Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Hi Folks, I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's. Does such a chart exist historically? Thanks, Lonny Jarrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 The JR Worsley chart looks like a copy of the *Five Element Acupoint Chart (24 X 41) *by Shohaku Honma<http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/authors/Shohaku%20Honma.cfm> produced in 1942...Its one of my favorite charts and hanging on my wall. You can get it here from Redwing Books: http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/books/FivEleAcuCha.cfm I don't believe Worsley produced it by himself, I believe he had inspiration from this chart. Its too close to Worsley's chart and predates it by nearly 30 years. I also think Worsley studied Japanese 5 element acupuncture and from French sources. Just my $0.02. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM, sppdestiny <Revolution wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history > did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements > in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that > shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm > of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's. > > Does such a chart exist historically? > > Thanks, Lonny Jarrett > > > -- Robert Chu, PhD, L.Ac. QME chusauli See my webpages at: www.chusaulei.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Chinese Medicine , " Robert Chu " <chusauli wrote: > > The JR Worsley chart looks like a copy of the *Five Element Acupoint Chart > (24 X 41) *by Shohaku > Honma<http:// \ Lonny: Yes, Im familiar with this chart. My very real interest is whether or not there is an example of it prior to about 1860. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hey Lonny, is this a question you already know the answer to? Hugo sppdestiny <Revolution Chinese Medicine Thursday, 12 June, 2008 4:42:46 PM A question on Chinese medical History Hi Folks, I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's. Does such a chart exist historically? Thanks, Lonny Jarrett ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hugo: Hey Lonny, is this a question you already know the answer to? Lonny: No Hugo, it isn't. I have suspicions, for theoretical reasons alone, that no such chart could have existed prior to the mid to late 1800's but I have no idea if one did. The Daoists loved drawing charts and there are thousands of texts I've never seen. So, if anyone with a classical background has any info on an earlier appearance of the 5 element chart in its current form than the Japanese chart of the 1930s I'd love to know. Thanks, lonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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