Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Kokko, There is another problem with ORAC testing and scoring: it's all done in-vitro, but in no way reflects actual absorption and utilization of anti-oxidants, in-vivo. That's, again, why I am looking forward to seeing the actual study reflecting the anti-oxidant levels of Gou Qi Zi juice tested in-vivo (on real people) in the random, double-blind, placebo controlled 30 day clinical trial. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: Re: New file uploaded to Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:46 PM Ed, There may be a loss of antioxidants etc. from the concentrated extracts, since it was heated/ boiled down in the processing. My guess is that there may be some vitamin loss as well, esp. Vit C which is heat sensitive. According to the studies out there, dried gou qi zi is one of the top 5 ORAC (high antioxidant) scored foods, but the problem is that the studies are always done by private companies and the testing parameters are inconsistent. The foods that are consistently score high on the ORAC scale are: Concord Grapes Wild Blueberries Mangosteen Acai Raw Cacao (Dark Chocolate) Gou qi zi Cherries Prunes Put them all into a wine bottle; add white grape juice and charge $50; then get your friends to sell it. (MonaVie) K. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Happy Herbalist <eddy@happyherbalist .com>wrote: > K. very nice point. > > But wouldn't reconstituted juice from dried berries be > > very similar to the typical extract with the only > > difference the ratio (concentration) . > > Ed Kasper, LAc > > Santa Cruz, CA > > www.HappyHerbalist. com > > ............ .. > > These are interesting studies, which validate traditional science. > > But, what I'm interested in is the study that compares > fresh squeezed gou qi zi fruit vs reconstituted juice from dried berries. > > These studies are a marketing tool for Gochi, > because most of us have no access to fresh squeezed gou zi berries. > In other words, we have to buy their product to get those results from the > studies. > > For practitioners like you and me, we need studies based on the resources > we > have on hand, > so that we can give these to our patients... studies about dried gou qi zi > and extracts. > > Warm regards, > K. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Yehuda, I visited the Gochi website.... Himalayan Goji juice company... same group? What are they charging per ounce? This line from their website is revealing about the 90 day guarantee: " an open invitation for you to become a life-long FreeLife Customer without risk! " Let's write them to donate some of their profits back to Chinese medicine. TCM Schools, TCM research, Community clinics etc. K. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:58 PM, wrote: > Kokko, > > There is another problem with ORAC testing and scoring: it's all done > in-vitro, but in no way reflects actual absorption and utilization of > anti-oxidants, in-vivo. That's, again, why I am looking forward to seeing > the actual study reflecting the anti-oxidant levels of Gou Qi Zi juice > tested in-vivo (on real people) in the random, double-blind, placebo > controlled 30 day clinical trial. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > Re: Re: New file uploaded to Chinese Medicine > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:46 PM > > Ed, > > There may be a loss of antioxidants etc. from the concentrated extracts, > since it was heated/ boiled down in the processing. > My guess is that there may be some vitamin loss as well, esp. Vit C which > is > heat sensitive. > > According to the studies out there, dried gou qi zi is one of the top 5 > ORAC > (high antioxidant) scored foods, > but the problem is that the studies are always done by private companies > and > the testing parameters are inconsistent. > > The foods that are consistently score high on the ORAC scale are: > Concord Grapes > Wild Blueberries > Mangosteen > Acai > Raw Cacao (Dark Chocolate) > Gou qi zi > Cherries > Prunes > > Put them all into a wine bottle; add white grape juice and charge $50; then > get your friends to sell it. (MonaVie) > K. > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Happy Herbalist <eddywrote: > > > K. very nice point. > > > > But wouldn't reconstituted juice from dried berries be > > > > very similar to the typical extract with the only > > > > difference the ratio (concentration) . > > > > Ed Kasper, LAc > > > > Santa Cruz, CA > > > > www.HappyHerbalist. com > > > > ............ .. > > > > These are interesting studies, which validate traditional science. > > > > But, what I'm interested in is the study that compares > > fresh squeezed gou qi zi fruit vs reconstituted juice from dried berries. > > > > These studies are a marketing tool for Gochi, > > because most of us have no access to fresh squeezed gou zi berries. > > In other words, we have to buy their product to get those results from > the > > studies. > > > > For practitioners like you and me, we need studies based on the resources > > we > > have on hand, > > so that we can give these to our patients... studies about dried gou qi > zi > > and extracts. > > > > Warm regards, > > K. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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