Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Hello, I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others have said. I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found to be turning points in their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience over time, but perhaps there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas. Thanks in advance for your stories. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives. Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of Chinese Medicine by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.) Study Daoism. Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are impersonal.) Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, lead them don't push. Never stop learning. Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health. Give family discounts. Never do anything you are not 100% sure about. Research you patients case and know what your options might be before you see them. Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members. Kelvin www.1stdefense.info Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " <jayburkelac wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas. > > Thanks in advance for your stories. > > Jason > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Kelvin, Be careful of the family discount thing as it could be illegal and definitely is not how medicine is or has been practiced. We are held to this standard unless you want to be the first to take it on legally. As for Mr. Kendall's book, there has been new information, both physiologically and anatomically that show of actual structures (ala Dr. Soh and originally Dr. Kim) that run parallel with the classical channel pathways. If you want I can send some of the recent published studies in pdf, one of these comes from the prestigious Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy). Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : acupuncturebeverlyhills: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:39 +0000Subject: Re: Turning Points Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives.Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.)Study Daoism.Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are impersonal.)Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, lead them don't push.Never stop learning.Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health.Give family discounts.Never do anything you are not 100% sure about.Research you patients case and know what your options might be before you see them.Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members.Kelvinwww.1stdefense.info--- In Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " <jayburkelac wrote:>> Hello,> > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas.> > Thanks in advance for your stories.> > Jason> _______________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=\ en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 --- Hi Mike Could you email me that too?? Is there a good book that explains Acupuncture in western medical terms?How pathways relate to anatomy? Kelvin I think my practice changed when I began to specialise. I was a lot more confident in my own ability to know one subject really thoroughly.I used to get quite annoyed that I didn't know everything about every condition. Take care Sharon In Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > Kelvin, > Be careful of the family discount thing as it could be illegal and definitely > is not how medicine is or has been practiced. We are held to this standard > unless you want to be the first to take it on legally. > > As for Mr. Kendall's book, there has been new information, both physiologically and > anatomically that show of actual structures (ala Dr. Soh and originally Dr. Kim) that > run parallel with the classical channel pathways. If you want I can send some of > the recent published studies in pdf, one of these comes from the prestigious > Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy). Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > : acupuncturebeverlyhills: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:39 +0000Re: Turning Points > > > > > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives.Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.)Study Daoism.Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are impersonal.)Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, lead them don't push.Never stop learning.Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health.Give family discounts.Never do anything you are not 100% sure about.Research you patients case and know what your options might be before you see them.Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members.Kelvinwww.1stdefense.info--- In Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " <jayburkelac@> wrote:>> Hello,> > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas.> > Thanks in advance for your stories.> > Jason> > > > _______________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 hello Mike, if you can email that pdf to me too. Thanks for the contribution. gilberto On 4/22/07, sharon391362 <sharon.campbell8 wrote: > > --- > Hi Mike > Could you email me that too?? > Is there a good book that explains Acupuncture in western medical > terms?How pathways relate to anatomy? > Kelvin I think my practice changed when I began to specialise. I was > a lot more confident in my own ability to know one subject really > thoroughly.I used to get quite annoyed that I didn't know everything > about every condition. > Take care > Sharon > In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > mike Bowser > <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > > > Kelvin, > > Be careful of the family discount thing as it could be illegal and > definitely > > is not how medicine is or has been practiced. We are held to this > standard > > unless you want to be the first to take it on legally. > > > > As for Mr. Kendall's book, there has been new information, both > physiologically and > > anatomically that show of actual structures (ala Dr. Soh and > originally Dr. Kim) that > > run parallel with the classical channel pathways. If you want I > can send some of > > the recent published studies in pdf, one of these comes from the > prestigious > > Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy). Mike W. > Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > : acupuncturebeverlyhills: > > Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:39 +0000Re: Turning Points > > > > > > > > > > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives.Learn > how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a > couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of by > Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.)Study Daoism.Spend time > with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one > complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are > impersonal.)Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, > meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their > case advanced, lead them don't push.Never stop learning.Make with > them a game plan on how they will achieve better health.Give family > discounts.Never do anything you are not 100% sure about.Research you > patients case and know what your options might be before you see > them.Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just > from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure > there will be a wealth of info from other > members.Kelvinwww.1stdefense.info--- In > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " jayburkelac " > <jayburkelac@> wrote:>> Hello,> > I don't often post here, but have > found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. > > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have > found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of > clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience > over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a > mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration > here, and maybe a few useful ideas.> > Thanks in advance for your > stories.> > Jason> > > > > > > ________ > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows > Live Spaces. It's easy! > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? > wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Thank you Kelvin. I've had my eye on the Dao of CM for a while, so I'll order that. Sharon, I've considered the possibility of specializing, but have been hampered by the cost of more education. Also being in the Midwest, I haven't come across substantial offerings. How much study, and of what kind, did you need before you felt you could call yourself a 'specialist' in your area? Anybody else care to comment? -- In Chinese Medicine , " acupuncturebeverlyhills " <acupuncturebeverlyhills wrote: > > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives. > > Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't > mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of Chinese > Medicine by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.) > > Study Daoism. > > Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. > (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors > are impersonal.) > > Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk > philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, > lead them don't push. > > Never stop learning. > > Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health. > > Give family discounts. > > Never do anything you are not 100% sure about. > > Research you patients case and know what your options might be before > you see them. > > Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " > > This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped > me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members. > > Kelvin > www.1stdefense.info > > > > Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " > <jayburkelac@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on > occasion perusing what others > > have said. > > > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found > to be turning points in > > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better > outcomes, and stability from a > > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is > experience over time, but perhaps > > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... > I'm looking for a little > > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas. > > > > Thanks in advance for your stories. > > > > Jason > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Hi Mike Could you, please, send these recent published studies in pdf to me too, including that one you specially mentioned from the Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy)? Thanks a lot , Marcio > hello Mike, > > if you can email that pdf to me too. Thanks for the contribution. > > gilberto > > On 4/22/07, sharon391362 <sharon.campbell8 wrote: >> >> --- >> Hi Mike >> Could you email me that too?? >> Is there a good book that explains Acupuncture in western medical >> terms?How pathways relate to anatomy? >> Kelvin I think my practice changed when I began to specialise. I was >> a lot more confident in my own ability to know one subject really >> thoroughly.I used to get quite annoyed that I didn't know everything >> about every condition. >> Take care >> Sharon >> In >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, >> mike Bowser >> <naturaldoc1 wrote: >> > >> > Kelvin, >> > Be careful of the family discount thing as it could be illegal and >> definitely >> > is not how medicine is or has been practiced. We are held to this >> standard >> > unless you want to be the first to take it on legally. >> > >> > As for Mr. Kendall's book, there has been new information, both >> physiologically and >> > anatomically that show of actual structures (ala Dr. Soh and >> originally Dr. Kim) that >> > run parallel with the classical channel pathways. If you want I >> can send some of >> > the recent published studies in pdf, one of these comes from the >> prestigious >> > Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy). Mike W. >> Bowser, L Ac >> > >> > >> > : acupuncturebeverlyhills: >> >> Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:39 +0000Re: Turning Points >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives.Learn >> how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a >> couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of by >> Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.)Study Daoism.Spend time >> with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one >> complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are >> impersonal.)Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, >> meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their >> case advanced, lead them don't push.Never stop learning.Make with >> them a game plan on how they will achieve better health.Give family >> discounts.Never do anything you are not 100% sure about.Research you >> patients case and know what your options might be before you see >> them.Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just >> from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure >> there will be a wealth of info from other >> members.Kelvinwww.1stdefense.info--- In >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, >> " jayburkelac " >> <jayburkelac@> wrote:>> Hello,> > I don't often post here, but have >> found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. >> > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have >> found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of >> clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > >> business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience >> over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a >> mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration >> here, and maybe a few useful ideas.> > Thanks in advance for your >> stories.> > Jason> >> > >> > >> > ________ >> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows >> Live Spaces. It's easy! >> > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? >> wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Me too?! Thank you Joni - luna Monday, April 23, 2007 3:04 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Turning Points Hi Mike Could you, please, send these recent published studies in pdf to me too, including that one you specially mentioned from the Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy)? Thanks a lot , Marcio > hello Mike, > > if you can email that pdf to me too. Thanks for the contribution. > > gilberto > > On 4/22/07, sharon391362 <sharon.campbell8 wrote: >> >> --- >> Hi Mike >> Could you email me that too?? >> Is there a good book that explains Acupuncture in western medical >> terms?How pathways relate to anatomy? >> Kelvin I think my practice changed when I began to specialise. I was >> a lot more confident in my own ability to know one subject really >> thoroughly.I used to get quite annoyed that I didn't know everything >> about every condition. >> Take care >> Sharon >> In >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, >> mike Bowser >> <naturaldoc1 wrote: >> > >> > Kelvin, >> > Be careful of the family discount thing as it could be illegal and >> definitely >> > is not how medicine is or has been practiced. We are held to this >> standard >> > unless you want to be the first to take it on legally. >> > >> > As for Mr. Kendall's book, there has been new information, both >> physiologically and >> > anatomically that show of actual structures (ala Dr. Soh and >> originally Dr. Kim) that >> > run parallel with the classical channel pathways. If you want I >> can send some of >> > the recent published studies in pdf, one of these comes from the >> prestigious >> > Journal of the Anatomical Record, part B (new anatomy). Mike W. >> Bowser, L Ac >> > >> > >> > : acupuncturebeverlyhills: >> >> Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:39 +0000Re: Turning Points >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives.Learn >> how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't mean a >> couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of by >> Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.)Study Daoism.Spend time >> with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. (Number one >> complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors are >> impersonal.)Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, >> meditation, talk philosophy, give them choices of how they want their >> case advanced, lead them don't push.Never stop learning.Make with >> them a game plan on how they will achieve better health.Give family >> discounts.Never do anything you are not 100% sure about.Research you >> patients case and know what your options might be before you see >> them.Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " This is just >> from the top of my head some of the things that helped me. I'm sure >> there will be a wealth of info from other >> members.Kelvinwww.1stdefense.info--- In >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, >> " jayburkelac " >> <jayburkelac@> wrote:>> Hello,> > I don't often post here, but have >> found some helpful info on occasion perusing what others > have said. >> > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have >> found to be turning points in > their practices, both in terms of >> clinical success, and better outcomes, and stability from a > >> business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is experience >> over time, but perhaps > there was a class, a book, a technique, a >> mentor, a realization.... I'm looking for a little > inspiration >> here, and maybe a few useful ideas.> > Thanks in advance for your >> stories.> > Jason> >> > >> > >> > ________ >> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows >> Live Spaces. It's easy! >> > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? >> wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Ask them " What would your life be like if you didn't have _____. " How would it look. That question surprises people. They are stuck on what isn't. Get them to look toward what can be. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " acupuncturebeverlyhills " <acupuncturebeverlyhills > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives. > > Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't > mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of Chinese > Medicine by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.) > > Study Daoism. > > Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. > (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors > are impersonal.) > > Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk > philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, > lead them don't push. > > Never stop learning. > > Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health. > > Give family discounts. > > Never do anything you are not 100% sure about. > > Research you patients case and know what your options might be before > you see them. > > Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " > > This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped > me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members. > > Kelvin > www.1stdefense.info > > > > Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " > <jayburkelac wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on > occasion perusing what others > > have said. > > > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found > to be turning points in > > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better > outcomes, and stability from a > > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is > experience over time, but perhaps > > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... > I'm looking for a little > > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas. > > > > Thanks in advance for your stories. > > > > Jason > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Sharon, Pick an area (or two) you like to work with. Put the intention out to attract those patients. Put it on your business cards and brochures. I write an artilce every month and it shows my intention in healing. I personally like emotional issues: depression, stress, anxiety - and things related to all this (that's everything) It is all over my cards and articles, so I attract people like this. I also like relieving pain quickly, that is not marketed well by me, but I still attract these clients. More serious, internal illness, MS, Cancer, I rarely get calls on and when I do, if I am uncomfortable with it, I refer them out. I wish I could scan my business card, but computer tech is not one of my strengths. Has a beautiful moon logs at left and says my name Anne C. Crowley Titles Changing Lives Through Natural Healing Stress Relief Chronic Pain Relief Depression Relief Disease Prevention Increased Energy Wellness Counseling Phone Numbers You can put what ever you like to treat first on your literature, talk about it, attact the patients and you are becoming a specialist. I would not get too narrow if you are just starting out. I have a friend who is in a highly saturated market - acupuncture school there and many acupuncturists in MD. She rented a space in a GYN office (they have a complementary wing - she is only acupuncturist - and by the way she helped to create this). She has an interest in infertility patients and has taken a lot of workshops along those lines. She treats all kinds of patients but this is a speciality for her. Her practice is booming. I have an interest also in athletes and teenage ADH kids (particularly boys) - both of these markets would take time for me to devlelop and I am one of a few acupuncturists here, so I don't go any more specialized than my first preference, which is emotional issues Again I like Lynn Grodski, who wrote a book " Building Your Ideal Private Pratice. " She talks about specializing also. Hope this helps, Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " jayburkelac " <jayburkelac > Thank you Kelvin. I've had my eye on the Dao of CM for a while, so I'll order > that. > > Sharon, I've considered the possibility of specializing, but have been hampered > by the cost > of more education. Also being in the Midwest, I haven't come across substantial > offerings. > How much study, and of what kind, did you need before you felt you could call > yourself a > 'specialist' in your area? > > Anybody else care to comment? > > -- In Chinese Medicine , " acupuncturebeverlyhills " > <acupuncturebeverlyhills wrote: > > > > Be the change you would like to see in your patients lives. > > > > Learn how to explain what you do in western terms. By this I don't > > mean a couple a phrases but know it down. (The Dao of Chinese > > Medicine by Kendall, has it pretty good in chapter 14.) > > > > Study Daoism. > > > > Spend time with your patients, get to know them, listen to them. > > (Number one complaint with patients is that they think the Doctors > > are impersonal.) > > > > Do everything you can for them, acu, diet, exercise, meditation, talk > > philosophy, give them choices of how they want their case advanced, > > lead them don't push. > > > > Never stop learning. > > > > Make with them a game plan on how they will achieve better health. > > > > Give family discounts. > > > > Never do anything you are not 100% sure about. > > > > Research you patients case and know what your options might be before > > you see them. > > > > Read " The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. " > > > > This is just from the top of my head some of the things that helped > > me. I'm sure there will be a wealth of info from other members. > > > > Kelvin > > www.1stdefense.info > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " jayburkelac " > > <jayburkelac@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I don't often post here, but have found some helpful info on > > occasion perusing what others > > > have said. > > > > > > I was wondering what succesful practitioners 'out there' have found > > to be turning points in > > > their practices, both in terms of clinical success, and better > > outcomes, and stability from a > > > business standpoint. I realize that the key ingredient is > > experience over time, but perhaps > > > there was a class, a book, a technique, a mentor, a realization.... > > I'm looking for a little > > > inspiration here, and maybe a few useful ideas. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your stories. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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