Vegetarianism, native cultures, diet and lifestyle

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<zrosenbe wrote

One of the biggest problems with meat in the modern world is its

quality. The hormones, antibiotics, preparation and breeding methods

have radically transformed the quality of meat that most people eat.

 

Z'ev,

 

That goes for dairy and eggs as well, Z'ev. I would also add one more

important issue to this discussion: There is a pervasive myth that native

cultures known for their longevity and vitality were vegetarians. The classic

study by Weston Price, DDS, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " points out for

example that Swiss mountain villagers subsisted primarily on unpasteurized and

cultured dairy food, rye, a little meat, vegetables and berries. Gaelic fisher

people of the Outer Hebrides subsisted on cod, shellfish and oats. Eskimo, or

Innu, ate a diet of almost 100% animal products and would usually ferment their

meat before eating it. The Maori of New Zealand, along with other South sea

islanders, consumed sea food of every sort - fish, shark, octopus, sea worms,

shellfish - along with fatty pork and a wide variety of plant foods including

coconut and fruit. African cattle-keeping tribes like the Masai consumed

virtually no plant foods at all, just beef, raw milk,

organ meats, and blood (in times of drought). The Dinkas of the Sudan, whom

Price claimed were the healthiest of all the African tribes he studied, ate a

combination of fermented whole grains with fish, along with smaller amounts of

red meat, vegetables, and fruit. The Bantu, on the other hand, the least hardy

of the African tribes studied, were primarily agriculturists. Their diet

consisted mostly of beans, squash, corn, millet, vegetables, and fruits, with

small amounts of milk and meat.

 

Price never found a totally vegetarian culture. Modern anthropological data

support this: all cultures and peoples show a preference for animal foods and

animal fat. Price also noted that all cultures consumed fermented foods each

day, and noted one other quality: they were happy!

 

So bottom line: Does vegetarianism following the wisdom of native cultures?

Nope. What then were their hallmarks of health and longevity?: 1. Organic and

fresh food. 2. fermented food. 3. Where available, lots of seafood. 4. No

pasteurization, homogenization, chemicals, hormones, antibiotics or

preservatives. 5. Foods rich in fat. 6. no sugar. 7. being happy.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

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Yehuda, thanks for the quote from Weston Price.

Price's research was impeccable and pure veganism (without dairy) can

literally not be found in any ancient culture. Even Brahmans of the Indus

valley eat and ate loads of the holy cow milk in curds and yogurts.

Vitamin B-12 and Omega 3 EFAs (found mainly in free-range grass-fed/grazing

animal flesh and organ meat, also available in certain plants) are crucial

for homeostasis.

 

However, ancient vs modern and individual vs societal eating habits can be

differentiated here.

In pre-modern times, there wasn't access to multi-vitamins and nutritional

supplements as we have today with mass transportation of goods.

So, now I believe that veganism can work if you know what to supplement your

diet with, obviously from the guys who are still kickin' around after

decades.

Also, consciousness has evolved to the point where there is enough

availability of these supplements and vegetables at " health food stores " and

on the " world wide web " , which allows simple accessibility to all of these

products without breaking your back.

Furthermore, Jainists of old for instance, who barely ate anything and

Jainists of today, who barely eat anything, can survive because their

" focus " is on getting by with the bare minimum and their culture and the

surrounding society allows for their lifestyle. Today, with the

stratification of society into specialization, this may even be easier.

You can be a " breath-arian " , " light-arian " , " fruit-arian " , " veget-arian " or

" meat-arian " and write a book about it, which may get published and pay for

continuing your lifestyle. In the 70s, hundreds of these books came out.

In pre-industrial times, strenuous physical labor necessitated more animal

meat intake, unless you were part of the upper crust class that had other

people do your laundry and farming. Today, theoretically, with less need of

your gross muscle skills, being vegetarianism as an option is more sound.

Also, as was noted before, this world is becoming " tighter " with the

population explosions of the last couple hundred years and to be

compassionate to the planet and all life on it, eating more vegetables and

less meat can help reduce deforestation and feed more people (around a

billion people on this planet are severely under-nourished).

Animals are slaughtered in most places without ritual and sacredness, so

this is another consideration.

Plus, we need to think about seven generations into the future...

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 3/25/07, wrote:

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> <zrosenbe <zrosenbe%40san.rr.com>> wrote

> One of the biggest problems with meat in the modern world is its

> quality. The hormones, antibiotics, preparation and breeding methods

> have radically transformed the quality of meat that most people eat.

>

> Z'ev,

>

> That goes for dairy and eggs as well, Z'ev. I would also add one more

> important issue to this discussion: There is a pervasive myth that native

> cultures known for their longevity and vitality were vegetarians. The

> classic study by Weston Price, DDS, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration "

> points out for example that Swiss mountain villagers subsisted primarily on

> unpasteurized and cultured dairy food, rye, a little meat, vegetables and

> berries. Gaelic fisher people of the Outer Hebrides subsisted on cod,

> shellfish and oats. Eskimo, or Innu, ate a diet of almost 100% animal

> products and would usually ferment their meat before eating it. The Maori of

> New Zealand, along with other South sea islanders, consumed sea food of

> every sort - fish, shark, octopus, sea worms, shellfish - along with fatty

> pork and a wide variety of plant foods including coconut and fruit. African

> cattle-keeping tribes like the Masai consumed virtually no plant foods at

> all, just beef, raw milk,

> organ meats, and blood (in times of drought). The Dinkas of the Sudan,

> whom Price claimed were the healthiest of all the African tribes he studied,

> ate a combination of fermented whole grains with fish, along with smaller

> amounts of red meat, vegetables, and fruit. The Bantu, on the other hand,

> the least hardy of the African tribes studied, were primarily

> agriculturists. Their diet consisted mostly of beans, squash, corn, millet,

> vegetables, and fruits, with small amounts of milk and meat.

>

> Price never found a totally vegetarian culture. Modern anthropological

> data support this: all cultures and peoples show a preference for animal

> foods and animal fat. Price also noted that all cultures consumed fermented

> foods each day, and noted one other quality: they were happy!

>

> So bottom line: Does vegetarianism following the wisdom of native

> cultures? Nope. What then were their hallmarks of health and longevity?: 1.

> Organic and fresh food. 2. fermented food. 3. Where available, lots of

> seafood. 4. No pasteurization, homogenization, chemicals, hormones,

> antibiotics or preservatives. 5. Foods rich in fat. 6. no sugar. 7. being

> happy.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Yehuda

>

> <zrosenbe <zrosenbe%40san.rr.com>> wrote:

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Dear Participants, okay I can't keep my two cents out of this one. Yehuda,

please get your facts straight. Who ever told you that the Innuit, Innu, or the

Eskimos ate mostly fermented meat is completely and utterly misinformed. These

Native People living in CANADA, (and I am a Canadian as well as having lived for

many years in the far North), traditionally ate, and still often do eat RAW

meat, much of it shortly after it is killed. I thought this was a TCM forum not

a lesson in vegetarianism and other dietary choices. Sorry if my hackles are up.

With all due respect, Joe Carrot

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:59:35 PM

Re: Vegetarianism, native cultures, diet and lifestyle

 

 

<zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> wrote

One of the biggest problems with meat in the modern world is its

quality. The hormones, antibiotics, preparation and breeding methods

have radically transformed the quality of meat that most people eat.

 

Z'ev,

 

That goes for dairy and eggs as well, Z'ev. I would also add one more important

issue to this discussion: There is a pervasive myth that native cultures known

for their longevity and vitality were vegetarians. The classic study by Weston

Price, DDS, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " points out for example that

Swiss mountain villagers subsisted primarily on unpasteurized and cultured dairy

food, rye, a little meat, vegetables and berries. Gaelic fisher people of the

Outer Hebrides subsisted on cod, shellfish and oats. Eskimo, or Innu, ate a diet

of almost 100% animal products and would usually ferment their meat before

eating it. The Maori of New Zealand, along with other South sea islanders,

consumed sea food of every sort - fish, shark, octopus, sea worms, shellfish -

along with fatty pork and a wide variety of plant foods including coconut and

fruit. African cattle-keeping tribes like the Masai consumed virtually no plant

foods at all, just beef, raw milk,

organ meats, and blood (in times of drought). The Dinkas of the Sudan, whom

Price claimed were the healthiest of all the African tribes he studied, ate a

combination of fermented whole grains with fish, along with smaller amounts of

red meat, vegetables, and fruit. The Bantu, on the other hand, the least hardy

of the African tribes studied, were primarily agriculturists. Their diet

consisted mostly of beans, squash, corn, millet, vegetables, and fruits, with

small amounts of milk and meat.

 

Price never found a totally vegetarian culture. Modern anthropological data

support this: all cultures and peoples show a preference for animal foods and

animal fat. Price also noted that all cultures consumed fermented foods each

day, and noted one other quality: they were happy!

 

So bottom line: Does vegetarianism following the wisdom of native cultures?

Nope. What then were their hallmarks of health and longevity?: 1. Organic and

fresh food. 2. fermented food. 3. Where available, lots of seafood. 4. No

pasteurization, homogenization, chemicals, hormones, antibiotics or

preservatives. 5. Foods rich in fat. 6. no sugar. 7. being happy.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

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For those of you interested in traditional nutrient dense western

nutrition start to research the work of Weston A Price

www.westonaprice.org and join their foundation. It is work worth

supporting worldwide.

 

Weston A Price found that there was a big difference in the facial

structure between those on their native diets and those whose parents

had adopted the " civilized " diets of devitalized processed foods. For

example Samoan children have wide, handsome faces with plenty of room

for the dental arches. The children born to parents who had abandoned

their traditional diets, have narrowed faces, crowded teeth and a

reduced immunity to disease.

 

In my work studying nutrition and competing at an elite level (in the

past ) I found the The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and

Trish Fahey very useful. There is no one diet that could be

appropriate for everyone - biochemically we are individuals.

 

Your optimal fuel mix will give you the following:

Apetite and Saiety:

Feel full satisfied until your next meal

Do NOT have sweet cravings

Do NOT desire more food

Do NOT need to snack before next meal

A meal that is not of your optimal fuel mix typically leaves you

feeling one or all of the following:

Feel physically full, but still hungry

Have desire for something sweet

Not satisfied, feel like something was missing

Already hungry

 

Energy Levels

Have good, lasting, " normal " sense of energy

Energy Feels renewed

A meal that is not of your optimal fuel mix typically leaves you

feeling one or all of the following:

Meal gave me too much or too little energy

Became hyper, jittery, shaky, nervous or speedy

Felt hyper, but exhausted " underneath "

Energy tanked from meal - exhaustion, sleepiness, drowsiness,

listlessness or lethargy

 

Mind, Emotions and Well Being

Improved well being

Sense of feeling refueled, renewed & restored

Some emotional upliftment

Improved mental clarity and sharpness

Normalisation of thought processes

A meal that is not of your optimal fuel mix typically leaves you

feeling one or all of the following:

Mentally slow, sluggish ro spacy

Inability think quickly or clearly

Hyper, overly rapid thoughts

Inability to focus or concentrate

Apathy, depression, withdrawal or sadness

Anxious, depression, withdrawal or sadness

 

Some people need to eat frequently, before going to bed for a good

nights sleep, only white meats or only high purine meats or very

little meat etc etc.

If you are interested take their online questionnaire or become an MT

advisor - I found the process very interesting.

 

Blessings

Rossana