Help needed for personal Autism case

December 16, 2008

I am looking for help for my 7yo son with Autism. We have had steady growth

since his diagnosis 4 years ago and have never used TCM. I would like some

help especially since I am his mom and may miss something and also I don't

particularly practice pediatrics/neurological disorders. I am particularly

looking for herbal advice.

At 3 Tristan was a screaming, handflapping, nonverbal mess of a child. He

now is a happy 7 yo mainstreamed and doing awesome, we really are close to

recovery. I really need help with his focus/attention, auditory processing,

and leaky gut issues/weak nutrient absorption, viral issues.

S & S

Normal weight/solid feels heavier than looks, short stature, too short for

age

Good skin tone

Trunk and arm muscles hypotonic

Late end of milestone marks

Lost language, now has full language but has the following issues: not

clearly communicating thoughts, starts in the middle of a thought – no lead

in, no conversational language, all expressive issues

Acute visual and hearing – 20/20 and tests out hearing machine at its

highest levels, covers ears at times (this has steadily improved)

Focus and attention deficits – probably our biggest issue, especially in a

classroom setting

Auditory processing disorder – input is much better one on one, poor

listening skills in group/classroom situations

Symptoms improve with illness and anger (suspect viral issue)

Used to be aggressive (this has steadily improved)

Zones out

In general very passive, unmotivated, could easily slip through the cracks,

quiet

Extremely loving nature, definitely feels emotion

Does things for purpose not just because, for example doesn't chit-chat this

is pointless to him.

Good reading skills, poor math and art skills

Very visual

Balance, coordination, proprioceptive issues (3-4 year level), can't cross

midline

Can get hyper with physical exercise

Play – likes other kids but doesn't really know how to start or maintain

play, kids just think he's shy

Constipation – every other day (getting better with magnesium and yeast tx)

Sleep – insomnia – will be awake for hours sitting quietly in his room

Milk allergy, enzyme therapy has been phenomenal for this, Leaky Gut

Had DPT, HIB, and Prevnar at 2, 4, 6 months, reacted more severely with

each group w/ the last one inconsolable crying for 18 hours, fever, lump in

leg at vax site, decided to no longer vax

Tongue: slightly pale, red tip w/ notch that curls up, white going to pale

yellow coat in back, small cracks mid tongue, very quivery

Pulse: rapid (100bpm), irregularly irregular (seems to be new), thread

Bio Med Txs – see other email post about heartbeat it has supplements listed

My thoughts: Sp qi xu w/ damp, Ht qi/blood xu w/ some signs of heat but not

excessive, Kid qi and essence xu, phlegm misting the mind/orifices/heart

This is an herbal formula I found by

http://chineseacupuncture-wnc.com/pdfs/cm_autism_practitioner.pdf

*Basic Autism Formulas*

*Deficiency Shi Syndrome Syndrome*

Shi Chang Pu Shi Chang Pu

Yuan Zhi Yuan Zhi

Tian Zhu Huang Tian Zhu Huang

Qian Shi Qian Shi

Long Chi Long Chi

Bai Zhu Huang Lian

Tian Nan Xing Rou Gui

Bei Xie Suan Zao Ren

Bai Zi Ren Hu Po

Xi Yang Shen Dan Zhu Ye

Chuan Xiong Yu Jin

I was thinking the def formula with some Yu Jin, Bai He, He Shou Wu and Dang

Gui

I'd love input, dosage ideas, herbal ideas, etc I am overwhelmed with just

moving, starting a new clinic (again!), recovering my son, and having 3

small children, etc and don't want to mess this up and not much time to

research.

Please ask any questions,

Thanks!!!

Julie

December 16, 2008

Some clarification on pulse - I forgot to write that it is slippery. Also

last night when I was awake in the middle of the night (yes mom needs a

treatment too, lol) it occured to me in one of those " duh " moments that

children have a higher heart rate than adults, with research the normal hb

up to 10 yrs is 70-120, so his pulse is not rapid in terms of children, I'd

be interested in what any of the peds practitioners out there think in terms

of TCM?

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam wrote:

> I am looking for help for my 7yo son with Autism. We have had steady

> growth since his diagnosis 4 years ago and have never used TCM. I would

> like some help especially since I am his mom and may miss something and also

> I don't particularly practice pediatrics/neurological disorders. I am

> particularly looking for herbal advice.

>

> At 3 Tristan was a screaming, handflapping, nonverbal mess of a child. He

> now is a happy 7 yo mainstreamed and doing awesome, we really are close to

> recovery. I really need help with his focus/attention, auditory processing,

> and leaky gut issues/weak nutrient absorption, viral issues.

>

> S & S

> Normal weight/solid feels heavier than looks, short stature, too short for

> age

>

> Good skin tone

>

> Trunk and arm muscles hypotonic

>

> Late end of milestone marks

>

> Lost language, now has full language but has the following issues: not

> clearly communicating thoughts, starts in the middle of a thought – no lead

> in, no conversational language, all expressive issues

>

> Acute visual and hearing – 20/20 and tests out hearing machine at its

> highest levels, covers ears at times (this has steadily improved)

>

> Focus and attention deficits – probably our biggest issue, especially in a

> classroom setting

>

> Auditory processing disorder – input is much better one on one, poor

> listening skills in group/classroom situations

>

> Symptoms improve with illness and anger (suspect viral issue)

>

> Used to be aggressive (this has steadily improved)

>

> Zones out

>

> In general very passive, unmotivated, could easily slip through the cracks,

> quiet

>

> Extremely loving nature, definitely feels emotion

>

> Does things for purpose not just because, for example doesn't chit-chat

> this is pointless to him.

>

> Good reading skills, poor math and art skills

>

> Very visual

>

> Balance, coordination, proprioceptive issues (3-4 year level), can't cross

> midline

>

> Can get hyper with physical exercise

>

> Play – likes other kids but doesn't really know how to start or maintain

> play, kids just think he's shy

>

> Constipation – every other day (getting better with magnesium and yeast tx)

>

> Sleep – insomnia – will be awake for hours sitting quietly in his room

> Milk allergy, enzyme therapy has been phenomenal for this, Leaky Gut

> Had DPT, HIB, and Prevnar at 2, 4, 6 months, reacted more severely with

> each group w/ the last one inconsolable crying for 18 hours, fever, lump in

> leg at vax site, decided to no longer vax

>

> Tongue: slightly pale, red tip w/ notch that curls up, white going to pale

> yellow coat in back, small cracks mid tongue, very quivery

>

> Pulse: rapid (100bpm), irregularly irregular (seems to be new), thread

>

> Bio Med Txs – see other email post about heartbeat it has supplements

> listed

>

> My thoughts: Sp qi xu w/ damp, Ht qi/blood xu w/ some signs of heat but not

> excessive, Kid qi and essence xu, phlegm misting the mind/orifices/heart

>

> This is an herbal formula I found by

> http://chineseacupuncture-wnc.com/pdfs/cm_autism_practitioner.pdf

>

> *Basic Autism Formulas*

>

> *Deficiency Shi Syndrome Syndrome*

>

> Shi Chang Pu Shi Chang Pu

>

> Yuan Zhi Yuan Zhi

>

> Tian Zhu Huang Tian Zhu Huang

>

> Qian Shi Qian Shi

>

> Long Chi Long Chi

>

> Bai Zhu Huang Lian

>

> Tian Nan Xing Rou Gui

>

> Bei Xie Suan Zao Ren

>

> Bai Zi Ren Hu Po

>

> Xi Yang Shen Dan Zhu Ye

>

> Chuan Xiong Yu Jin

>

> I was thinking the def formula with some Yu Jin, Bai He, He Shou Wu and

> Dang Gui

>

> I'd love input, dosage ideas, herbal ideas, etc I am overwhelmed with just

> moving, starting a new clinic (again!), recovering my son, and having 3

> small children, etc and don't want to mess this up and not much time to

> research.

>

> Please ask any questions,

>

> Thanks!!!

>

> Julie

>

--

Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

December 17, 2008

Just curious did he have several vaccines in a row? Chlorella algae

(cracked cell wall)can help detox heavy metals from vaccines, also

cilantro juice...Some autism is like chrohn's disease creating a

phlegm in the brain so herbs like chang pu and yuan zhi for the brain

and herbs that sooth and cool the intestines(da huang) and boost the

metabolism of toxin(spleen herbs)...Then there is progression to food

allergies(boost spleen, clean colon) and precicios puberty(tonify yin

strongly).

You could try something like very mild doses of run chang wan and bai

zi ren wan to start.

From your description of the tongue it sounds like damp in the l.j.

heat in the heart and wind, cracks and skinny arms stomach

inflammation heat.

You could do some minimal acupuncture kids get rapid results from few

needles:

A simple treatment would be like needle rn 4(touch the needle tip to

the peritonium) or s.i lower he sea point, shen men or ear shen men,

or rn14(don't go deep danger), st36 or rn12(touch peritonium, lv1(wood

controls wind) or gb8 or 7 or gb 20(you can thread gb20 to anmen to

make it safer on a moving kid), maybe add sp3 or 6, bai hui, 4 devils

do only a few points at a time and do it 2-3 times a week to really

help him.

You could do some minimal acupuncture kids get fast result:

Chinese Medicine , " Julie Ormonde "

<cariadanam wrote:

>

> Some clarification on pulse - I forgot to write that it is slippery.

Also

> last night when I was awake in the middle of the night (yes mom needs a

> treatment too, lol) it occured to me in one of those " duh " moments that

> children have a higher heart rate than adults, with research the

normal hb

> up to 10 yrs is 70-120, so his pulse is not rapid in terms of

children, I'd

> be interested in what any of the peds practitioners out there think

in terms

> of TCM?

>

> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam wrote:

>

> > I am looking for help for my 7yo son with Autism. We have had steady

> > growth since his diagnosis 4 years ago and have never used TCM. I

would

> > like some help especially since I am his mom and may miss

something and also

> > I don't particularly practice pediatrics/neurological disorders. I am

> > particularly looking for herbal advice.

> >

> > At 3 Tristan was a screaming, handflapping, nonverbal mess of a

child. He

> > now is a happy 7 yo mainstreamed and doing awesome, we really are

close to

> > recovery. I really need help with his focus/attention, auditory

processing,

> > and leaky gut issues/weak nutrient absorption, viral issues.

> >

> > S & S

> > Normal weight/solid feels heavier than looks, short stature, too

short for

> > age

> >

> > Good skin tone

> >

> > Trunk and arm muscles hypotonic

> >

> > Late end of milestone marks

> >

> > Lost language, now has full language but has the following issues: not

> > clearly communicating thoughts, starts in the middle of a thought

– no lead

> > in, no conversational language, all expressive issues

> >

> > Acute visual and hearing – 20/20 and tests out hearing machine at its

> > highest levels, covers ears at times (this has steadily improved)

> >

> > Focus and attention deficits – probably our biggest issue,

especially in a

> > classroom setting

> >

> > Auditory processing disorder – input is much better one on one, poor

> > listening skills in group/classroom situations

> >

> > Symptoms improve with illness and anger (suspect viral issue)

> >

> > Used to be aggressive (this has steadily improved)

> >

> > Zones out

> >

> > In general very passive, unmotivated, could easily slip through

the cracks,

> > quiet

> >

> > Extremely loving nature, definitely feels emotion

> >

> > Does things for purpose not just because, for example doesn't

chit-chat

> > this is pointless to him.

> >

> > Good reading skills, poor math and art skills

> >

> > Very visual

> >

> > Balance, coordination, proprioceptive issues (3-4 year level),

can't cross

> > midline

> >

> > Can get hyper with physical exercise

> >

> > Play – likes other kids but doesn't really know how to start or

maintain

> > play, kids just think he's shy

> >

> > Constipation – every other day (getting better with magnesium and

yeast tx)

> >

> > Sleep – insomnia – will be awake for hours sitting quietly in his room

> > Milk allergy, enzyme therapy has been phenomenal for this, Leaky Gut

> > Had DPT, HIB, and Prevnar at 2, 4, 6 months, reacted more

severely with

> > each group w/ the last one inconsolable crying for 18 hours,

fever, lump in

> > leg at vax site, decided to no longer vax

> >

> > Tongue: slightly pale, red tip w/ notch that curls up, white going

to pale

> > yellow coat in back, small cracks mid tongue, very quivery

> >

> > Pulse: rapid (100bpm), irregularly irregular (seems to be new), thread

> >

> > Bio Med Txs – see other email post about heartbeat it has supplements

> > listed

> >

> > My thoughts: Sp qi xu w/ damp, Ht qi/blood xu w/ some signs of

heat but not

> > excessive, Kid qi and essence xu, phlegm misting the

mind/orifices/heart

> >

> > This is an herbal formula I found by

> > http://chineseacupuncture-wnc.com/pdfs/cm_autism_practitioner.pdf

> >

> > *Basic Autism Formulas*

> >

> > *Deficiency Shi Syndrome Syndrome*

> >

> > Shi Chang Pu Shi Chang Pu

> >

> > Yuan Zhi Yuan Zhi

> >

> > Tian Zhu Huang Tian Zhu Huang

> >

> > Qian Shi Qian Shi

> >

> > Long Chi Long Chi

> >

> > Bai Zhu Huang Lian

> >

> > Tian Nan Xing Rou Gui

> >

> > Bei Xie Suan Zao Ren

> >

> > Bai Zi Ren Hu Po

> >

> > Xi Yang Shen Dan Zhu Ye

> >

> > Chuan Xiong Yu Jin

> >

> > I was thinking the def formula with some Yu Jin, Bai He, He Shou

Wu and

> > Dang Gui

> >

> > I'd love input, dosage ideas, herbal ideas, etc I am overwhelmed

with just

> > moving, starting a new clinic (again!), recovering my son, and

having 3

> > small children, etc and don't want to mess this up and not much

time to

> > research.

> >

> > Please ask any questions,

> >

> > Thanks!!!

> >

> > Julie

> >

>

> --

> Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>

December 17, 2008

Dear Julie,

To me Autism is a kind of mental disturbance, not physical problem.

We , TCM , all try to look for phlegm, blood or Qi stagnation,heat or

cold , deficiency or excess, we may not find a solution for it.

I have seen a few cases of autism. Personally, I think a child had

or has been mentally abused - some parents defended themselves, " Oh,

that would never happen... To me, " Who knows ? " -. He or she became

timid, scared or frightened of others including his or her own

parents. The child loses faith in their love ones and subconsciously

thinks that they will never help or protect him or her. This child

then isolates himself or herself to protect his or her

own.................... Has the child been taking care by someone

else? By relatives? By agents? By neighbors?

I seen the child has lost his or her love and trust. I have seen a

child had been physically abused by his or her step ( father or mother

), or caretaker. And when he or she reported to his or her parents,

they took it lightly, the child has been hurt and lost trust in them.

I had advised the parents to spend more time and find out what a

child most interested in... Learn and work together with him or her

and give him interest, listen to him more, give him more love, and

assure that your action provide his protection. As long as a child has

gained love , interested , and trust in you, you can lead him out of

autism. Give him confidence that he can stand up and fight for his own...

Ex : If a child loves cartoon, watch with him, then ask him the

character's name, and what he like about that character. If he loves

to draw, ask him to teach us how to draw, and ask him for grading...

Make him feel important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER TURN AWAY FROM HIM

WHEN HE NEED US AND NEVER USE NEGATIVE COMPLIMENTS...

Good luck Julie !

Nam Nguyen

December 17, 2008

Nam, if you recall we round and round awhile back about this subject and I

respectfully ask that you keep your opionions to yourself.

Thank You

Julie

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM, dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58wrote:

> Dear Julie,

> To me Autism is a kind of mental disturbance, not physical problem.

> We , TCM , all try to look for phlegm, blood or Qi stagnation,heat or

> cold , deficiency or excess, we may not find a solution for it.

> I have seen a few cases of autism. Personally, I think a child had

> or has been mentally abused - some parents defended themselves, " Oh,

> that would never happen... To me, " Who knows ? " -. He or she became

> timid, scared or frightened of others including his or her own

> parents. The child loses faith in their love ones and subconsciously

> thinks that they will never help or protect him or her. This child

> then isolates himself or herself to protect his or her

> own.................... Has the child been taking care by someone

> else? By relatives? By agents? By neighbors?

> I seen the child has lost his or her love and trust. I have seen a

> child had been physically abused by his or her step ( father or mother

> ), or caretaker. And when he or she reported to his or her parents,

> they took it lightly, the child has been hurt and lost trust in them.

> I had advised the parents to spend more time and find out what a

> child most interested in... Learn and work together with him or her

> and give him interest, listen to him more, give him more love, and

> assure that your action provide his protection. As long as a child has

> gained love , interested , and trust in you, you can lead him out of

> autism. Give him confidence that he can stand up and fight for his own...

> Ex : If a child loves cartoon, watch with him, then ask him the

> character's name, and what he like about that character. If he loves

> to draw, ask him to teach us how to draw, and ask him for grading...

> Make him feel important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER TURN AWAY FROM HIM

> WHEN HE NEED US AND NEVER USE NEGATIVE COMPLIMENTS...

>

> Good luck Julie !

>

> Nam Nguyen

>

--

Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

December 18, 2008

Dear Julie and or with Dr. Mark Milotay, and or to all,

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, everybody !!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry for my words of expression. I do not mean to teach or

offend or try to provoke anyone. If I had, there was not intention.

Again, I truly apologize for all of my actions.

I have tried to share information that I came across, by no mean

of teaching nor insulting anybody. If all messages I shared that have

offended someone, please forgive me, in my heart I had no intention.

Information is for thought and idea to work out more. It is an idea of

one's approach or experience, it should not literally be taken as a

definition........... Probably, I had used certain words or phrases

which have hurt someone, please correct me.

Dr. Mark Milotay, if you feel that my messages won't help, thanks

for your judgment. I will not post any again. But what message has

offended our fellowship, I do not get this. Please help me to correct

my behavior. Please forgive me ! And please ask the administrator to

remove my name from this group, for my misbehavior.

Sincerely,

Thanks to all,

Nam Nguyen

Chinese Medicine , " Julie Ormonde "

<cariadanam wrote:

>

> Nam, if you recall we round and round awhile back about this subject

and I

> respectfully ask that you keep your opionions to yourself.

>

> Thank You

> Julie

>

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM, dr_namnguyen58

<dr_namnguyen58wrote:

>

> > Dear Julie,

> > To me Autism is a kind of mental disturbance, not physical problem.

> > We , TCM , all try to look for phlegm, blood or Qi stagnation,heat or

> > cold , deficiency or excess, we may not find a solution for it.

> > I have seen a few cases of autism. Personally, I think a child had

> > or has been mentally abused - some parents defended themselves, " Oh,

> > that would never happen... To me, " Who knows ? " -. He or she became

> > timid, scared or frightened of others including his or her own

> > parents. The child loses faith in their love ones and subconsciously

> > thinks that they will never help or protect him or her. This child

> > then isolates himself or herself to protect his or her

> > own.................... Has the child been taking care by someone

> > else? By relatives? By agents? By neighbors?

> > I seen the child has lost his or her love and trust. I have seen a

> > child had been physically abused by his or her step ( father or mother

> > ), or caretaker. And when he or she reported to his or her parents,

> > they took it lightly, the child has been hurt and lost trust in them.

> > I had advised the parents to spend more time and find out what a

> > child most interested in... Learn and work together with him or her

> > and give him interest, listen to him more, give him more love, and

> > assure that your action provide his protection. As long as a child has

> > gained love , interested , and trust in you, you can lead him out of

> > autism. Give him confidence that he can stand up and fight for his

own...

> > Ex : If a child loves cartoon, watch with him, then ask him the

> > character's name, and what he like about that character. If he loves

> > to draw, ask him to teach us how to draw, and ask him for grading...

> > Make him feel important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER TURN AWAY FROM HIM

> > WHEN HE NEED US AND NEVER USE NEGATIVE COMPLIMENTS...

> >

> > Good luck Julie !

> >

> > Nam Nguyen

> >

>

> --

> Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>

December 18, 2008

Nam,

Think before you speak. A mother appealed for help for her autistic

son, and you post some nonsense about it being caused by abuse. Aside

from the fact that it isn't true, how do you think this makes a mother

feel to hear something like that? She is already undergoing great

difficulty due to a tragedy, and then you blame her?

Your apology seems sincere, but it is best to avoid offending people

in the first place. There are always going to be disagreements, but

you really crossed the line this time.

- Bill

Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 "

<dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> Dear Julie and or with Dr. Mark Milotay, and or to all,

>

> Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, everybody !!!!!!!!!!

>

> I am sorry for my words of expression. I do not mean to teach or

> offend or try to provoke anyone. If I had, there was not intention.

> Again, I truly apologize for all of my actions.

> I have tried to share information that I came across, by no mean

> of teaching nor insulting anybody. If all messages I shared that have

> offended someone, please forgive me, in my heart I had no intention.

> Information is for thought and idea to work out more. It is an idea of

> one's approach or experience, it should not literally be taken as a

> definition........... Probably, I had used certain words or phrases

> which have hurt someone, please correct me.

> Dr. Mark Milotay, if you feel that my messages won't help, thanks

> for your judgment. I will not post any again. But what message has

> offended our fellowship, I do not get this. Please help me to correct

> my behavior. Please forgive me ! And please ask the administrator to

> remove my name from this group, for my misbehavior.

>

> Sincerely,

> Thanks to all,

>

> Nam Nguyen

Chinese Medicine , " Julie Ormonde "

> <cariadanam@> wrote:

> >

> > Nam, if you recall we round and round awhile back about this subject

> and I

> > respectfully ask that you keep your opionions to yourself.

> >

> > Thank You

> > Julie

> >

> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM, dr_namnguyen58

> <dr_namnguyen58@>wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Julie,

> > > To me Autism is a kind of mental disturbance, not physical problem.

> > > We , TCM , all try to look for phlegm, blood or Qi

stagnation,heat or

> > > cold , deficiency or excess, we may not find a solution for it.

> > > I have seen a few cases of autism. Personally, I think a child had

> > > or has been mentally abused - some parents defended themselves,

" Oh,

> > > that would never happen... To me, " Who knows ? " -. He or she became

> > > timid, scared or frightened of others including his or her own

> > > parents. The child loses faith in their love ones and subconsciously

> > > thinks that they will never help or protect him or her. This child

> > > then isolates himself or herself to protect his or her

> > > own.................... Has the child been taking care by someone

> > > else? By relatives? By agents? By neighbors?

> > > I seen the child has lost his or her love and trust. I have seen a

> > > child had been physically abused by his or her step ( father or

mother

> > > ), or caretaker. And when he or she reported to his or her parents,

> > > they took it lightly, the child has been hurt and lost trust in

them.

> > > I had advised the parents to spend more time and find out what a

> > > child most interested in... Learn and work together with him or her

> > > and give him interest, listen to him more, give him more love, and

> > > assure that your action provide his protection. As long as a

child has

> > > gained love , interested , and trust in you, you can lead him out of

> > > autism. Give him confidence that he can stand up and fight for his

> own...

> > > Ex : If a child loves cartoon, watch with him, then ask him the

> > > character's name, and what he like about that character. If he loves

> > > to draw, ask him to teach us how to draw, and ask him for grading...

> > > Make him feel important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER TURN AWAY FROM HIM

> > > WHEN HE NEED US AND NEVER USE NEGATIVE COMPLIMENTS...

> > >

> > > Good luck Julie !

> > >

> > > Nam Nguyen

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.

> > www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

> >

December 18, 2008

yes and organic spinach leaves are heavy metal detox agents. the AFA Blue green

algae or chlorella and as is cilantro. there are homeopathic detox preps,don't

forget the enzyme and probiotic therapy. everything I have researched in both

humans and animals screams the autism and learning disabilities are due to the

pannectrotizing sclerosing effects on the brain.......was listed in Harrison's

Internal Medicine Book as a post vaccinal sequelae for something about 16 years

before they realized this showed the reader the known pathology. An MD,

Dr.Rebecca Carley advocates the above products, homeopathy for the vaccinosis

and also the glyconutrients. the glutamine receptors are affected and the damage

to the developing neural tissue/brain is a risk now that few will take once

enlightened to the damning effects of vaccine administration that have been

hidden from not only the public but the great majority of the medical doctors

who minion out their dispersal.I sincerely believe this is pathology that is a

government sanctioned program and when the information is more available we will

all see that there has been no greater medical assumption that has lead to more

death, disease and physical breakdown than the vaccine.

Mental abuse? I can hand you piles of mental problems from the metalluric

synergestic action of alum and mercury in aggression, anxiety,behavioral and

learning disabilites from vaccines.............this mother knowing now what I

have seen in practice and in research....would NEVER have allowed myself to be

so heavily vaccinated nor my children and I don't advocate vaccines for any

animals.Indeed reversing this damage is of great research interest, reversing

genetic damage is still a quest, we know how the damage was done but not how to

reverse it, with anything, TCM or allopathic.I would advise that someone

knowledgeable with the hazards in detoxing be afforded guidance of the

situation, water and protection of the kidney and liver has never been more

important.Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

: jasonwcom:

Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:39:45 +0000Re: Help needed for personal

Autism case

Just curious did he have several vaccines in a row? Chlorella algae(cracked cell

wall)can help detox heavy metals from vaccines, alsocilantro juice...Some autism

is like chrohn's disease creating aphlegm in the brain so herbs like chang pu

and yuan zhi for the brainand herbs that sooth and cool the intestines(da huang)

and boost themetabolism of toxin(spleen herbs)...Then there is progression to

foodallergies(boost spleen, clean colon) and precicios puberty(tonify

yinstrongly).You could try something like very mild doses of run chang wan and

baizi ren wan to start.From your description of the tongue it sounds like damp

in the l.j.heat in the heart and wind, cracks and skinny arms

stomachinflammation heat. You could do some minimal acupuncture kids get rapid

results from fewneedles: A simple treatment would be like needle rn 4(touch the

needle tip tothe peritonium) or s.i lower he sea point, shen men or ear shen

men,or rn14(don't go deep danger), st36 or rn12(touch peritonium,

lv1(woodcontrols wind) or gb8 or 7 or gb 20(you can thread gb20 to anmen tomake

it safer on a moving kid), maybe add sp3 or 6, bai hui, 4 devilsdo only a few

points at a time and do it 2-3 times a week to reallyhelp him.You could do some

minimal acupuncture kids get fast result: --- In

Chinese Medicine , " Julie Ormonde " <cariadanam

wrote:>> Some clarification on pulse - I forgot to write that it is

slippery.Also> last night when I was awake in the middle of the night (yes mom

needs a> treatment too, lol) it occured to me in one of those " duh " moments

that> children have a higher heart rate than adults, with research thenormal hb>

up to 10 yrs is 70-120, so his pulse is not rapid in terms ofchildren, I'd> be

interested in what any of the peds practitioners out there thinkin terms> of

TCM?> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam wrote:>

> > I am looking for help for my 7yo son with Autism. We have had steady> >

growth since his diagnosis 4 years ago and have never used TCM. Iwould> > like

some help especially since I am his mom and may misssomething and also> > I

don't particularly practice pediatrics/neurological disorders. I am> >

particularly looking for herbal advice.> >> >> >> > At 3 Tristan was a

screaming, handflapping, nonverbal mess of achild. He> > now is a happy 7 yo

mainstreamed and doing awesome, we really areclose to> > recovery. I really need

help with his focus/attention, auditoryprocessing,> > and leaky gut issues/weak

nutrient absorption, viral issues.> >> >> > S & S> > Normal weight/solid feels

heavier than looks, short stature, tooshort for> > age> >> > Good skin tone> >>

> Trunk and arm muscles hypotonic> >> > Late end of milestone marks> >> > Lost

language, now has full language but has the following issues: not> > clearly

communicating thoughts, starts in the middle of a thought– no lead> > in, no

conversational language, all expressive issues> >> > Acute visual and hearing –

20/20 and tests out hearing machine at its> > highest levels, covers ears at

times (this has steadily improved)> >> > Focus and attention deficits – probably

our biggest issue,especially in a> > classroom setting> >> > Auditory processing

disorder – input is much better one on one, poor> > listening skills in

group/classroom situations> >> > Symptoms improve with illness and anger

(suspect viral issue)> >> > Used to be aggressive (this has steadily improved)>

>> > Zones out> >> > In general very passive, unmotivated, could easily slip

throughthe cracks,> > quiet> >> > Extremely loving nature, definitely feels

emotion> >> > Does things for purpose not just because, for example

doesn'tchit-chat> > this is pointless to him.> >> > Good reading skills, poor

math and art skills> >> > Very visual> >> > Balance, coordination,

proprioceptive issues (3-4 year level),can't cross> > midline> >> > Can get

hyper with physical exercise> >> > Play – likes other kids but doesn't really

know how to start ormaintain> > play, kids just think he's shy> >> >

Constipation – every other day (getting better with magnesium andyeast tx)> >> >

Sleep – insomnia – will be awake for hours sitting quietly in his room> > Milk

allergy, enzyme therapy has been phenomenal for this, Leaky Gut> > Had DPT, HIB,

and Prevnar at 2, 4, 6 months, reacted moreseverely with> > each group w/ the

last one inconsolable crying for 18 hours,fever, lump in> > leg at vax site,

decided to no longer vax> >> >> >> > Tongue: slightly pale, red tip w/ notch

that curls up, white goingto pale> > yellow coat in back, small cracks mid

tongue, very quivery> >> > Pulse: rapid (100bpm), irregularly irregular (seems

to be new), thread> >> >> >> > Bio Med Txs – see other email post about

heartbeat it has supplements> > listed> >> >> >> > My thoughts: Sp qi xu w/

damp, Ht qi/blood xu w/ some signs ofheat but not> > excessive, Kid qi and

essence xu, phlegm misting themind/orifices/heart> >> >> >> > This is an herbal

formula I found by> >

http://chineseacupuncture-wnc.com/pdfs/cm_autism_practitioner.pdf> >> >> >> >

*Basic Autism Formulas*> >> > *Deficiency Shi Syndrome Syndrome*> >> > Shi Chang

Pu Shi Chang Pu> >> > Yuan Zhi Yuan Zhi> >> > Tian Zhu Huang Tian Zhu Huang> >>

> Qian Shi Qian Shi> >> > Long Chi Long Chi> >> > Bai Zhu Huang Lian> >> > Tian

Nan Xing Rou Gui> >> > Bei Xie Suan Zao Ren> >> > Bai Zi Ren Hu Po> >> > Xi Yang

Shen Dan Zhu Ye> >> > Chuan Xiong Yu Jin> >> >> >> > I was thinking the def

formula with some Yu Jin, Bai He, He ShouWu and> > Dang Gui> >> >> >> > I'd love

input, dosage ideas, herbal ideas, etc I am overwhelmedwith just> > moving,

starting a new clinic (again!), recovering my son, andhaving 3> > small

children, etc and don't want to mess this up and not muchtime to> > research.>

>> >> >> > Please ask any questions,> >> >> >> > Thanks!!!> >> > Julie> >> > > >

-- > Julie Ormonde, L.Ac.> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com> > > [Non-text

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December 18, 2008

Hi Patricia, Julie. Autism as a result of vaccinations was and is getting

attention. Do you think chelation therapy would be something to pursue in

addition to the advice you already listed? e.g.;

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/treatment/chelationsafety.htm

--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote:

Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic

RE: Re: Help needed for personal Autism case

" traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Thursday, December 18, 2008, 4:02 PM

yes and organic spinach leaves are heavy metal detox agents. the AFA Blue green

algae or chlorella and as is cilantro. there are homeopathic detox

preps,don't forget the enzyme and probiotic therapy. everything I have

researched in both humans and animals screams the autism and learning

disabilities are due to the pannectrotizing sclerosing effects on the

brain.......was listed in Harrison's Internal Medicine Book as a post

vaccinal sequelae for something about 16 years before they realized this showed

the reader the known pathology. An MD, Dr.Rebecca Carley advocates the above

products, homeopathy for the vaccinosis and also the glyconutrients. the

glutamine receptors are affected and the damage to the developing neural

tissue/brain is a risk now that few will take once enlightened to the damning

effects of vaccine administration that have been hidden from not only the public

but the great majority of the medical doctors who minion out their dispersal.I

sincerely believe this is pathology that is a government sanctioned program and

when the information is more available we will all see that there has been no

greater medical assumption that has lead to more death, disease and physical

breakdown than the vaccine.