense if trying to prevent toxin..... Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine herbsnacupnxr Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:11:52 +0000 Re: Mark - solo tetanus shot lead not to mention there is a western rx anti-toxin that you could take if such a puncture wound exists that prevents the proliferation of the tetnus. _______________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage\ 2_042009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Our youngest son, who has only received a tetanus vaccination (why add the trauma of a vaccination on top of the trauma of a sharp poke in the foot?), sat very calmly and watched with interest while he got his shot. Our pediatrician (who, bless her heart, does not pressure us about vaccinations) laughed heartily and said that the only kids in her practice who don't complain about getting shots are the kids whose parents are acupuncturists. Mind you, this is my youngest who thinks that Seirin reds are painful! But that's because I am the one poking him! Thanks for a lively discussion about such an important topic. cheers, Julia Carpenter, LAc Berkeley, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Indeed I found in records taken of early medicines that calendula was often used pressed into packings of the wound to avoid tetanus. Also castor oil packings apparently so effective as to even drag rust out of the injury site and also witch hazel. Indeed the early treatment of rabies bites took a hot poker to the site as the virus is temperature sensitive to high heat, that bein besides the ifformation that early rabies was so inneffective as not to even infect man easily unless a severe bite or bite to the head (cranium) shortening the distance to the cns.Would I get a vaccine today, NO, viral vaccines are barely effective, bacterin vaccines, vaccines against parasites not but anti toxin that would be a different consideration if a very deep rusty nail puncture. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:59:51 -0700 Re: Mark - solo tetanus shot lead Dear colleagues, As Doctor Mendelsohn, OMB, so articulately put it, tetanus doesn't come from rusty nails or dog bites--it comes from puncture wounds that have been allowed to fester and not bleed, thus trapping the Gram-positive obligate anaerobic bacterium Clostridium tetani. The key is that it is an anerobic bacteria. The solution and prevention is the same: when one has a puncture wound, BLEED IT, as quickly as possible drain out the contaminated superficial blood, then apply Yunnan BaiYao, Di Yu either in juice (if you can get it) or powder form, or a local antiseptic if you don't have herbs available, or don't know how to use them topically. Apply sterile gauze and bandage and change daily until a scab forms. You follow the above and you will never need to consider taking a tetanus shot. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Genevieve Le Goff <mellowmoonherbs wrote: Genevieve Le Goff <mellowmoonherbs Re: Mark - solo tetanus shot lead Chinese Medicine Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:02 PM Hi Mark, Our pediatrician Dr. Whitte at the Coastal Health Alliance in Bolinas offered us to special order separate vaccines back in the day, in order to try and munimize side effects. If you call the Point Reyes Clinic at (415)663-8666 they can give you his number in Bolinas (he heads both clinics but now only works in Bolinas, the number of which i do not have on hand). Best wishes, Genevieve. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Mark Milotay <mark (AT) mindbodyasone (DOT) com> wrote: Mark Milotay <mark (AT) mindbodyasone (DOT) com> Re: Influences in our decision not to vaccinate-neurology patients Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:24 AM We've been thinking of vaccinating for Tetanus, but I have not been able the toddler version of the vaccine without it being bundled with diptheria and polio. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a toddler load of the vaccine on its own? Thanks, Mark On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:48 AM, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > We didn't vaccinate our son either. Randall Neustaedter' s Vaccine Guide is > helpful in providing a second opinion. > http://www.cure- guide.com/ > > We were concerned about the possibility of our son contracting whooping > cough (pertussis) the first 2 years of his life, > as it has been said that it's been making a come-back and that children > develop their lungs in the first 2 years. > We were fortunate in that regard. He has always been very healthy. > > When we travel, we will vaccinate for polio and Hep A ... > > Tetanus shots seem logical. Opinions? > > Any suggestions for vaccinations that seem reasonable after 3 years of life? > > K > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Hah <x.kymus.x (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> >> >> Greetings everyone, >> >> This is my first response to this group, so my apologies if I am screwing >> something up here with formatting, etc. >> >> In regards to vaccinations, I have found information published by Dr. Gary >> Null to be most informative; especially his book Vaccines: A Second >> Opinion >> (A lengthy preview of which can be found here: >> >> http://www.vaccinat ionnews.com/ DailyNews/ October2001/ VaxASecondOpinio n.htm). >> On Null's site there are some informative articles covering the subject ( >> http://www.garynull .com/articles/ index.php# 1-1)and also, Null recently >> made a documentary film entitled Vaccine Nation ( >> http://www.vaccinen ation.net/ , and you can watch it for free here: >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=6531447125 053615129); he sells a >> book by the same name which I believe (though I am not certain) is a >> republished edition of his Vaccines: A Second Opinion. >> >> Another source that I've found to be very informative was Dr. Sherry J. >> Tenpenny's Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices. What I find >> interesting about Tenpenny's position is that she is an Osteopath that >> used >> to be pro-vaccines and now has changed her opinion on the subject >> entirely. >> On Google Video there is a copy of the documentary version of her book >> (which can be found here: >> >> http://video. google.com/ videoplay? docid=7018835240 451107552 & ei=oCLmSaD- Opuo_AGpj7WHAQ) . >> >> >> In my own personal research, I am continually finding the same answers >> again and again: vaccines are not effective and are really >> counter-productive, if anything. I find it to be absurd that the issuance >> of >> vaccines has turned basically into gun-point-medicine where in some cases >> children are either vaccinated against the wishes of their parents, or are >> even taken away from them. >> >> I hope that this information will prove to be insightful >> >> - Josh Barton, C.M.T., H.H.C. >> >> >> > > -- > > Turtle Island Integrative Health > www.turtleclinic. com > > TCM Review director > CA State Board Prep Courses > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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