Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Jason - I don't have any articles on this subject, and I know that it's generally not kosher to suggest a formula for a western disease/ condition, but my teacher Dr. Shen was a fan of a standard formula called Yi Gan San for the treatment of sleep bruxism/teeth grinding/ TMJ. Yi Gan San is traditionally used to course and soothe the Liver, settle spasms, and quiet the spirit, and there is a good discussion of it in Andy Ellis' book, " Notes from South Mountain " . I found this formula to also be clinically superior for patients that have problems winding down and falling asleep at night (what I call " monkey mind " ) - and of course many of these " types " coincidentally also grind their teeth at night, and complain of TMJ-related neck and shoulder tension and headaches. Another terrific thing about this Rx. is that it can be prescribed in one dose just before bed, i.e. 2-4 caps 30 minutes before bed, and the patient will have a good night's sleep, and over the course of several days to weeks, the teeth grinding and TMJ symptoms typically subside. I know that most TCM Practitioners will cringe at this comparison, but the way this formula works reminds me of Xanax, without the habit- forming/addictive side effects. For example, I also have given this Rx (same dose as above) to patients who are afraid of flying, and it helps to alleviate their anxiety, and help them sleep on the plane without sedatives. Hope this helps somewhat, Ray Rubio, DAOM (FABORM) On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth > grinding. I > was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this > topic in > either Chinese or English. Thanks, > > -Jason > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > Boulder, Co > 80301 > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig & lang=en > > > Want a signature like this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Just curious, is this the Rx you are referring to? Angelica sinensis 366 mg, Glycyrrhiza glabra 60 mg, Ligusticum wallichii 366 mg, Bupleurum chinensis 610 mg, Poria cocos 366 mg, Uncaria rhynchophyllaL 366 mg, Atractylodes macrocephala 366 mg -Jason On Behalf Of Ray Rubio Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:30 AM Re: sleep bruxism Jason - I don't have any articles on this subject, and I know that it's generally not kosher to suggest a formula for a western disease/ condition, but my teacher Dr. Shen was a fan of a standard formula called Yi Gan San for the treatment of sleep bruxism/teeth grinding/ TMJ. Yi Gan San is traditionally used to course and soothe the Liver, settle spasms, and quiet the spirit, and there is a good discussion of it in Andy Ellis' book, " Notes from South Mountain " . I found this formula to also be clinically superior for patients that have problems winding down and falling asleep at night (what I call " monkey mind " ) - and of course many of these " types " coincidentally also grind their teeth at night, and complain of TMJ-related neck and shoulder tension and headaches. Another terrific thing about this Rx. is that it can be prescribed in one dose just before bed, i.e. 2-4 caps 30 minutes before bed, and the patient will have a good night's sleep, and over the course of several days to weeks, the teeth grinding and TMJ symptoms typically subside. I know that most TCM Practitioners will cringe at this comparison, but the way this formula works reminds me of Xanax, without the habit- forming/addictive side effects. For example, I also have given this Rx (same dose as above) to patients who are afraid of flying, and it helps to alleviate their anxiety, and help them sleep on the plane without sedatives. Hope this helps somewhat, Ray Rubio, DAOM (FABORM) On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth > grinding. I > was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this > topic in > either Chinese or English. Thanks, > > -Jason > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > Boulder, Co > 80301 > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig & lang=en> & lang=en > > > Want a signature like this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yup. Ray. On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:11 AM, wrote: > Just curious, is this the Rx you are referring to? > > Angelica sinensis 366 mg, Glycyrrhiza glabra 60 mg, Ligusticum > wallichii 366 > mg, Bupleurum chinensis 610 mg, Poria cocos 366 mg, Uncaria > rhynchophyllaL > 366 mg, Atractylodes macrocephala 366 mg > > -Jason > > > On Behalf Of Ray Rubio > Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:30 AM > > Re: sleep bruxism > > Jason - > > I don't have any articles on this subject, and I know that it's > generally not kosher to suggest a formula for a western disease/ > condition, but my teacher Dr. Shen was a fan of a standard formula > called Yi Gan San for the treatment of sleep bruxism/teeth grinding/ > TMJ. Yi Gan San is traditionally used to course and soothe the Liver, > settle spasms, and quiet the spirit, and there is a good discussion of > it in Andy Ellis' book, " Notes from South Mountain " . > > I found this formula to also be clinically superior for patients that > have problems winding down and falling asleep at night (what I call > " monkey mind " ) - and of course many of these " types " coincidentally > also grind their teeth at night, and complain of TMJ-related neck and > shoulder tension and headaches. > > Another terrific thing about this Rx. is that it can be prescribed in > one dose just before bed, i.e. 2-4 caps 30 minutes before bed, and the > patient will have a good night's sleep, and over the course of several > days to weeks, the teeth grinding and TMJ symptoms typically subside. > > I know that most TCM Practitioners will cringe at this comparison, but > the way this formula works reminds me of Xanax, without the habit- > forming/addictive side effects. For example, I also have given this Rx > (same dose as above) to patients who are afraid of flying, and it > helps to alleviate their anxiety, and help them sleep on the plane > without sedatives. > > Hope this helps somewhat, > > Ray Rubio, DAOM (FABORM) > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:09 AM, wrote: > > > Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth > > grinding. I > > was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this > > topic in > > either Chinese or English. Thanks, > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > Boulder, Co > > 80301 > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig & lang=en > > > & lang=en > > > > > Want a signature like this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 You probably have tried this but I'm a big fan of Stomach 6 and then additionally GB 8 in later treatments. It's clearly Liver Qi stagnation at the root, of course. What makes your cases stubborn do you think? (Besides the fact they aren't getting better) Doug , " " wrote: > > Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth grinding. I > was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this topic in > either Chinese or English. Thanks, > > > > -Jason > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Jason, just curious if the palpations results showed the same signs that Jason Robertson was suggesting?? Jack Jack Schaefer Mountain West Wellness Louisville, CO Please note: message attached __________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth grinding. I was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this topic in either Chinese or English. Thanks, -Jason <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 Boulder, Co 80301 <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig & lang=en> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Re sleep bruxism, I am a fan of powdered magnesium ( " Natural Calm " ) taken before bed. It really helps sleep and reduces or eliminates teeth grinding and clenching. My dentist turned me on to it. Lots of patients love it. Molly Greacen, Boulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 , " " wrote: > > Currently I have a few stubborn cases of sleep bruxism / teeth grinding. I > was wondering if anyone has any good articles / discussions on this topic in > either Chinese or English. Thanks, > > > > -Jason > > > Hi there, Here is a case from a Dr. Yue Mei Zhong that is interesting. I can send you the Chinese version if you like. Sharon www.whitepinehealingarts.com > Mr. Song was 25 and his father came to see me on February 22, 1974. He told me that his son's main complaint was that every night when he went to sleep his upper and lower teeth would come into contact with each other and grind loudly. It could be heard outside even. His room mates often wake up with a start. It is especially hard for the people around him. He asked me if Chinese herbs might be able to help. I told him that this kind of thing is not mentioned in the classical text nor had I ever had any experience with it. All we could do was to rely on the 4 examinations and try! Check up: Touching the pulse was slippery. Looking his body was stout and robust and his complexion was bright and shiney. Differential diagnosis: This was a case of phlegm fluids being stored in the middle jiao. The foot Yang Ming vessel enters into the teeth. Phlegm obstructed the channels and collaterals. Stasis was hindering the Qi mechanism and brought about the tooth grinding. Treatment method: Er Chen Tang with Jaio He Ye to dry damp and tranform phlegm. Formula: Fa Ban Xia 10 Yun Fu Ling 10 Hua Ju Hong 10 Zhi Gan Cao 6 Jiao He Ye 10 10 packages After 5 packages of these herbs the tooth grinding had decreased. After completing the 10 packages, his room mates no longer heard the sound. I gave him several more packages to consolidate the result. Discussion: The problem of tooth grinding is often seen in children with parasites. This case of an adult with tooth grinding is very rare to see. Chinese medicine stresses the role of phlegm in disease and says that " 100 diseases are caused by phlegm " and " strange diseases are caused by phlegm " . In this case the tooth grinding was influenced by phlegm infiltrating the middle jiao so I gave him Er Chen Tang and it rapidly had the intended effect. The Ju Fang states the the Ban Xia and Chen Pi of Er Chen Tang are " Chen " or old and therefore do not have the drawback of being excessively drying. The function of Ban Xia is to dry damp and transform phlegm as well as to harmonize the Stomach and stop vomiting. It also disperses glomus and scatters knotting. When the Qi mechanism is not flowing smoothly, phlegm gathers. Phlegm gathering in turn obstructs the Qi mechanism. So, I used Ju Hong to rectify the Qi and transform phlegm. It enables the Qi to flow along properly so the phlegm can descend. Phlegm is generated from dampness and without dampness there is no phlegm. Therefore Fu Ling is used to fortify the Spleen and leach dampness. Gan Cao harmonizes the Spleen and supplements the middle. It helps the movement in the middle area so that it is easy to transform dampness and phlegm by itself is easy to clear. I added jiao He Ye which has the function of fortifying the Spleen and dispelling damp. It is able to decrease weight. This is the herbal method of the Song dynasty doctor Zhu Dan-Xi. Altogether this formula has the effect of drying dampness, transforming phlegm, rectifying the Qi and harmonizing the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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