eating meat/ replacement of animal substances

[Guest guest]

As a near vegan I am also interested in what Elizabeth Vall's book has to

say.

 

Has anyone read the chapter on endangered species' replacements?

 

Liu Guohui is very fond of using bie jia and gui ban. I believe him, but I

find it hard to prescribe these materials due to ethical reasons. I have

been trying to find Chinese books on this subject, but have been relatively

unsuccesful.

There’s a book in Chinese ?????????464 pages) on vegetarian food and

Chinese medicine. See http://tinyurl.com/24mwp8 (I have a scanned version of

the book).

 

best,

 

Tom.

 

 

 

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Marian Blum, L.Ac., DNBAO

7/02/2008 3:18:51

Chinese Medicine

eating meat

 

I became an 'ethical' vegan last year when I learned about

dairy 'farming.' About a year before that I read T. Colin Campbell's

book, The China Study, which Zev referred to. In it, Dr. Campbell

concludes that the ideal amount of animal-derived products in the

human diet may be zero. He found particular harm in the dairy

protein: casein. In his research, he started to see negative health

effects when animal products accounted for just a few percent of

total caloric intake. While his research is comprehensive, I think

even Dr. Campbell said in an interview there are limitations to it.

It's a great read, though.

 

I just ordered Elizabeth Call's book: Mending the Web of Life which I

understand is about endangered species in ... the

website is www.mendingtheweb.com. There's a part on substitutions.

Not exactly about avoiding animal products but probably some overlap,

and I think an important topic, as well.

 

I have been grappling with how to communicate with clients about diet

now that I have extra motivation to steer them clear of animals. I

would love to be able to talk with other practitioners about how they

think about the interface between their ethics and their work. I'm

thinking this is probably off topic so I'd like to invite anyone

interested in such a conversation to email me offlist.

 

I imagine when/where CM notions about diet developed, food may have

been scarce, so meat was a welcome concentrated calorie-rich

proteinaceous yang component. Also, the meat was not so full of

the saturated fats but was grazed on grass, more nutritious, so it

was a more healthful food. Anyone done the research on this?

 

Thanks for this conversation,

 

Marian

mb

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Marian:

 

as a vegan, i try to balance my own dietary choices with the tcm party line

on eating meat to build blood and yang. i figure my patients come to me for

chin med, so i don't try to convert them to a vegan diet, as i see this as

my own personal choice. however, when patients are vegan/veg, i tell them

that i am, too, and try to support them to do the veg diet in a healthy

way. likewise, i do tell carnivores that the cm idea of eating meat is a

couple of ounces, not a porter house. so i encourage them to seek out

quality, hormone free, organic if possible, meat and to eat it in small

qualities.

 

as a practitioner, i try to meet patients where ever they are, and help them

to work towards a healthier lifestyle. i don't take a nazi approach of

giving out a bunch of rules, telling them that in order to be healthy they

must adhere to them. i find slow and steady wins the race, and work with

patients incremently on dietary/lifestyle changes. i find this approach

effective in getting healthy changes made over the long run.

 

kath

 

2008/2/7 Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe:

 

>

> As a near vegan I am also interested in what Elizabeth Vall's book has to

> say.

>

> Has anyone read the chapter on endangered species' replacements?

>

> Liu Guohui is very fond of using bie jia and gui ban. I believe him, but I

> find it hard to prescribe these materials due to ethical reasons. I have

> been trying to find Chinese books on this subject, but have been

> relatively

> unsuccesful.

> There’s a book in Chinese ?????????464 pages) on vegetarian food and

> Chinese medicine. See http://tinyurl.com/24mwp8 (I have a scanned version

> of

> the book).

>

> best,

>

> Tom.

>

>

>

> ----

>

> Marian Blum, L.Ac., DNBAO

> 7/02/2008 3:18:51

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> eating meat

>

> I became an 'ethical' vegan last year when I learned about

> dairy 'farming.' About a year before that I read T. Colin Campbell's

> book, The China Study, which Zev referred to. In it, Dr. Campbell

> concludes that the ideal amount of animal-derived products in the

> human diet may be zero. He found particular harm in the dairy

> protein: casein. In his research, he started to see negative health

> effects when animal products accounted for just a few percent of

> total caloric intake. While his research is comprehensive, I think

> even Dr. Campbell said in an interview there are limitations to it.

> It's a great read, though.

>

> I just ordered Elizabeth Call's book: Mending the Web of Life which I

> understand is about endangered species in ... the

> website is www.mendingtheweb.com. There's a part on substitutions.

> Not exactly about avoiding animal products but probably some overlap,

> and I think an important topic, as well.

>

> I have been grappling with how to communicate with clients about diet

> now that I have extra motivation to steer them clear of animals. I

> would love to be able to talk with other practitioners about how they

> think about the interface between their ethics and their work. I'm

> thinking this is probably off topic so I'd like to invite anyone

> interested in such a conversation to email me offlist.

>

> I imagine when/where CM notions about diet developed, food may have

> been scarce, so meat was a welcome concentrated calorie-rich

> proteinaceous yang component. Also, the meat was not so full of

> the saturated fats but was grazed on grass, more nutritious, so it

> was a more healthful food. Anyone done the research on this?

>

> Thanks for this conversation,

>

> Marian

> mb <mb%40iaomb.com