Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Lee The MD I met at Harvard Med at the First International Symposium on Fascia Research on October 4, 2007 is Dr. Helen Langevin, MD out of the University of Vermont. I will send you the research articles this evening unless someone has them during today. Richard Richard Freiberg, OMD, DAc, AP, LAc In a message dated 5/7/2008 1:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, acudoc writes: I have been looking for a video that was sent out to the group about a year ago from a female MD showing interstitial tissues wrapping around an acupuncture needle. Does anyone remember this one? I have been looking in the archives, but have been unable to find it. Lee Tritt, OMD, AP HYPERLINK " _http://www.leetritthttp_ (http://www.leetritt.com/) " www.leetritt. " ww A little needling never hurt anyone _____ _Traditional_Traditional_<WBRTraditional_Tra_ (Chinese Medicine ) [_Traditional_Traditional_<WBRTraditional_Tra_ (Chinese Medicine ) ] On Behalf Of Kath Bartlett, MS, LAc Friday, April 11, 2008 10:49 PM TCM List youtube acupuncture/yout last year, sometime btwn july and november we were having a discussion about md's doing acupuncture. a woman sent a couple video links from youtube showing a couple of masters in china demonstrating incredible abilities with qi. one (possibly john cheng of java) was touching/needling a patient and causing convulsions due to the strong qi. later he was at a restaurant and pushed a chopstick through a table. a splinter hit a woman at the table, causing a little bleeding. after that he had a tormentous night because he had shown off and caused harm, which he had been told not to do. he wouldn't allow further taping. does this ring any bells. i saw a patient today who had been to java and was treated by john cheng. we were wondering if this was the same person. did anyone save/remember the 2 links i'm thinking of. they were 2 different practitioners. thanks, kath -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Board Certified in Oriental Medicine, NCCAOM Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for , or web order at: HYPERLINK " _https://www.https://wwhttps://www.https://www.<Whttps & cat=c & page=1_ (https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1) " https:/ /www.-kamwo./www.-kamw/www.-kam/www.-kamwo.<W/www.- & cat=ca & page=1 Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 HYPERLINK " kbartlett% " kbartlet " kba " kb " kb " kba ..-com www.AcupunctureAshewww.Acupun [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release 4/13/2008 1:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1420 - Release 5/7/2008 2:12 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Maybe this post? Jorge Gomez DAOM Candidate On 10/2/07, Edith Chan, L.Ac. <chineseherbs wrote: > > Hi all, > > With regards to some of the attitudes about M.D.s recently posted on this > forum (in response to the back pain study), I'd like to share a different > point-of-view... Hope you will bare with me. (if not, skip down to the fun > videos at the bottom!) --- > > For the benefit of our patients and our profession, we have got to move > away > from this " us vs. them " mentality. The mindset bashing on M.D.s with their > 140hr training will only create more conflict and keep us on the fringe of > mainstream medicine. If we are to move out of this " sick society " into a > healthy, harmonious, and integrated system, then we must start by setting > the example with our own attitudes and behaviour. We must see MDs as > friends/allies, not as enemies. They have the potential to be either, and > it > is up to us TCM doctors to set the tone. > > In my opinion, it's wonderful that some MDs are getting a little > acupuncture > training. If it means that they may try a needle treatment for simple pain > relief rather than prescribing drugs, then as long as they're not causing > harm (such as puncturing an organ), the patient is probably better off, > even > if the points are not elegantly chosen. Also from a business perspective, > this will undoubtedly get people curious about acupuncture, which in turn > will grow the total acupuncture market. Even if we have less than 100% > market-share, the total pie will be much bigger. It'd also mean that > patients are taking less drugs and trying more natural medicine options. > In > the grand scheme of things, this could be very good for patients, TCM > doctors, and society in general! > > While there is a worry that MDs w/ limited training may mis- represent the > true power of our medicine, my experience has been to the contrary. My > experience has been that MDs interested in acupuncture tend to be more > humble, genuine people interested in true healing, what you'd call > " out-of-the-box " thinkers. I've come across M.D.s who received just enough > acupuncture training to understand their limitations and will refer > patients > to a " real acupuncturist " for trickier cases when they are not able to > deliver results themselves. I myself have been a very happy (and flattered > ) beneficiary of such wonderful partnerships. > > Also if we don't like the way these studies are designed, then seek out > training about research methodologies so that we can be eloquent in > expressing these concerns to patients and M.D. colleagues. Or better yet, > get a DAOM/PhD degree in order to develop more TCM-appropriate research > protocols! > > Someone earlier made an insulting comment about how MDs have " no idea how > to > propagate Qi " . Surely this person is not alone in this sentiment. I urge > all of us to not get too cocky thinking how much better we are just > because > we have a tiny bit more training. Let's consider the scale of amazing > healers who have passed the medicine to us. Hua Tuo, Li Dong Yuan, Zhang > Zhong Jing, etc... Compared to them, how are your acupuncture or herbal > skills? surely many of us are closer to the 140hr M.D.s than we are to > these TRUE Masters. Let us practice humility in order that we may be > worthy > heirs of their amazing medicine. > > As for ability to direct Qi, here's are a couple videos to help put things > into perspectives -- > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drz-CMespEM (especially watch near 5minute > mark) > (courtesy of myapprenticeship > brother Ben Krieg. thanks ben!) > > Hope you find these videos motivating and humbling as I do. Now let us get > back to the business of becoming the best darn healers we can be. > > With love & respect, > > Edith Chan > DAOM Candidate > > -- > Edith Chan, L.Ac. > Phone: 415.298.5324 > www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com <http://www.edithchanacupuncture.com/> - acudoc Chinese Medicine Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:17 PM RE: youtube acupuncture video links? I have been looking for a video that was sent out to the group about a year ago from a female MD showing interstitial tissues wrapping around an acupuncture needle. Does anyone remember this one? I have been looking in the archives, but have been unable to find it. Lee Tritt, OMD, AP HYPERLINK " http://www.leetritt.com " www.leetritt.com A little needling never hurt anyone _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Kath Bartlett, MS, LAc Friday, April 11, 2008 10:49 PM TCM List youtube acupuncture/qi video links? last year, sometime btwn july and november we were having a discussion about md's doing acupuncture. a woman sent a couple video links from youtube showing a couple of masters in china demonstrating incredible abilities with qi. one (possibly john cheng of java) was touching/needling a patient and causing convulsions due to the strong qi. later he was at a restaurant and pushed a chopstick through a table. a splinter hit a woman at the table, causing a little bleeding. after that he had a tormentous night because he had shown off and caused harm, which he had been told not to do. he wouldn't allow further taping. does this ring any bells. i saw a patient today who had been to java and was treated by john cheng. we were wondering if this was the same person. did anyone save/remember the 2 links i'm thinking of. they were 2 different practitioners. thanks, kath -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for , or web order at: HYPERLINK " https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 " https:/ /www.-kamwo.com/-shop/product.-php?productid=-17442 & cat=-0 & page=1 Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 HYPERLINK " kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com " kbartlett@Acupunctu-reAsheville .-com www.AcupunctureAshe-ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 I have been looking for a video that was sent out to the group about a year ago from a female MD showing interstitial tissues wrapping around an acupuncture needle. Does anyone remember this one? I have been looking in the archives, but have been unable to find it. Lee Tritt, OMD, AP HYPERLINK " http://www.leetritt.com " www.leetritt.com A little needling never hurt anyone _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Kath Bartlett, MS, LAc Friday, April 11, 2008 10:49 PM TCM List youtube acupuncture/qi video links? last year, sometime btwn july and november we were having a discussion about md's doing acupuncture. a woman sent a couple video links from youtube showing a couple of masters in china demonstrating incredible abilities with qi. one (possibly john cheng of java) was touching/needling a patient and causing convulsions due to the strong qi. later he was at a restaurant and pushed a chopstick through a table. a splinter hit a woman at the table, causing a little bleeding. after that he had a tormentous night because he had shown off and caused harm, which he had been told not to do. he wouldn't allow further taping. does this ring any bells. i saw a patient today who had been to java and was treated by john cheng. we were wondering if this was the same person. did anyone save/remember the 2 links i'm thinking of. they were 2 different practitioners. thanks, kath -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for , or web order at: HYPERLINK " https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 " https:/ /www.-kamwo.com/-shop/product.-php?productid=-17442 & cat=-0 & page=1 Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 HYPERLINK " kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com " kbartlett@Acupunctu-reAsheville ..-com www.AcupunctureAshe-ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 I believe Langevin is a PhD, you can see a photo of her finding in by book 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Hi Folks: Actually, Helene Langevin is an MD and licensed acupuncturist in Vermont and one of our leading acupuncture researchers into acupuncture mechanisms - she is a past co-president of the Society for Acouncture Research. Here is some of her research: 2007-2011: National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (RO1) Soft tissue biomechanical behavior during acupuncture in low back pain Principal Investigator: H. Langevin 2002-2007: National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (RO1) Acupuncture mechanism: mechanotransduction model Principal Investigator: H. Langevin 2004: National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine SBIR (Phase I) Acupuncture needle torque sensor Principal Investigator: R. Davis 2000-2002: National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (R21) Investigation of the Effect of Acupuncture Needling on Connective Tissue using Ultrasound Principal Investigator: H. Langevin 1999-2001: National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (RO1) Biomechanical effect of Acupuncture Needling Principal Investigator: H. Langevin Yours in health, Misha Chinese Medicine , alon marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > > I believe Langevin is a PhD, you can see a photo of her finding in by > book > > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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