abort ABORM

August 11, 2007

I am writing to express my concerns regarding the newly formed ABORM.

As a member of AAAOM I am asking that the organization respond to the

concerns of its many members who are boycotting this board.

There are several issues that I feel are especially germane to the

discussion regarding the formation of this specialty board.

First, to my understanding, a medical specialty, as defined by ABMS (Amer

Board of Med Specialities) requires that if said specialist is a practicing

physician, s/he must confine her/his practice to said specialty. I do not

believe the so-called ABORM 'specialists' are required to confine their

efforts *solely* to research, teaching or practicing of reproductive

medicine, therefore they do not meet the current accepted standard for

medical specialists.

Secondly, the newly formed board is self appointed and directed with no

overseeing body. If the profession is to begin to certify specializations,

we need to determine a basic standard for specialties and their boards, and

must have an overseeing body to see that those standards are adhered to.

While the practitioners involved in forming this board all have practices in

reproductive medicine and hold the advancement of the profession in their

hearts, I do not believe they have the authority to self appoint themselves

to create and oversee a specialty board. If the profession determines

specialties are desirable, channels and standards with oversight must be

developed by the profession as a whole, not determined by a well meaning

few.

Thirdly, a valid concern has been raised regarding malpractice insurance

with the monopoly AAC for those practicing reproductive medicine, and

whether they would legitimize the specialty board by requiring the exam to

qualify for malpractice insurance in this area of practice. As the board

and specialty is self-created with no oversight body, it is not legitimate.

Fourthly, as the board is illegitimate, it falsely gives the general public

security in said " Oriental Reproductive Medical Specialists " . The public

is falsely lead to believe that said practitioner is a qualified medical

specialist meeting standards set by ABMS, when in fact no oversight body has

legitimized this specialty or the ORM specialist.

I advocate for an optional certification in ORM, requiring a set of edu

standards and testing to see that candidates meet a level of

competency necessary to qualify a practitioner to provide these services

and treatment to patients.

For these reasons, I call on AAAOM to take a stand to abort ABORM.

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

August 11, 2007

Kath,

Quite a mouthful. So are you saying the OM community should not create more

specialty training

or orgs? If so, then what about DNBAO or the many courses taught at Asian

colleges? I guess I

am a little confused as to what the beef is about this org. Many things are

done differently in the

beginning so your org can continue. Remember our schools do not all have

" doctorate " instructors

as many of them do not have this training as it does not exist so those teaching

in the DAOM's should

not, right? I think the goal of both ABORM and DNBAO is to attempt to provide a

more focused

training and a place that lists those practitioners who have taken and keep up

their certification.

I have often had concerns about the NCCAOM who also falsely states it is a

board. So are you willing

to boycott the NCCAOM as well for its connection to licensure, which should only

be a govt function

and not a private one?

Our profession has chosen on many occasions to do things differently and so it

goes that again we

are creating our own confusion. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

president; Executivedirector:

alumni-sd; alumni-ny;

Chinese Traditional Medicine: acukath: Fri, 10

Aug 2007 23:25:06 -0400abort ABORM

I am writing to express my concerns regarding the newly formed ABORM.As a member

of AAAOM I am asking that the organization respond to theconcerns of its many

members who are boycotting this board.There are several issues that I feel are

especially germane to thediscussion regarding the formation of this specialty

board.First, to my understanding, a medical specialty, as defined by ABMS

(AmerBoard of Med Specialities) requires that if said specialist is a

practicingphysician, s/he must confine her/his practice to said specialty. I do

notbelieve the so-called ABORM 'specialists' are required to confine

theirefforts *solely* to research, teaching or practicing of

reproductivemedicine, therefore they do not meet the current accepted standard

formedical specialists.Secondly, the newly formed board is self appointed and

directed with nooverseeing body. If the profession is to begin to certify

specializations,we need to determine a basic standard for specialties and their

boards, andmust have an overseeing body to see that those standards are adhered

to.While the practitioners involved in forming this board all have practices

inreproductive medicine and hold the advancement of the profession in

theirhearts, I do not believe they have the authority to self appoint

themselvesto create and oversee a specialty board. If the profession

determinesspecialties are desirable, channels and standards with oversight must

bedeveloped by the profession as a whole, not determined by a well

meaningfew.Thirdly, a valid concern has been raised regarding malpractice

insurancewith the monopoly AAC for those practicing reproductive medicine,

andwhether they would legitimize the specialty board by requiring the exam

toqualify for malpractice insurance in this area of practice. As the boardand

specialty is self-created with no oversight body, it is not legitimate.Fourthly,

as the board is illegitimate, it falsely gives the general publicsecurity in

said " Oriental Reproductive Medical Specialists " . The publicis falsely lead to

believe that said practitioner is a qualified medicalspecialist meeting

standards set by ABMS, when in fact no oversight body haslegitimized this

specialty or the ORM specialist.I advocate for an optional certification in ORM,

requiring a set of edustandards and testing to see that candidates meet a level

ofcompetency necessary to qualify a practitioner to provide these servicesand

treatment to patients.For these reasons, I call on AAAOM to take a stand to

abort ABORM.-- Board Certified in Oriental

Medicine, NCCAOMExperienced, Dedicated, EffectiveAsheville Center For Chinese

Medicine70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing TwoAsheville, NC 28801

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August 11, 2007

Wow, Kath, found your response very formal, I almost felt like I needed a

law degreee to descifer it.

Firstly, I don't practice in the US, so you will have to excuse my lack of

understanding as to how your boards work etc that being the AAAOM / ABMS

etc. I practice out of Ireland and have a good understanding of how the

Irish boards operate.

You mentioned first the ABMS definition of specialist (had to look that one

up), my first question was do the ABMS represent just physician specialists

in Western Medicine or do they also represent &

Acupuncture. From what I could see on its website, its Western Medicine.

So in my humble opinion I think it is unfair to use this as an argument

within our profession. A lot of the Western Medicine organizations in

Ireland fail to recognize the contributions of what we do.

I took a random look at other organizations and found the CMSS, Council of

Medical Specialities Societies, who present the following aims & purpose:

* improved quality of medical care for all patients;

* improved standards and systems of delivery of patient care;

* effective programs for continuing and graduate medical education;

* studied responses to medical and health policy issues;

* communication among specialty organizations concerned with the principal

disciplines of medicine; and

* ethical practice and professionalism in medicine.

Is this not what we are about.

On your second issue you mention the board is self appointed with no

overseeing body, aren't most newly formed organizations self appointed

initially and then grow, develop and change. I looked at the site and noted

some amazing people are part of this newly formed association, and it is an

international board from what I can see, Randine Lewis – United States,

Lorne Browne – Canada, Jane Lyttleton – Australia, to mention a few. I have

Randine Lewis book, 'The Infertility Cure' which is an amazing book and also

Jane Lyttletons 'Treatment of Infertility with ' on my desk.

You say oversight needs to be by the profession as a whole rather than a

well meaning few. Well it usually is only the well meaning few that get

things done in my experience.

I can't really comment on you third statement of insurance in the US. I'm

only aware of my insurance requirements.

You are very forthright in making the statement of the board being

illegitimate, and falsely gives the general public security in " Oriental

reproductive Medical Specialists' You cannot make such a statement, I took a

look at the oxford dictionary definition of a specialist:

verb 1, concentrate on and become expert in a particular skill or area. 2

make a habit of engaging in a particular activity. 3 (be specialized)

Biology (of an organ or part) be adapted or set apart to serve a special

function.

In my opinion too many & Acupuncture clinics tell their

patients they specialise in fertility issues when they have absolutely no

experience in same. It is an extremely delicate and emotional area, its not

like back pain where you can feel 50% better, there really is only one

result for these patients. My clinic is 100% fertility based. With my

experience to date, am I not a speciaist by the Oxford dictionary. ABMS

definition has no jurisdiction outside the US..

Finally I think you could have found more appropriate language in you final

statement, where you call on AAAOM to take a stand to abort ABORM,

considering the area involved.

My opinion is that your issues of focus are very narrow. And there is a need

for more organizations to allow for a fair balance in our profession.

Best wishes,

Gordon Mullins

On 8/11/07, wrote:

>

> I am writing to express my concerns regarding the newly formed ABORM.

>

> As a member of AAAOM I am asking that the organization respond to the

> concerns of its many members who are boycotting this board.

>

> There are several issues that I feel are especially germane to the

> discussion regarding the formation of this specialty board.

>

> First, to my understanding, a medical specialty, as defined by ABMS (Amer

> Board of Med Specialities) requires that if said specialist is a

> practicing

> physician, s/he must confine her/his practice to said specialty. I do not

> believe the so-called ABORM 'specialists' are required to confine their

> efforts *solely* to research, teaching or practicing of reproductive

> medicine, therefore they do not meet the current accepted standard for

> medical specialists.

>

> Secondly, the newly formed board is self appointed and directed with no

> overseeing body. If the profession is to begin to certify specializations,

> we need to determine a basic standard for specialties and their boards,

> and

> must have an overseeing body to see that those standards are adhered to.

> While the practitioners involved in forming this board all have practices

> in

> reproductive medicine and hold the advancement of the profession in their

> hearts, I do not believe they have the authority to self appoint

> themselves

> to create and oversee a specialty board. If the profession determines

> specialties are desirable, channels and standards with oversight must be

> developed by the profession as a whole, not determined by a well meaning

> few.

>

> Thirdly, a valid concern has been raised regarding malpractice insurance

> with the monopoly AAC for those practicing reproductive medicine, and

> whether they would legitimize the specialty board by requiring the exam to

> qualify for malpractice insurance in this area of practice. As the board

> and specialty is self-created with no oversight body, it is not

> legitimate.

>

> Fourthly, as the board is illegitimate, it falsely gives the general

> public

> security in said " Oriental Reproductive Medical Specialists " . The public

> is falsely lead to believe that said practitioner is a qualified medical

> specialist meeting standards set by ABMS, when in fact no oversight body

> has

> legitimized this specialty or the ORM specialist.

>

> I advocate for an optional certification in ORM, requiring a set of edu

> standards and testing to see that candidates meet a level of

> competency necessary to qualify a practitioner to provide these services

> and treatment to patients.

>

> For these reasons, I call on AAAOM to take a stand to abort ABORM.

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

August 11, 2007

Mike:

since you expressed uncertainty, let me clarify my position for

you regarding ABORM.

i am for increased edu and standards in our profession. while the self

appointed ABORM board members seem qualified in ORM and well meaning, this

'board' is bogus. a small group of practitioners can't just get together

and self appoint themselves to create a specialty, board and exam. selling

the certification to the public as a legit medical specialty is deceitful

and unethical.

i would support legitimate specialty training, but this needs to go through

the colleges, and get accredited. what ABORM has done is given a list of

text books, and come up with some multiple choice exam questions, and then

said if you pass our exam, we will call you a specialist and give you a

plaque to hang on your wall. no one has certified or accredited ABORM, and

they answer to no oversight body. no specific course work in ORM is

required to qualify oneself to sit for the exam.

i see that ABORM wants to be able to say to the public that they are ORM

specialists, but this is not the way a medical specialty works, and thus

what they are doing is unethical because they are intentionally misleading

the public to believe they have accredited education and specialty training

that doesn't exist in our profession at this time.

they can't just leap over the proper channels and self-create a bogus

specialty so as to legitimatize themselves to the public. this is not the

way a medical specialty works.

we need to stand up as a profession against this. if we want to gain the

respect of the public and western medicine we can't crown ourselves

with unearned, meaningless titles. doctors earn their titles and

specializations by completing rigorous acedemic training in their fields.

they have earned the respect of the public for having done so. we can't

just co-op their titles without completing the training to make us appear

legitimate. that actually has the opposite effect: it makes us look like

flakes.

sorry for the rant, but you inquired into a subject about with i clearly has

strong feelings.

kb

On 8/11/07, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

> Kath,

> Quite a mouthful. So are you saying the OM community should not create

> more specialty training

> or orgs? If so, then what about DNBAO or the many courses taught at Asian

> colleges? I guess I

> am a little confused as to what the beef is about this org. Many things

> are done differently in the

> beginning so your org can continue. Remember our schools do not all have

> " doctorate " instructors

> as many of them do not have this training as it does not exist so those

> teaching in the DAOM's should

> not, right? I think the goal of both ABORM and DNBAO is to attempt to

> provide a more focused

> training and a place that lists those practitioners who have taken and

> keep up their certification.

> I have often had concerns about the NCCAOM who also falsely states it is a

> board. So are you willing

> to boycott the NCCAOM as well for its connection to licensure, which

> should only be a govt function

> and not a private one?

>

> Our profession has chosen on many occasions to do things differently and

> so it goes that again we

> are creating our own confusion. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

> president <president%40aaaomonline.org>;

> Executivedirector <Executivedirector%40ccaom.orgCC>:

> alumni-sd <alumni-sd%40pacificcollege.edu>;

> alumni-ny <alumni-ny%40pacificcollege.edu>;

>

Chinese Traditional Medicine<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40\

From>:

> acukath <acukath%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:06

> -0400abort ABORM

>

> I am writing to express my concerns regarding the newly formed ABORM.As a

> member of AAAOM I am asking that the organization respond to theconcerns of

> its many members who are boycotting this board.There are several issues

> that I feel are especially germane to thediscussion regarding the formation

> of this specialty board.First, to my understanding, a medical specialty,

> as defined by ABMS (AmerBoard of Med Specialities) requires that if said

> specialist is a practicingphysician, s/he must confine her/his practice to

> said specialty. I do notbelieve the so-called ABORM 'specialists' are

> required to confine theirefforts *solely* to research, teaching or

> practicing of reproductivemedicine, therefore they do not meet the current

> accepted standard formedical specialists.Secondly, the newly formed board

> is self appointed and directed with nooverseeing body. If the profession is

> to begin to certify specializations,we need to determine a basic standard

> for specialties and their boards, andmust have an overseeing body to see

> that those standards are adhered to.While the practitioners involved in

> forming this board all have practices inreproductive medicine and hold the

> advancement of the profession in theirhearts, I do not believe they have the

> authority to self appoint themselvesto create and oversee a specialty board.

> If the profession determinesspecialties are desirable, channels and

> standards with oversight must bedeveloped by the profession as a whole, not

> determined by a well meaningfew.Thirdly, a valid concern has been raised

> regarding malpractice insurancewith the monopoly AAC for those practicing

> reproductive medicine, andwhether they would legitimize the specialty board

> by requiring the exam toqualify for malpractice insurance in this area of

> practice. As the boardand specialty is self-created with no oversight body,

> it is not legitimate.Fourthly, as the board is illegitimate, it falsely

> gives the general publicsecurity in said " Oriental Reproductive Medical

> Specialists " . The publicis falsely lead to believe that said practitioner is

> a qualified medicalspecialist meeting standards set by ABMS, when in fact no

> oversight body haslegitimized this specialty or the ORM specialist.Iadvocate

for an optional certification in ORM, requiring a set of

> edustandards and testing to see that candidates meet a level ofcompetency

> necessary to qualify a practitioner to provide these servicesand treatment

> to patients.For these reasons, I call on AAAOM to take a stand to abort

> ABORM.-- Board Certified in Oriental

> Medicine, NCCAOMExperienced, Dedicated, EffectiveAsheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing TwoAsheville, NC 28801

>

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August 11, 2007

Kath,

I respect your strong feelings on this issue, and would be wholly behind you

on the basis if an association was being formed for unethical and bogus

reasons. But I really think you need to take a second look at the

organisation as a whole, and I think you are being extremely disrespectful

to those involved. I feel you are misrepresenting the facts, you use words

like 'bogus' and 'seem to be qualified in ORM' if the people below are not

qualified then who is. You say this needs to go through colleges and get

accredited, that would be wonderful in an ideal world, but no college would

have the resources or expererience that this association has.

Can you carefully look at these 'small group of practitioners' as you

describe them, to me they are 'Pioneers in ORM'. And I respect and support

their energy in combining their experience and knowledge to allow for

greater education to us the many.

Ray Rubio, Dipl. Ac., Dipl. CH, DAOM

Dr. Rubio has been on Faculty at Emperor's College since 1999 where he

instructs students in Herbal Medicine and Oriental Diagnosis and supervises

student Interns in the Emperor's College Clinic Dr. Rubio is a part of the

inaugural cohort in Emperor's College first Doctoral Program .

Dr. Rubio's specialty is Women's Health, with an emphasis in Reproductive

Medicine and the treatment of Infertility.. He speaks to infertility support

groups such as Resolve regularly. He is a member of the American and Pacific

Societies for Reproductive Medicine, and is currently preparing a clinical

trial on the treatment of diminished ovarian reserve with Chinese Herbal

Medicine in patients undergoing IVF.

Randine Lewis, Lic.Ac., Ph.D.

Dr. Lewis is a diplomat with the NCCAOM, is a professional member of the

American Society for Reproductive Medicine, and is on the Women's Counsel of

the ASRM. She supports, lectures, and publishes articles for RESOLVE, the

American Infertility Association, and medical organizations, and is a

medical expert on numerous online fertility boards. Dr. Lewis authored The

Infertility Cure

Sadhna Singh , Lic.Ac., M.B.B.S. (India)

Sadhna Singh graduated from medical college, India in 1983. She has

practiced medicine for over 10 years in the fields of obstetrics, gynecology

and internal medicine. Then, as a Chief Medical Officer at a hospital, she

further gained invaluable clinical experience

Martin Herbkersman, L.Ac., D.Ac., Dipl.Ac., C.H., O.M.

He is the vice-president of the Board of Directors of the American

Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (AAAOM) and is a founding

member of the American Board of Oriental Reproductive Medicine. He serves as

Chairman of the South Carolina Acupuncture Advisory Committee to the Board

of Medical Examiners. He is also a member of the American Society for

Reproductive Medicine (ASRM).

Brandon Horn, JD, PhD©, L.Ac.

Brandon Horn, JD, PhD©, L.Ac. is a lecturer, researcher and clinician in the

fields of acupuncture, herbal medicine and nutrition. He has published

research in Fertility and Sterility and is currently involved in other

research examining acupuncture's role in improving the quality of the

uterine lining for women trying to conceive.

Dagmar Ehling, MAc, LAc, DOM, Dipl OM

Ms. Ehling is the author of The Chinese Herbalist's Handbook, which has also

been published in German. She was a faculty member at the International

Institute of for five years, and served as a New Mexico

State Licensure examiner for four years. Currently, she serves on the NCCAOM

Exam Development Committee for the national Chinese herbal certification

exam, and teaches internationally to physicians and lectures at Duke Center

for Integrative Medicine in Durham, NC.

Diane K. Cridennda, L.Ac., DOM

Diane's research on Poor Prognosis IVF Patients is published in the

supplement of Fertility and Sterility Vol. 81 Sup 3 April 2004. It won the

Private Practice Physician's award for Research. She presented her work to

the Pacific Coast Reproductive Society (PCRS) in 2005 on Improvement of IVF

Outcomes by Acupuncture. She has also presented her work on Good Prognosis

IVF patients to the American Society for Reproductive Medicine (ASRM) annual

meeting in Philadelphia as well as reporting to The World Congress For Human

Reproduction in Venice Italy on Acupuncture: Impact on Pregnancy Outcomes in

IVF Patients.

Dr. Lorne Brown B.Sc, Dr. TCM (CA), R.Ac

Committed to community outreach, Lorne serves on the Health Action Network

board, is an associate member of the Infertility Awareness Assoc. of BC and

a member of Capers Integrated Health Network. He has worked on numerous

boards and committees including chairing the Membership Committee of the

Traditional Chinese Medical Association of BC, and acting as the first

natural products expert for the University of British Columbia Clinical

Research Ethics Board.

Wenying Lin, MD (China), L.Ac.

Wenying received her medical degree from Beijing University of Traditional

in China. Upon completion of her six-year program, Wenying

worked at Beijing Xuan Wu Hospital where she used her western and Chinese

medicine training to treat a broad range of illnesses and diseases,

including infertility and chronic pain. Wenying received training from Dr.

XiaoPing Ji, an internationally renowned and respected acupuncturist, who

practices in China. Dr. Ji is the co-writer of Chinese Acupuncture and

Moxibustion (CAM).

Wenying was an instructor and clinic supervisor at the Colorado School of

Traditional Medicine.

Caylie See, M.S., L.Ac.

She is published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology and is currently

completing a study on the efficacy of combining fertility drugs with Chinese

herbal medicine. Additionally, Caylie teaches integrated anatomy and

physiology at California Institute of Integral Studies and has lectured on

women's health topics at UCSF. Caylie is a member of the American Society

for Reproductive Medicine and RESOLVE: the National Infertility

Organization.

Shiao-Ting Jing, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Currently on the faculty of both Yo San University of Traditional Chinese

Medicine, Los Angeles and Emperor's College of Traditional Oriental

Medicine, Santa Monica; former Clinic Supervisor, Yo San University Clinic.

Dr. Daoshing Ni, D.O.M, L.Ac., Ph.D, Dipl.C.H.

Dr. Dao has been active in the TCM profession as well as professional

organizations. He was an examiner for the California Acupuncture Committee

and also participated in the Chinese Herbology Exam development for NCCA.

Well known and respected for his special interest in reproductive and

gynecological conditions.

Richard P. Buyalos Jr., M.D., FACOG

Dr. Richard Buyalos is board certified in reproductive

endocrinology, obstetrics and gynecology and is a Fellow of the American

College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

With over 20 years of experience, since 1983, in ovulation induction and

assisted reproductive technology (ART), he has published more than 70

scientific articles, abstracts and book chapters, and is a member of

numerous professional organizations, including the Society of Reproductive

Endocrinologists and the Society of Reproductive Surgeons.

Dr. Buyalos serves on a variety of committees for both the American Society

for Reproductive Medicine and the American College of Obstetricians and

Gynecologists

Paul V. Murray III, L.Ac., C.N.C., M.B.A.

Paul is also the founder and clinical director of Acupuncture Associates,

the largest group of acupuncturists in the State of Colorado.

Paul is part of Craig Hospital's Complementary Alternative Medicine (CAM)

program. The CAM Program combines the expertise of Colorado's top medical

doctors and acupuncturists to Craig Hospital's most difficult cases

Paul is a member of the Acupuncture Association of Colorado, The American

Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, The American Association

of Nutritional Consultants, Advisory Board Member to the American Board of

Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, and is a founding Board Member of The

Fertility Cure.

Jane Lyttleton BSc, M Phil., Dip TCM (Aus), Cert Acup (China), Cert Herbal

Medicine (China)

Practitioner of Traditional , Sydney, Australia;

Guest Lecturer Department of Complementary Therapies, University

ofWestminster, UK; College of Social and Health Sciences,

Unit, University of Western Sydney, Australia. Jane is the Author of the

preeminent authoritative text on the treatment of reproductivedisorders with

Traditional (TCM): " Treatment of Infertility with Chinese

Medicine " .

I too have strong feeling on this matter, best wishes Kath.

Gordon Mullins.

August 11, 2007

Dear Kath...

Thank you for this letter. Even though you have strong emotions about

this...which makes sense to me...your letter is extremely clear, concise and

accurate. thank you for posting this..I am in full agreement with you.

In a climate where we are wanting to be seen as an upstanding profession I think

the ABORM makes us look very bad and also does not send an accurate message to

the public. I also wonder about the legal ramifications of this...and I wonder

why the NCCAOM is not openly addressing this topic?

Thank you again.

Linda

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