the wrong direction of training, was this style/ that style

[Guest guest]

  Hi. I remember when I was sixteen, reading for the first time about

acupuncture, by a man Tomson Liang of San Diego, Calif. In a trippy but also

serious book about PSI phenomena.

 Probably about '74. I wrote to him, and to about a hundred embassies around the

world for someone to teach an american kid(me), about the this art of

acupuncture. It seemed wondrous, magical. A couple months passed, (this is

before the internet, just rotary phones, no message machines ), and I recieved a

couple letters, one from asia, 2 from mexico, and one from San Diego, Tomson

Liang, my master teacher.

 ****I packed up and went,  but before I went, I checked him out. I did phone

conersations

with his church, the Mandarin Church of God, which at that time was at 3441

Clairmont Mesa Blvd. San Diego Caifornia..., and verified with hospitals and

testimonials of people who knew him and he treated.

  I was a kid. A couple years passed, I grew up a little and I reconnected, and

he took me. I didn't have  ' a 4 year bachelor degree pre-requisite', and I

won't make that an obstacle for who I want to teach. I want interest and

flexible qi. The rest will come. He asked me to stay ten years.

 So when I hear the intellectual part of us wishing we had more smart, well

rounded college type students, I say,  are you f**king kidding me?  That doesn't

mean a damn thing.

 As practitioners and parents, we pass anything useful to our kids and friends.

And as a teacher of acupuncture-this medicine system-, you prepare lesson plans,

guiding from the basics to advanced, apparent to the occult. Introduce your own

way, but allow them, encourage and insist them to be broad minded. And if their

intelligence and ability surpasses your own, then you know you did a good job.

 I said before that every teacher-student relationship is idiosynchratic in

affinity and aversion. Yes, we can dryly teach basics as secong grade anatomy

with books with transparent TCM anatomical overlays over the muscle and nerves

and all, and we should, this is real.

  I'm saying, I don't want anybody regulating my tools, techniques or methods,

or who I teach. I will teach allopathic students, and street punks. I'm looking

for an opening. As some have said, we are unable to even find a consensus of

channel reality. Science is great. Yea. but

 There is nature.

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, <johnkokko wrote:

<johnkokko

Re: Re: Response to the recent thread regarding Tan/Chen/Tung

styles of acupuncture

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 11:06 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lonny,

 

Do you think that there should be a 4 year bachelor degree pre-requisite

 

before entering TCM college?

 

 

 

I think that a humanities degree can prime a Chinese medicine practitioner

 

in a more effective way

 

than a pre-med degree can, but of course that all depends on what your goal

 

in healing is...

 

If your goal is to make money and integrate with mainstream medical systems,

 

then the " orange meme "

 

value system is critical. If your goal is to get to the core of the person

 

and affect long term life style changes,

 

then the practitioner needs to see and speak to the world through a

 

different value system.

 

 

 

Can you talk about what kind of meme value system is needed to work on those

 

layers of humanity?

 

 

 

K

 

 

 

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:01 PM, sppdestiny <Revolution (AT) nycap (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> The problem is that for which the patient complains, it is not what

 

> either you

 

> nor I think, but the patient's complaint.

 

>

 

> Lonny: Google " orange meme " . What you are conveying is a VALUE SYSTEM

 

> not a fixed reality. And it happens to be one that emerged in the

 

> 1800's. It also, is wholly consistent with your notion that

 

> practitioners of CM should have a " premed " background. Both are

 

> " ORANGE meme " values.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

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