Cancer/especially of the breast

October 7, 2007

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your warning statement here. It's OK to experiment with

self-limiting conditions, but not with cancer. Errors can be fatal.

Cancer is a fatal disease which we should not get involved without

the help of WM " MD " . Practically how many patients can outlive when

malignant cancers were found and treated by oncologists, 5-10 out of a

100? Notlikely!

How many can survive after 5 years? Less than 1% ! If patients are

dying , who are to blamed? Not oncologist, right ????????? RIGHT !

Before treatment, oncologists stated the survival rate is very low

and very risky... Taking chance ??????? Sure! we all do. If the

survival rates is low, why our medical science still have them in

practice and have not developed further or improve their abilities I

do not know. But one thing is for sure, they 've never have been the

blame.

We, TCM , all know this is a fatal disease, a ticket to heaven. We

do not know or understand the pathology of cancer thoroughly for we

only based on WM as a pedestal and move on along with it. WHy should

we base on something that have less than 1% cure in a fatal disease,

and we strongly or definitely sure that we can cure, but not them

!!!!!!!!! If we touch cancer patients, patients live more than 5 yrs

then suddenly die, we are the blame, THE BLAME ! Even though

oncologists may claim that a patient may only live for a few weeks,

and we TCM touch them, we are the cause.... PLEASE BE CAREFUL ! No one

can back us up. Beside, we all criticize among ourselves " He should

not do this, that. He knows nothing about .... We should revoke his

license and jail him... " Does this sound familiar in our TCM ?

I think WM should have different views in cancer pathology and

treatments and we all TCM should gather all information from all

sources and discriminate them before getting involved. If we are not

sure about this, please stay away, watch and study... This is our best

bet.

AGAIN , I would like to remind all of us. If there is no Qi, there

is no life!!!!!!!!!!!!! No matter it is a solid, liquid or gas.

In any disease or illness, no matter it is light or serious, we

should look, observe and maitain the Qi of our patients. We should

make sure their Qi are at top, full and moving freely. If not, we

should bring those Qi up to the best we can regardless of illness.

If our body Qi ( defense mechanism, immunity system, endocrine

system, disgestive system ) is at best, our pathological factors

should be subsided........... THIS IS OUR TCM KEY OF LIFE.

If we are scare, nervous, and trying to find some kinds of viruses

as in WM, we are bound in a small circle. We should break this limit

and expand our vision. This will give us some strength and recognition.

Thanks

Nam Nguyen

October 8, 2007

In California, the primary treatment of cancer is explicitly outside

our scope of practice. Typically, we are seeing patients who are

also receiving western treatment. We will sometimes end up being the

sole treatment modality if a patient is pronounced beyond treatment

by oncologists.

- Bill

Chinese Medicine , " Gary Wu "

<mcmhealth wrote:

>

> The reason that I have stayed away from cancer patients is simply

that

> " There are many many factors that contribute to a person getting

> cancer. " Many of these factors are out of my control and some of

> these factors are not physical but rather mental and in some cases

> even spiritual. If you look at people that have made complete

> recovery from cancer, many of them have often made drastic changes

in

> their lives. I am not talking about simply quitting smoking or

> staying away from fatty foods and such, but truly magnificent

changes

> regarding their outlook on life, their own character, their

> relationships, work, everything. I am afraid to said that these

> changes cannot be brought to them via needles and herbs, it is

well

> beyond a doctor's powers. Since I have come to this conclusion I

have

> stayed away from treating cancer patients. I only give them

advice on

> the possible changes they must make in their lives that will give

them

> a decent chance for full recovery and only those that " gets it " and

> makes that leap of faith, so to speak, then I can aid them with

tools

> of CM to help them succeed. Otherwise, it is perhaps better to

sway

> them to the direction of Western Medicine as they are more skilled

in

> keeping a person technically alive, albeit sick and often times

> extremely uncomfortable.

>

> From my observation of people with breast cancer, there is a strong

> connection with anger. It is not just typical anger, but rather

> suppressed anger that results from her spouse. People that are

> angered easily and often expressing anger will have damage in their

> liver. If that angered is suppressed, then the damage will be in

> their stomach, often causing stomach ulcers. In the case of a

woman,

> if the anger is coming someone that she has a love relationship

with,

> then it may result in breast cancer. Coincidentally (Perhaps not a

> coincidence), the stomach meridian actually runs through both

nipples,

> which may explain the relationship between the illnesses sharing

> similar causes.

>

> In short, it is likely that she is unhappy with her

husband/boyfriend,

> yet her other half is the dominant one in the relationship, forcing

> her to suppress such anger. If this is the case, then my advice

would

> simply be to resolve this issue with her husband/boyfriend, and

then

> the healing process can begin.

>

> Again, these are my own observations, it is perhaps much different

> from some of the concepts that people are used to.

>

> Good Luck

>

> Gary

>

October 9, 2007

Hi all, I felt a need to back up Nam on this one.

We would perhaps all be surprised at the numbers, the total and final

statistical analysis of our profession, if we could magically get them. We might

be surprised at how effective CM can be, and often is.

Unfortunately we don't really have " definitive proofs " , I guess. I can say,

however, that we come close, especially to the discerning observer, when we look

at things like the China Study (C. Campbell). What Campbell and his group

discovered (and of course, they are not the only ones, they just have the

biggest, longest sample) was an amazingly healthy and robust population. And

guess what? Yeah, their primary care was CM.

We need to be VERY careful when handling disease because of OUR OWN prejudices,

lack of knowledge, inexperience, limitations, illusions and misunderstandings,

NOT because CM isn't up to it. We also need to see certain diseases in a

realistic light: there is inherent, fundamental danger in advanced conditions

(meaning that the condition has had a LOT of time, effort and energy put into

it). CM is not a cure all. AND it is a SUPERB medicine.

Hugo

dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, 7 October, 2007 8:36:59 AM

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