demon terminology in Chinese medicine

[Guest guest]

Z'ev, I did a bit of research and asked a teacher of mine who specializes in

mental health,

about traditional Chinese terms for what we call " demon " in English.

 

In pinyin, there is a four character phrase to describe four types of

'demon' figures:

They are yao (1st tone), mo (2nd tone), gui (3rd tone), guai (4th tone)

 

Yao is considered a desirous, tempting siren-like being that lures one in

with good-looks, but has malevolent actions.

Mo is a scary demon with fangs or horns that reminds us of a hungry ghost in

the bardo or keeper of the gates of hell.

Gui is an etheric 'ghost' -like spirit that is used often in medical

terminology, as in the 13 ghost points.

Guai is a parasite or malicious bug that can cause " Gu " type of diseases.

(Heiner Fruehauf and Bob Flaws have written about these)

 

A plain definition of a " demon " is anything that can negatively affect the

spirit-mind = " jing-shen " and the hun-po connection.

Another interesting interpretation is that parasites are not considered

demons themselves.

They are only the carriers for these kinds of entities.

Pathological xie-feng " wind " may be a guiding force.

Dampness, Blood stasis and Vacuous tissues may be areas which welcome these

kinds of " demons "

(hypothetically, certain kinds of cancers may be connected to " spiritual "

forces (mental-emotional) that lodge in people)

This may explain partially why certain cancers can experience remission so

spontaneously

and why there is so much literature out, which likens certain cancers to

repressed expression in the 'emotional body'.

 

Heiner Fruehauf has written two articles on " demon " related diseases in the

context of Chinese medicine.

One article can be found at www.itmonline.org (not free-access),

called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

 

Another article, which I have read, is called, " Driving out demons and

snakes: Gu syndrome and a forgotten clinical approach to chronic parasitism "

(available from Journal of #57)

 

Here is a quote from the article,

" A closer examination of the original texts illuminates the mysterious

concept of Gu syndrome as a valid clinical approach that may potentially

provide an answer to the many invisible 'demons' that plague patients in a

modern age, namely systemic funguses, parasites, viruses and other hidden

pathogens. "

 

From the article..

'Gu' is a term that has been used to describe, " abdominal worm infestation "

~ 2000 yrs ago,

from the Showen Jiezi, the earliest Chinese dictionary.

The character depicts " Two or three worms squirming in a vessel " .

As the term for hexagram 18 in the Yi Jing (book of Changes), it is also

translated as " degeneration " ...

other associated descriptives are.. stagnation, corruption, decay, vermin

and " black magic used to kill or confuse others " .

 

Bob Flaws wrote an article on Gu syndrome and Yin Fire..

http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/guparasites.cfm

 

Interestingly, celiac disease (someone connected this with schizophrenia)

and digestive infiltration with certain kinds of parasites/ fungi, yeasts/

bacteria, can alter the mind-spirit into what we may call " possession " .

I have been told that the Small Intestine (xiao chang fu), due to it's

yin-yang connection with the Heart (xin zang),

can affect the mind-spirit in this fashion. (SI-Heart Fire)

 

Hope this contributes to the health and well-being of your patients.

k.

 

'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of

a problem.'

 

Jiddu Krishnamurti

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, John. That is quite comprehensive. My point with the

discussion was that the Worsley school specifically needs to do a

better job at referencing, explaining and sourcing terms and concepts

that they use in order to avoid unnecessary distortions and

'mystification' of Chinese materials.

 

 

On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

 

> Z'ev, I did a bit of research and asked a teacher of mine who

> specializes in

> mental health,

> about traditional Chinese terms for what we call " demon " in English.

>

> In pinyin, there is a four character phrase to describe four types of

> 'demon' figures:

> They are yao (1st tone), mo (2nd tone), gui (3rd tone), guai (4th

> tone)

>

> Yao is considered a desirous, tempting siren-like being that lures

> one in

> with good-looks, but has malevolent actions.

> Mo is a scary demon with fangs or horns that reminds us of a hungry

> ghost in

> the bardo or keeper of the gates of hell.

> Gui is an etheric 'ghost' -like spirit that is used often in medical

> terminology, as in the 13 ghost points.

> Guai is a parasite or malicious bug that can cause " Gu " type of

> diseases.

> (Heiner Fruehauf and Bob Flaws have written about these)

>

> A plain definition of a " demon " is anything that can negatively

> affect the

> spirit-mind = " jing-shen " and the hun-po connection.

> Another interesting interpretation is that parasites are not

> considered

> demons themselves.

> They are only the carriers for these kinds of entities.

> Pathological xie-feng " wind " may be a guiding force.

> Dampness, Blood stasis and Vacuous tissues may be areas which

> welcome these

> kinds of " demons "

> (hypothetically, certain kinds of cancers may be connected to

> " spiritual "

> forces (mental-emotional) that lodge in people)

> This may explain partially why certain cancers can experience

> remission so

> spontaneously

> and why there is so much literature out, which likens certain

> cancers to

> repressed expression in the 'emotional body'.

>

> Heiner Fruehauf has written two articles on " demon " related

> diseases in the

> context of Chinese medicine.

> One article can be found at www.itmonline.org (not free-access),

> called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

>

> Another article, which I have read, is called, " Driving out demons and

> snakes: Gu syndrome and a forgotten clinical approach to chronic

> parasitism "

> (available from Journal of #57)

>

> Here is a quote from the article,

> " A closer examination of the original texts illuminates the

> mysterious

> concept of Gu syndrome as a valid clinical approach that may

> potentially

> provide an answer to the many invisible 'demons' that plague

> patients in a

> modern age, namely systemic funguses, parasites, viruses and other

> hidden

> pathogens. "

>

> From the article..

> 'Gu' is a term that has been used to describe, " abdominal worm

> infestation "

> ~ 2000 yrs ago,

> from the Showen Jiezi, the earliest Chinese dictionary.

> The character depicts " Two or three worms squirming in a vessel " .

> As the term for hexagram 18 in the Yi Jing (book of Changes), it is

> also

> translated as " degeneration " ...

> other associated descriptives are.. stagnation, corruption, decay,

> vermin

> and " black magic used to kill or confuse others " .

>

> Bob Flaws wrote an article on Gu syndrome and Yin Fire..

> http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/guparasites.cfm

>

> Interestingly, celiac disease (someone connected this with

> schizophrenia)

> and digestive infiltration with certain kinds of parasites/ fungi,

> yeasts/

> bacteria, can alter the mind-spirit into what we may call

> " possession " .

> I have been told that the Small Intestine (xiao chang fu), due to it's

> yin-yang connection with the Heart (xin zang),

> can affect the mind-spirit in this fashion. (SI-Heart Fire)

>

> Hope this contributes to the health and well-being of your patients.

> k.

>

> 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the

> understanding of

> a problem.'

>

> Jiddu Krishnamurti

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great information. I was wondering if anyone knows the traditional

Chinese characters for the types of spirits mentioned. I am

interested in running them by my Japanese colleagues.

 

Many thanks

 

David Toone

MSOM Candidate

 

 

On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

 

> Z'ev, I did a bit of research and asked a teacher of mine who

> specializes in

> mental health,

> about traditional Chinese terms for what we call " demon " in English.

>

> In pinyin, there is a four character phrase to describe four types of

> 'demon' figures:

> They are yao (1st tone), mo (2nd tone), gui (3rd tone), guai (4th

> tone)

>

> Yao is considered a desirous, tempting siren-like being that lures

> one in

> with good-looks, but has malevolent actions.

> Mo is a scary demon with fangs or horns that reminds us of a hungry

> ghost in

> the bardo or keeper of the gates of hell.

> Gui is an etheric 'ghost' -like spirit that is used often in medical

> terminology, as in the 13 ghost points.

> Guai is a parasite or malicious bug that can cause " Gu " type of

> diseases.

> (Heiner Fruehauf and Bob Flaws have written about these)

>

> A plain definition of a " demon " is anything that can negatively

> affect the

> spirit-mind = " jing-shen " and the hun-po connection.

> Another interesting interpretation is that parasites are not

> considered

> demons themselves.

> They are only the carriers for these kinds of entities.

> Pathological xie-feng " wind " may be a guiding force.

> Dampness, Blood stasis and Vacuous tissues may be areas which

> welcome these

> kinds of " demons "

> (hypothetically, certain kinds of cancers may be connected to

> " spiritual "

> forces (mental-emotional) that lodge in people)

> This may explain partially why certain cancers can experience

> remission so

> spontaneously

> and why there is so much literature out, which likens certain

> cancers to

> repressed expression in the 'emotional body'.

>

> Heiner Fruehauf has written two articles on " demon " related

> diseases in the

> context of Chinese medicine.

> One article can be found at www.itmonline.org (not free-access),

> called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

>

> Another article, which I have read, is called, " Driving out demons and

> snakes: Gu syndrome and a forgotten clinical approach to chronic

> parasitism "

> (available from Journal of #57)

>

> Here is a quote from the article,

> " A closer examination of the original texts illuminates the

> mysterious

> concept of Gu syndrome as a valid clinical approach that may

> potentially

> provide an answer to the many invisible 'demons' that plague

> patients in a

> modern age, namely systemic funguses, parasites, viruses and other

> hidden

> pathogens. "

>

> From the article..

> 'Gu' is a term that has been used to describe, " abdominal worm

> infestation "

> ~ 2000 yrs ago,

> from the Showen Jiezi, the earliest Chinese dictionary.

> The character depicts " Two or three worms squirming in a vessel " .

> As the term for hexagram 18 in the Yi Jing (book of Changes), it is

> also

> translated as " degeneration " ...

> other associated descriptives are.. stagnation, corruption, decay,

> vermin

> and " black magic used to kill or confuse others " .

>

> Bob Flaws wrote an article on Gu syndrome and Yin Fire..

> http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/guparasites.cfm

>

> Interestingly, celiac disease (someone connected this with

> schizophrenia)

> and digestive infiltration with certain kinds of parasites/ fungi,

> yeasts/

> bacteria, can alter the mind-spirit into what we may call

> " possession " .

> I have been told that the Small Intestine (xiao chang fu), due to it's

> yin-yang connection with the Heart (xin zang),

> can affect the mind-spirit in this fashion. (SI-Heart Fire)

>

> Hope this contributes to the health and well-being of your patients.

> k.

>

> 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the

> understanding of

> a problem.'

>

> Jiddu Krishnamurti

>

>

[Guest guest]

1.) ? which is pronounced as you1, I believe, as in you1ling2 ??: a dead

person's spirit appearing

 

2.) mo2 ?

 

3.) gui3 ?

 

4.) guai4? ? probably this one, meaning strange, monster, devil. I don't

know it in the meaning of parasite though.

 

----

 

David Toone

11/02/2007 6:07:44

Chinese Medicine

Re: demon terminology in Chinese medicine

 

Great information. I was wondering if anyone knows the traditional

Chinese characters for the types of spirits mentioned. I am

interested in running them by my Japanese colleagues.

 

Many thanks

 

David Toone

MSOM Candidate

 

On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

 

 

> In pinyin, there is a four character phrase to describe four types of

> 'demon' figures:

> They are yao (1st tone), mo (2nd tone), gui (3rd tone), guai (4th

> tone)

>

> Yao is considered a desirous, tempting siren-like being that lures

> one in

> with good-looks, but has malevolent actions.

> Mo is a scary demon with fangs or horns that reminds us of a hungry

> ghost in

> the bardo or keeper of the gates of hell.

> Gui is an etheric 'ghost' -like spirit that is used often in medical

> terminology, as in the 13 ghost points.

> Guai is a parasite or malicious bug that can cause " Gu " type of

> diseases.

> (Heiner Fruehauf and Bob Flaws have written about these)

>

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I can't see the characters! They have disappeared! : )

 

Second try:

 

you1 ?

mo2 ?

gui3 ?

guai4 ?

 

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Tom Verhaeghe

11/02/2007 7:41:08

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Re: demon terminology in Chinese medicine

 

1.) ? which is pronounced as you1, I believe, as in you1ling2 ??: a dead

person's spirit appearing

 

2.) mo2 ?

 

3.) gui3 ?

 

4.) guai4? ? probably this one, meaning strange, monster, devil. I don't

know it in the meaning of parasite though.

 

----

 

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11/02/2007 6:07:44

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Re: demon terminology in Chinese medicine

 

Great information. I was wondering if anyone knows the traditional

Chinese characters for the types of spirits mentioned. I am

interested in running them by my Japanese colleagues.

 

Many thanks

 

David Toone

MSOM Candidate

 

On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

 

 

> In pinyin, there is a four character phrase to describe four types of

> 'demon' figures:

> They are yao (1st tone), mo (2nd tone), gui (3rd tone), guai (4th

> tone)

>

> Yao is considered a desirous, tempting siren-like being that lures

> one in

> with good-looks, but has malevolent actions.

> Mo is a scary demon with fangs or horns that reminds us of a hungry

> ghost in

> the bardo or keeper of the gates of hell.

> Gui is an etheric 'ghost' -like spirit that is used often in medical

> terminology, as in the 13 ghost points.

> Guai is a parasite or malicious bug that can cause " Gu " type of

> diseases.

> (Heiner Fruehauf and Bob Flaws have written about these)

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi John,

 

The article 'Disorders Caused by Demons' was actually written by

Subhuti Dharamananda. Just in case anyone is trying to find it.

 

Attilio

www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

 

 

> Heiner Fruehauf has written two articles on " demon " related diseases

in the

> context of Chinese medicine.

> One article can be found at www.itmonline.org (not free-access),

> called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

[Guest guest]

Thanks Attilio,

You're right. That particular article was written by Subhuti D., not Heiner

F.,

who co-wrote or authored many articles on itmonline.org.

That was a typo. Thanks for catching that with the internet peer-review.

By the way, has anyone gotten the chance to read that article?

 

J.K.

 

 

 

On 2/12/07, <attiliodalberto wrote:

>

> Hi John,

>

> The article 'Disorders Caused by Demons' was actually written by

> Subhuti Dharamananda. Just in case anyone is trying to find it.

>

> Attilio

> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

>

> > Heiner Fruehauf has written two articles on " demon " related diseases

> in the

> > context of Chinese medicine.

> > One article can be found at www.itmonline.org (not free-access),

> > called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

>

>

>

 

 

 

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a problem.'

 

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