Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 For thoses of you who may not know, there's a movement in New York State to include herbs in the scope of practice for licensed acupuncturists who meet the necessary educational requirements. We're trying to get as many practioners as possible to a town hall meeting on Sunday, February 11 to discuss this. I'm including the information on the meeting as well as a FAQ sheet on the initiative. Please pass this along to any New York State practioners (or interested folks from other states) you may know. Also, if anyone is planning on coming from far away and would need housing, please contact me. I'll do my best to help find accommodations. Best wishes, Sarah Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM www.slopeacupuncture.com NEW YORK STATE COALITION FOR ACUPUNCTURE LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVE Please Join Us on Sunday, February 11th For A Very Important Town Hall Discussion On This Legislative Initiative. TOWN HALL MEETING SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH, 2007 Touro College, School of Health Sciences, 27 West 23rd Street, 6th floor, New York, NY 10010 3:00-5:00 PM FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ANSWERS BY MICHAEL TAROMINA, ESQ. & MARILEE MURPHY, L.Ac., R.N. Members of the Coalition Steering Committee 1. WHO IS THE COALITION? The coalition is not new. Traditionally, it has come together reactively to defend the profession against adverse legislation (example: the podiatric, chiropractic bid for 300 hour certification and comment on recently proposed naturopath licensure). The coalition is comprised of practitioners, alumni associations, acupuncture schools, professional associations and students This recent assembling of the coalition is unique in that, for the first time, it will be proactively seeking to amend legislation in favor of the long-term interest and protection of the practice. As of today, three New York acupuncture schools (Touro, New York Chiropractic College, Swedish Institute) High Falls Gardens, are all in full support of the coalition's efforts. Other organizations are involved in the conversation and are expected to participate. 2. WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION NOW ON THE ISSUE OF HERBAL PRACTICE? Legally, acupuncturists can practice herbs in New York solely by virtue of the fact that it is not presently regulated by New York State; therefore anyone can do it. (Note: Education and/or experience do not legally permit acupuncturists to practice herbs under New York law.) Several recent indicators, however, strongly suggest that acupuncturists' are increasingly in jeopardy of losing the tenuous legal standing to practice herbs: & #8721; Highly-trained acupuncturists/herbalists in New York have been told by state regulators that if they did not stop advertising and practicing herbs under their acupuncture practice, a professional misconduct complaint would be initiated against them. The basis for these threatened misconduct complaints is because New York State Division of Corporations currently requires acupuncturists choose only " professional " corporations, i.e. PCs or PLLCs (non-professional c-corporations, partnerships or limited liability companies are not permissible acupuncture entities). This corporate entity regulation thereby prohibits an acupuncturist from practicing herbs through their business since a " professional " corporate entity can only offer PROFESSIONAL LICENSED services. Herbs are not a licensed service or profession, thus they are prohibited under a professional corporate entity. & #8721; Other professions are working aggressively in New York to gain herbs in their scope of practice. The naturopaths recently failed to pass a bill that would have introduced a naturopath license in New York. This proposed bill sought to include the practice of herbs under the naturopath scope of practice. As soon as another profession, such as naturopathy, gains or defines herbal practice in its scope, the acupuncture profession in New York will be at a distinct disadvantage in the marketplace. Although this won't necessarily preclude acupuncturists or others from herbal practice it will certainly cede the professional standards, marketability and protection of herbal practice without restriction to naturopaths, not acupuncturists. Thereafter, any responsive action by the acupuncture community will be from a defensive or weaker position. & #8721; Increasing FDA interest in herbal regulation also poses potential threats to the future herbal practice by acupuncturists. Absent statutory protection in New York State, unregulated herbal practice remains at high risk to be regulated, restricted or prohibited in a manner not favorable to acupuncturists. In summary: a) Lack of regulation is the present legal status of herbs in NY (Note: This is the weakest form of " legal protection " ); b) NY prohibits the practice of herbs under " acupuncture " corporate entities c) Other highly-marketable, professional competitors are seeking herbal scope and regulation in NY. This combination of factors, the coalition believes, demands an immediate, proactive, legislative initiative to secure the present and future of the profession by asserting the affirmative legal right in NY to practice herbs under the acupuncture statute. 3. WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESS? Despite the enormous hurdles to enact legislation in New York State the coalition believes that success is possible provided: & #8721; THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BILL IS WRITTEN TO MAXIMIZE ITS LEGITIMACY AND LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESSFUL POLITICAL PASSAGE. The most important (and difficult) reality for any profession seeking legislative change to grasp is the political reality. Proposed legislation will be quickly dismissed and defeated as an attempt to self-serve the profession unless it is presented to legislators containing the highest of standards and assumption of responsibilities. More specifically, to be credible in an attempt to ask politicians for further legal protection it is the profession's responsibility (and political reality) to present language that first and foremost protects the public, not the practitioner's economic interest. It cannot be stressed enough that we will ask for securer legal protection from politicians not necessarily inclined or friendly to our cause and potentially strongly counter-influenced by opponents; accordingly, we must present a proposal that offers the highest standards of public protection in exchange for their support. LIKEWISE, IT IS CRITICAL TO MINIMIZE THE LEGITIMACY OF ARGUMENTS MADE BY POTENTIAL OPPONENTS LOBBYING AGAINST THE PROPOSED BILL. Written and overwhelmingly supported by the acupuncture profession to establish and maintain the highest of standards in order to protect and better serve the public, the proposed bill will be effectively immune to legitimate arguments against passage that may be made by other professions and opponents—some of whom will be well-funded and skilled in their defensive lobbying efforts. Once again it must be stressed, the profession cannot legislatively obtain " ideal " terms of practice; therefore the Coalition intends to seek changes that are both needed and politically-feasible at this time in this State. & #8721; THE ACUPUNCTURE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND PARTICIPATE IN THE CAUSE BY DEDICATING THE NECESSARY EFFORT AND RESOURCES. This Coalition cause cannot succeed without the overwhelming support and commitment of the majority acupuncture community. 4. IF I DON'T PRACTICE HERBS, HOW WILL I BE AFFECTED? As proposed, not at all. Only future acupuncturists who want to practice herbs will be affected. 5. WHAT HERBAL STANDARDS WILL BE PROPOSED? This is currently being researched by the Coalition in a comprehensive state by state canvassing project. However, it must again be stressed, that the final outcome of standards must be based upon what can be achieved politically in a very difficult state to navigate. To that end, the current educational standards in the United States are established by Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (ACAOM). Additionally, National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) has established a testing and herbal certification standard. Failure to link proposed New York standards, at minimum, in accordance with the aforementioned standards will undermine the credibility of the legislative purpose—to afford legal protection in exchange for the profession adopting and maintaining the strictest of professional standards. 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established standards to be able to practice herbs. 7. WHY CAN'T THERE BE A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM SO THAT PRACTITIONERS CAN PRACTICE PATENT HERBS WITH LESS TRAINING? Currently, ACAOM standards do not allow acupuncture and Oriental medicine schools to " partially train " students in herbs therefore a two-tiered system would be contrary to current national accredited educational standards. Suggesting that our practitioners can " self train " for patent herbs is not a credible or politically-feasible approach for protecting public safety as there is no clear line that can easily be drawn for such a practice. Simply stated, asking for two standards in NY without credible, adopted precedence (or a clear enforceable line) will be quickly rejected by legislators— who are largely not well-instructed on the issues or inclined to favor any new acupuncture amendment. 8. IF A PROFESSIONAL DOCTORATE IS COMING IN THE FUTURE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO WAIT TO MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES? There are indications that the national discussion and standards for the professional doctorate are NOT far enough along to warrant postponing this agenda for many reasons. First, if ACAOM approves a professional doctorate program, the Council of Colleges of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (CCAOM) has clearly stated its support for the master's degree to remain the entry-level degree for many more years (possibly 8 years more). There will be a transition time as some schools offer the masters program while others transition to the doctorate. There is a question as to whether a legislative change will be required once the professional doctorate is offered since degrees are not a legislative issue and schools can (and do) offer programs that exceed the licensure requirements. Secondly, there is a concern about New York State Department of Education's perception about approving professional doctorates programs that lead to a licensure that still does not include herbs within its scope. Having herbs in the scope of practice before the onset of professional doctorate may only potentially support the option of offering a DAOM as well as a D.Ac. in the future. 9. WHY IS CONTINUING EDUCATION INCLUDED AS PART OF THE INITIATIVE? Continuing education is a necessary component of professional standards, particularly in medicine where standards are always advancing. (Western medicine has long required continuing education.) Accordingly, any profession seeking to raise and/or maintain high standards of practice must commit itself to continuing education. Continuing education requirements will not only legitimize the proposed bill, it will also enhance the educational credibility, parity and status (thus employment opportunities) of New York practitioners in the eyes of hospital credentialing committees, other medical providers, and the public. (Note: Continuing Ed is already required for practitioners maintaining NCCAOM certification.) 10. WHY IS THERE A NEED TO INCREASE ACUPUNCTURE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE STATE BOARD? The goal to increase the acupuncture representation on the board is an outcome of data showing that this increase would bring the acupuncture board in line regarding representation consistent with other professional boards. While the current board may be functioning adequately, it is dependent upon the present group of personalities working well together and the future of acupuncture in New York State is better protected by increasing the number of Licensed Acupuncturists and stabilizing acupuncture representation on the board. 11. IS THIS INITIATIVE THE FINAL EFFORT FOR THE COALITION? Hopefully this initiative is the beginning of a larger proactive effort on behalf of the profession in New York. Important non-statutory issues will require on-going effort and organization. COALITION'S PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE GOALS 1. Include herbal practice in scope of practice for acupuncturists such that it is acknowledged and protected in the scope of practice. & #8721; For those wanting to practice and recommend herbs, documentation of training would be required. & #8721; A grandfathering clause will be included so that the impact of the new scope would take effect on a designated date for all future licensees. & #8721; Only LICENSED ACUPUNCTURISTS who are practicing herbs will be affected. The new law would not impact those individuals who practice herbs without an acupuncture license. 2. Require New York State Mandated Continuing Education Units for license renewal – equivalent to 12 hours per year. 3. Increase the number of members to State Acupuncture Board, to specifically include a higher number of licensed acupuncturists. Data supports that this would bring the acupuncture board in line with other professional boards. 4. Allow for visiting faculty to perform acupuncture inside of an educational context. This will mirror the provision in the Certified Acupuncturist (Certified Acupuncturist -MD, DDS, Osteopath) practice act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 good luck to you. i hope that the coalition is successful in its efforts. a few comments: 5. WHAT HERBAL STANDARDS WILL BE PROPOSED? This is currently being researched by the Coalition in a comprehensive state by state canvassing project. However, it must again be stressed, that the final outcome of standards must be based upon what can be achieved politically in a very difficult state to navigate. To that end, the current educational standards in the United States are established by Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (ACAOM). Additionally, National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) has established a testing and herbal certification standard. Failure to link proposed New York standards, at minimum, in accordance with the aforementioned standards will undermine the credibility of the legislative purpose—to afford legal protection in exchange for the profession adopting and maintaining the strictest of professional standards. chin. herbalist must show competency in their field by maintaining dipl. of chin. herbs status with NCCAOM. 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established standards to be able to practice herbs. no, competency requirements are meaningless if everyone is not required to follow them. under trained practitioners who are practicing herbs and want to continue to do so will have to bite the bullet and improve their edu background. this is for the good of their practice and the profession. if they know the material, the add'l course work will be a review, always beneficial. if they don't know the material, then they do indeed need the classes. its unfair to the public to grandfather in under trained practitioners. joe public assumes (rightly so) that everyone certified has met the necc. requirements. would you feel comfortable seeing a gfathered in doctor, who doesn't have necc. training? what if said doctor were a surgeon, or oncologist, would you feel comfortable? what if you didn't know the doctor was grandfathered, and so assume the training requirement had been met. how would you feel after discovering the doc was a grandfathered in, under trained impostor? not that i have any strong opinions on this subject. . . kb On 1/25/07, Sarah Rivkin <saydit wrote: > > For thoses of you who may not know, there's a movement in New York > State to include herbs in the scope of practice for licensed > acupuncturists who meet the necessary educational requirements. We're > trying to get as many practioners as possible to a town hall meeting > on Sunday, February 11 to discuss this. > > I'm including the information on the meeting as well as a FAQ sheet on > the initiative. Please pass this along to any New York State > practioners (or interested folks from other states) you may know. > > Also, if anyone is planning on coming from far away and would need > housing, please contact me. I'll do my best to help find accommodations. > > Best wishes, > > Sarah > > Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM > www.slopeacupuncture.com > > NEW YORK STATE COALITION FOR ACUPUNCTURE LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVE > > Please Join Us on Sunday, February 11th For A Very Important Town Hall > Discussion On This Legislative Initiative. > > TOWN HALL MEETING > SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH, 2007 > Touro College, School of Health Sciences, 27 West 23rd Street, 6th > floor, New York, NY 10010 > 3:00-5:00 PM > > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS > ANSWERS BY MICHAEL TAROMINA, ESQ. & MARILEE MURPHY, L.Ac., R.N. > Members of the Coalition Steering Committee > > 1. WHO IS THE COALITION? > The coalition is not new. Traditionally, it has come together > reactively to defend the profession against adverse legislation > (example: the podiatric, chiropractic bid for 300 hour certification > and comment on recently proposed naturopath licensure). The coalition > is comprised of practitioners, alumni associations, acupuncture > schools, professional associations and students This recent assembling > of the coalition is unique in that, for the first time, it will be > proactively seeking to amend legislation in favor of the long-term > interest and protection of the practice. > > As of today, three New York acupuncture schools (Touro, New York > Chiropractic College, Swedish Institute) High Falls Gardens, are all > in full support of the coalition's efforts. Other organizations are > involved in the conversation and are expected to participate. > > 2. WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION NOW ON THE ISSUE OF > HERBAL PRACTICE? > > Legally, acupuncturists can practice herbs in New York solely by > virtue of the fact that it is not presently regulated by New York > State; therefore anyone can do it. (Note: Education and/or experience > do not legally permit acupuncturists to practice herbs under New York > law.) > > Several recent indicators, however, strongly suggest that > acupuncturists' are increasingly in jeopardy of losing the tenuous > legal standing to practice herbs: > > & #8721; Highly-trained acupuncturists/herbalists in New York have been > told > by state regulators > that if they did not stop advertising and practicing herbs under their > acupuncture practice, a professional misconduct complaint > would be initiated against them. > > The basis for these threatened misconduct complaints is because New > York State Division of Corporations currently requires acupuncturists > choose only " professional " corporations, i.e. PCs or PLLCs > (non-professional c-corporations, partnerships or limited liability > companies are not permissible acupuncture entities). This corporate > entity regulation thereby prohibits an acupuncturist from practicing > herbs through their business since a " professional " corporate entity > can only offer PROFESSIONAL LICENSED services. Herbs are not a > licensed service or profession, thus they are prohibited under a > professional corporate entity. > > & #8721; Other professions are working aggressively in New York to gain > herbs > in their scope of practice. > > The naturopaths recently failed to pass a bill that would have > introduced a naturopath license in New York. This proposed bill sought > to include the practice of herbs under the naturopath scope of > practice. As soon as another profession, such as naturopathy, gains or > defines herbal practice in its scope, the acupuncture profession in > New York will be at a distinct disadvantage in the marketplace. > Although this won't necessarily preclude acupuncturists or others from > herbal practice it will certainly cede the professional standards, > marketability and protection of herbal practice without restriction to > naturopaths, not acupuncturists. Thereafter, any responsive action by > the acupuncture community will be from a defensive or weaker position. > > & #8721; Increasing FDA interest in herbal regulation also poses potential > threats to the future herbal practice by acupuncturists. > > Absent statutory protection in New York State, unregulated herbal > practice remains at high risk to be regulated, restricted or > prohibited in a manner not favorable to acupuncturists. > > In summary: > a) Lack of regulation is the present legal status of herbs in NY > (Note: This is the weakest form of " legal protection " ); > b) NY prohibits the practice of herbs under " acupuncture " corporate > entities > c) Other highly-marketable, professional competitors are seeking > herbal scope and > regulation in NY. > > This combination of factors, the coalition believes, demands an > immediate, proactive, legislative initiative to secure the present and > future of the profession by asserting the affirmative legal right in > NY to practice herbs under the acupuncture statute. > > 3. WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESS? > Despite the enormous hurdles to enact legislation in New York State > the coalition believes that success is possible provided: > > & #8721; THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BILL IS WRITTEN TO MAXIMIZE ITS LEGITIMACY > AND LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESSFUL POLITICAL PASSAGE. The most important > (and difficult) reality for any profession seeking legislative change > to grasp is the political reality. Proposed legislation will be > quickly dismissed and defeated as an attempt to self-serve the > profession unless it is presented to legislators containing the > highest of standards and assumption of responsibilities. More > specifically, to be credible in an attempt to ask politicians for > further legal protection it is the profession's responsibility (and > political reality) to present language that first and foremost > protects the public, not the practitioner's economic interest. It > cannot be stressed enough that we will ask for securer legal > protection from politicians not necessarily inclined or friendly to > our cause and potentially strongly counter-influenced by opponents; > accordingly, we must present a proposal that offers the highest > standards of public protection in exchange for their support. > > LIKEWISE, IT IS CRITICAL TO MINIMIZE THE LEGITIMACY OF ARGUMENTS MADE > BY POTENTIAL OPPONENTS LOBBYING AGAINST THE PROPOSED BILL. Written and > overwhelmingly supported by the acupuncture profession to establish > and maintain the highest of standards in order to protect and better > serve the public, the proposed bill will be effectively immune to > legitimate arguments against passage that may be made by other > professions and opponents—some of whom will be well-funded and skilled > in their defensive lobbying efforts. Once again it must be stressed, > the profession cannot legislatively obtain " ideal " terms of practice; > therefore the Coalition intends to seek changes that are both needed > and politically-feasible at this time in this State. > > & #8721; THE ACUPUNCTURE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND > PARTICIPATE IN THE CAUSE BY DEDICATING THE NECESSARY EFFORT AND > RESOURCES. This Coalition cause cannot succeed without the > overwhelming support and commitment of the majority acupuncture > community. > > 4. IF I DON'T PRACTICE HERBS, HOW WILL I BE AFFECTED? > As proposed, not at all. Only future acupuncturists who want to > practice herbs will be affected. > > 5. WHAT HERBAL STANDARDS WILL BE PROPOSED? > This is currently being researched by the Coalition in a comprehensive > state by state canvassing project. However, it must again be stressed, > that the final outcome of standards must be based upon what can be > achieved politically in a very difficult state to navigate. > > To that end, the current educational standards in the United States > are established by Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and > Oriental Medicine (ACAOM). Additionally, National Certification > Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) has > established a testing and herbal certification standard. Failure to > link proposed New York standards, at minimum, in accordance with the > aforementioned standards will undermine the credibility of the > legislative purpose—to afford legal protection in exchange for the > profession adopting and maintaining the strictest of professional > standards. > > 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I > STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? > The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the > new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to > practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new > acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established > standards to be able to practice herbs. > > 7. WHY CAN'T THERE BE A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM SO THAT PRACTITIONERS CAN > PRACTICE PATENT HERBS WITH LESS TRAINING? > Currently, ACAOM standards do not allow acupuncture and Oriental > medicine schools to " partially train " students in herbs therefore a > two-tiered system would be contrary to current national accredited > educational standards. Suggesting that our practitioners can " self > train " for patent herbs is not a credible or politically-feasible > approach for protecting public safety as there is no clear line that > can easily be drawn for such a practice. Simply stated, asking for two > standards in NY without credible, adopted precedence (or a clear > enforceable line) will be quickly rejected by legislators— who are > largely not well-instructed on the issues or inclined to favor any new > acupuncture amendment. > > 8. IF A PROFESSIONAL DOCTORATE IS COMING IN THE FUTURE, WOULDN'T IT BE > BETTER TO WAIT TO MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES? > There are indications that the national discussion and standards for > the professional doctorate are NOT far enough along to warrant > postponing this agenda for many reasons. First, if ACAOM approves a > professional doctorate program, the Council of Colleges of Acupuncture > and Oriental Medicine (CCAOM) has clearly stated its support for the > master's degree to remain the entry-level degree for many more years > (possibly 8 years more). There will be a transition time as some > schools offer the masters program while others transition to the > doctorate. There is a question as to whether a legislative change will > be required once the professional doctorate is offered since degrees > are not a legislative issue and schools can (and do) offer programs > that exceed the licensure requirements. > > Secondly, there is a concern about New York State Department of > Education's perception about approving professional doctorates > programs that lead to a licensure that still does not include herbs > within its scope. Having herbs in the scope of practice before the > onset of professional doctorate may only potentially support the > option of offering a DAOM as well as a D.Ac. in the future. > > 9. WHY IS CONTINUING EDUCATION INCLUDED AS PART OF THE INITIATIVE? > Continuing education is a necessary component of professional > standards, particularly in medicine where standards are always > advancing. (Western medicine has long required continuing education.) > Accordingly, any profession seeking to raise and/or maintain high > standards of practice must commit itself to continuing education. > Continuing education requirements will not only legitimize the > proposed bill, it will also enhance the educational credibility, > parity and status (thus employment opportunities) of New York > practitioners in the eyes of hospital credentialing committees, other > medical providers, and the public. (Note: Continuing Ed is already > required for practitioners maintaining NCCAOM certification.) > > 10. WHY IS THERE A NEED TO INCREASE ACUPUNCTURE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE > STATE BOARD? > The goal to increase the acupuncture representation on the board is an > outcome of data showing that this increase would bring the acupuncture > board in line regarding representation consistent with other > professional boards. While the current board may be functioning > adequately, it is dependent upon the present group of personalities > working well together and the future of acupuncture in New York State > is better protected by increasing the number of Licensed > Acupuncturists and stabilizing acupuncture representation on the board. > > 11. IS THIS INITIATIVE THE FINAL EFFORT FOR THE COALITION? > Hopefully this initiative is the beginning of a larger proactive > effort on behalf of the profession in New York. Important > non-statutory issues will require on-going effort and organization. > > COALITION'S PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE GOALS > > 1. Include herbal practice in scope of practice for acupuncturists > such that it is acknowledged and protected in the scope of practice. > > & #8721; For those wanting to practice and recommend herbs, documentation > of > training would be required. > & #8721; A grandfathering clause will be included so that the impact of the > new scope would take effect on a designated date for all future licensees. > & #8721; Only LICENSED ACUPUNCTURISTS who are practicing herbs will be > affected. The new law would not impact those individuals who practice > herbs without an acupuncture license. > > 2. Require New York State Mandated Continuing Education Units for > license renewal – equivalent to 12 hours per year. > > 3. Increase the number of members to State Acupuncture Board, to > specifically include a higher number of licensed acupuncturists. Data > supports that this would bring the acupuncture board in line with > other professional boards. > > 4. Allow for visiting faculty to perform acupuncture inside of an > educational context. This will mirror the provision in the Certified > Acupuncturist (Certified Acupuncturist -MD, DDS, Osteopath) practice act. > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Interesting, I feel that in order to make this type of change you will need practitioners who are willing to sacrifice their livelihood in order to have their support. Many are not willing to add more restrictions and limitations as well as possible economic loss to a difficult profession to start with. You will need to convince them not exclude them. I think you might need to grandfather in those who might be doing things w/o training in order to have outright professional support. We have gotten ourselves into a quagmire and there is no simple or comfortable way out. Yet as long as we continue to infight we lose solidarity and focus upon the many others who have NO training and practice. Best of luck with your endeavor. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ------- > Chinese Medicine > acukath > Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:10:49 -0500 > Re: Including herbs in the scope of practice for New York State LAc's > > good luck to you. i hope that the coalition is successful in its efforts. a > few comments: > > 5. WHAT HERBAL STANDARDS WILL BE PROPOSED? > This is currently being researched by the Coalition in a comprehensive > state by state canvassing project. However, it must again be stressed, > that the final outcome of standards must be based upon what can be > achieved politically in a very difficult state to navigate. > > To that end, the current educational standards in the United States > are established by Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and > Oriental Medicine (ACAOM). Additionally, National Certification > Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) has > established a testing and herbal certification standard. Failure to > link proposed New York standards, at minimum, in accordance with the > aforementioned standards will undermine the credibility of the > legislative purpose¡ªto afford legal protection in exchange for the > profession adopting and maintaining the strictest of professional > standards. > > chin. herbalist must show competency in their field by maintaining dipl. of > chin. herbs status with NCCAOM. > > 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I > STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? > The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the > new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to > practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new > acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established > standards to be able to practice herbs. > > no, competency requirements are meaningless if everyone is not required to > follow them. under trained practitioners who are practicing herbs and want > to continue to do so will have to bite the bullet and improve their edu > background. this is for the good of their practice and the profession. if > they know the material, the add'l course work will be a review, always > beneficial. if they don't know the material, then they do indeed need the > classes. its unfair to the public to grandfather in under trained > practitioners. joe public assumes (rightly so) that everyone certified has > met the necc. requirements. > > would you feel comfortable seeing a gfathered in doctor, who doesn't have > necc. training? what if said doctor were a surgeon, or oncologist, would > you feel comfortable? what if you didn't know the doctor was grandfathered, > and so assume the training requirement had been met. how would you feel > after discovering the doc was a grandfathered in, under trained impostor? > > not that i have any strong opinions on this subject. . . > > kb > > > On 1/25/07, Sarah Rivkin wrote: > > > > For thoses of you who may not know, there's a movement in New York > > State to include herbs in the scope of practice for licensed > > acupuncturists who meet the necessary educational requirements. We're > > trying to get as many practioners as possible to a town hall meeting > > on Sunday, February 11 to discuss this. > > > > I'm including the information on the meeting as well as a FAQ sheet on > > the initiative. Please pass this along to any New York State > > practioners (or interested folks from other states) you may know. > > > > Also, if anyone is planning on coming from far away and would need > > housing, please contact me. I'll do my best to help find accommodations. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sarah > > > > Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM > > www.slopeacupuncture.com > > > > NEW YORK STATE COALITION FOR ACUPUNCTURE LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVE > > > > Please Join Us on Sunday, February 11th For A Very Important Town Hall > > Discussion On This Legislative Initiative. > > > > TOWN HALL MEETING > > SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH, 2007 > > Touro College, School of Health Sciences, 27 West 23rd Street, 6th > > floor, New York, NY 10010 > > 3:00-5:00 PM > > > > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS > > ANSWERS BY MICHAEL TAROMINA, ESQ. & MARILEE MURPHY, L.Ac., R.N. > > Members of the Coalition Steering Committee > > > > 1. WHO IS THE COALITION? > > The coalition is not new. Traditionally, it has come together > > reactively to defend the profession against adverse legislation > > (example: the podiatric, chiropractic bid for 300 hour certification > > and comment on recently proposed naturopath licensure). The coalition > > is comprised of practitioners, alumni associations, acupuncture > > schools, professional associations and students This recent assembling > > of the coalition is unique in that, for the first time, it will be > > proactively seeking to amend legislation in favor of the long-term > > interest and protection of the practice. > > > > As of today, three New York acupuncture schools (Touro, New York > > Chiropractic College, Swedish Institute) High Falls Gardens, are all > > in full support of the coalition's efforts. Other organizations are > > involved in the conversation and are expected to participate. > > > > 2. WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION NOW ON THE ISSUE OF > > HERBAL PRACTICE? > > > > Legally, acupuncturists can practice herbs in New York solely by > > virtue of the fact that it is not presently regulated by New York > > State; therefore anyone can do it. (Note: Education and/or experience > > do not legally permit acupuncturists to practice herbs under New York > > law.) > > > > Several recent indicators, however, strongly suggest that > > acupuncturists' are increasingly in jeopardy of losing the tenuous > > legal standing to practice herbs: > > > > ¡Æ Highly-trained acupuncturists/herbalists in New York have been > > told > > by state regulators > > that if they did not stop advertising and practicing herbs under their > > acupuncture practice, a professional misconduct complaint > > would be initiated against them. > > > > The basis for these threatened misconduct complaints is because New > > York State Division of Corporations currently requires acupuncturists > > choose only " professional " corporations, i.e. PCs or PLLCs > > (non-professional c-corporations, partnerships or limited liability > > companies are not permissible acupuncture entities). This corporate > > entity regulation thereby prohibits an acupuncturist from practicing > > herbs through their business since a " professional " corporate entity > > can only offer PROFESSIONAL LICENSED services. Herbs are not a > > licensed service or profession, thus they are prohibited under a > > professional corporate entity. > > > > ¡Æ Other professions are working aggressively in New York to gain > > herbs > > in their scope of practice. > > > > The naturopaths recently failed to pass a bill that would have > > introduced a naturopath license in New York. This proposed bill sought > > to include the practice of herbs under the naturopath scope of > > practice. As soon as another profession, such as naturopathy, gains or > > defines herbal practice in its scope, the acupuncture profession in > > New York will be at a distinct disadvantage in the marketplace. > > Although this won't necessarily preclude acupuncturists or others from > > herbal practice it will certainly cede the professional standards, > > marketability and protection of herbal practice without restriction to > > naturopaths, not acupuncturists. Thereafter, any responsive action by > > the acupuncture community will be from a defensive or weaker position. > > > > ¡Æ Increasing FDA interest in herbal regulation also poses potential > > threats to the future herbal practice by acupuncturists. > > > > Absent statutory protection in New York State, unregulated herbal > > practice remains at high risk to be regulated, restricted or > > prohibited in a manner not favorable to acupuncturists. > > > > In summary: > > a) Lack of regulation is the present legal status of herbs in NY > > (Note: This is the weakest form of " legal protection " ); > > b) NY prohibits the practice of herbs under " acupuncture " corporate > > entities > > c) Other highly-marketable, professional competitors are seeking > > herbal scope and > > regulation in NY. > > > > This combination of factors, the coalition believes, demands an > > immediate, proactive, legislative initiative to secure the present and > > future of the profession by asserting the affirmative legal right in > > NY to practice herbs under the acupuncture statute. > > > > 3. WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESS? > > Despite the enormous hurdles to enact legislation in New York State > > the coalition believes that success is possible provided: > > > > ¡Æ THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE BILL IS WRITTEN TO MAXIMIZE ITS LEGITIMACY > > AND LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESSFUL POLITICAL PASSAGE. The most important > > (and difficult) reality for any profession seeking legislative change > > to grasp is the political reality. Proposed legislation will be > > quickly dismissed and defeated as an attempt to self-serve the > > profession unless it is presented to legislators containing the > > highest of standards and assumption of responsibilities. More > > specifically, to be credible in an attempt to ask politicians for > > further legal protection it is the profession's responsibility (and > > political reality) to present language that first and foremost > > protects the public, not the practitioner's economic interest. It > > cannot be stressed enough that we will ask for securer legal > > protection from politicians not necessarily inclined or friendly to > > our cause and potentially strongly counter-influenced by opponents; > > accordingly, we must present a proposal that offers the highest > > standards of public protection in exchange for their support. > > > > LIKEWISE, IT IS CRITICAL TO MINIMIZE THE LEGITIMACY OF ARGUMENTS MADE > > BY POTENTIAL OPPONENTS LOBBYING AGAINST THE PROPOSED BILL. Written and > > overwhelmingly supported by the acupuncture profession to establish > > and maintain the highest of standards in order to protect and better > > serve the public, the proposed bill will be effectively immune to > > legitimate arguments against passage that may be made by other > > professions and opponents¡ªsome of whom will be well-funded and skilled > > in their defensive lobbying efforts. Once again it must be stressed, > > the profession cannot legislatively obtain " ideal " terms of practice; > > therefore the Coalition intends to seek changes that are both needed > > and politically-feasible at this time in this State. > > > > ¡Æ THE ACUPUNCTURE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND > > PARTICIPATE IN THE CAUSE BY DEDICATING THE NECESSARY EFFORT AND > > RESOURCES. This Coalition cause cannot succeed without the > > overwhelming support and commitment of the majority acupuncture > > community. > > > > 4. IF I DON'T PRACTICE HERBS, HOW WILL I BE AFFECTED? > > As proposed, not at all. Only future acupuncturists who want to > > practice herbs will be affected. > > > > 5. WHAT HERBAL STANDARDS WILL BE PROPOSED? > > This is currently being researched by the Coalition in a comprehensive > > state by state canvassing project. However, it must again be stressed, > > that the final outcome of standards must be based upon what can be > > achieved politically in a very difficult state to navigate. > > > > To that end, the current educational standards in the United States > > are established by Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and > > Oriental Medicine (ACAOM). Additionally, National Certification > > Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) has > > established a testing and herbal certification standard. Failure to > > link proposed New York standards, at minimum, in accordance with the > > aforementioned standards will undermine the credibility of the > > legislative purpose¡ªto afford legal protection in exchange for the > > profession adopting and maintaining the strictest of professional > > standards. > > > > 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I > > STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? > > The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the > > new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to > > practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new > > acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established > > standards to be able to practice herbs. > > > > 7. WHY CAN'T THERE BE A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM SO THAT PRACTITIONERS CAN > > PRACTICE PATENT HERBS WITH LESS TRAINING? > > Currently, ACAOM standards do not allow acupuncture and Oriental > > medicine schools to " partially train " students in herbs therefore a > > two-tiered system would be contrary to current national accredited > > educational standards. Suggesting that our practitioners can " self > > train " for patent herbs is not a credible or politically-feasible > > approach for protecting public safety as there is no clear line that > > can easily be drawn for such a practice. Simply stated, asking for two > > standards in NY without credible, adopted precedence (or a clear > > enforceable line) will be quickly rejected by legislators¡ª who are > > largely not well-instructed on the issues or inclined to favor any new > > acupuncture amendment. > > > > 8. IF A PROFESSIONAL DOCTORATE IS COMING IN THE FUTURE, WOULDN'T IT BE > > BETTER TO WAIT TO MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES? > > There are indications that the national discussion and standards for > > the professional doctorate are NOT far enough along to warrant > > postponing this agenda for many reasons. First, if ACAOM approves a > > professional doctorate program, the Council of Colleges of Acupuncture > > and Oriental Medicine (CCAOM) has clearly stated its support for the > > master's degree to remain the entry-level degree for many more years > > (possibly 8 years more). There will be a transition time as some > > schools offer the masters program while others transition to the > > doctorate. There is a question as to whether a legislative change will > > be required once the professional doctorate is offered since degrees > > are not a legislative issue and schools can (and do) offer programs > > that exceed the licensure requirements. > > > > Secondly, there is a concern about New York State Department of > > Education's perception about approving professional doctorates > > programs that lead to a licensure that still does not include herbs > > within its scope. Having herbs in the scope of practice before the > > onset of professional doctorate may only potentially support the > > option of offering a DAOM as well as a D.Ac. in the future. > > > > 9. WHY IS CONTINUING EDUCATION INCLUDED AS PART OF THE INITIATIVE? > > Continuing education is a necessary component of professional > > standards, particularly in medicine where standards are always > > advancing. (Western medicine has long required continuing education.) > > Accordingly, any profession seeking to raise and/or maintain high > > standards of practice must commit itself to continuing education. > > Continuing education requirements will not only legitimize the > > proposed bill, it will also enhance the educational credibility, > > parity and status (thus employment opportunities) of New York > > practitioners in the eyes of hospital credentialing committees, other > > medical providers, and the public. (Note: Continuing Ed is already > > required for practitioners maintaining NCCAOM certification.) > > > > 10. WHY IS THERE A NEED TO INCREASE ACUPUNCTURE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE > > STATE BOARD? > > The goal to increase the acupuncture representation on the board is an > > outcome of data showing that this increase would bring the acupuncture > > board in line regarding representation consistent with other > > professional boards. While the current board may be functioning > > adequately, it is dependent upon the present group of personalities > > working well together and the future of acupuncture in New York State > > is better protected by increasing the number of Licensed > > Acupuncturists and stabilizing acupuncture representation on the board. > > > > 11. IS THIS INITIATIVE THE FINAL EFFORT FOR THE COALITION? > > Hopefully this initiative is the beginning of a larger proactive > > effort on behalf of the profession in New York. Important > > non-statutory issues will require on-going effort and organization. > > > > COALITION'S PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE GOALS > > > > 1. Include herbal practice in scope of practice for acupuncturists > > such that it is acknowledged and protected in the scope of practice. > > > > ¡Æ For those wanting to practice and recommend herbs, documentation > > of > > training would be required. > > ¡Æ A grandfathering clause will be included so that the impact of the > > new scope would take effect on a designated date for all future licensees. > > ¡Æ Only LICENSED ACUPUNCTURISTS who are practicing herbs will be > > affected. The new law would not impact those individuals who practice > > herbs without an acupuncture license. > > > > 2. Require New York State Mandated Continuing Education Units for > > license renewal ¨C equivalent to 12 hours per year. > > > > 3. Increase the number of members to State Acupuncture Board, to > > specifically include a higher number of licensed acupuncturists. Data > > supports that this would bring the acupuncture board in line with > > other professional boards. > > > > 4. Allow for visiting faculty to perform acupuncture inside of an > > educational context. This will mirror the provision in the Certified > > Acupuncturist (Certified Acupuncturist -MD, DDS, Osteopath) practice act. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 In the question about how to regulate NY herbalists it might be worth trying to find out how many people really are practicing herbology without any formal training. Is it really a widespread problem? Some real research needs to be done, not just relying on indivdual's perceptions of the situation, which can be very distorted by personal biases. Politics is by nature about compromise, give and take. In order to avoid destructive infighting and resistance from people who don't want more regulation, it might be worth giving a little and softening the stridency. Personally, I went for the formal herbs training because of my interest. But I don't look forward to all the continuing ed requirements. I've had my fill of hollow classes and workshops and I think it's a very uncreative solution (to every problem it seems!) to require more continuing education at every turn!! --RoseAnne, L. Ac, MSTOM, NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Actually, you will be able to practice just as you do now, illegally. David Molony In a message dated 1/26/07 9:51:52 AM, acukath writes: > 6. IF I HAVEN'T STUDIED HERBS BUT I CURRENTLY PRACTICE HERBS, WILL I > STILL BE ABLE TO DO SO? > The Coalition is proposing a grandfathering clause be included in the > new bill so that current practitioners will be able to continue to > practice herbs. The bill would set a future date after which all new > acupuncture licensees would need to meet the newly-established > standards to be able to practice herbs. > > no, competency requirements are meaningless if everyone is not required to > follow them. under trained practitioners who are practicing herbs and want > to continue to do so will have to bite the bullet and improve their edu > background. this is for the good of their practice and the profession. if > they know the material, the add'l course work will be a review, always > beneficial. if they don't know the material, then they do indeed need the > classes. its unfair to the public to grandfather in under trained > practitioners. joe public assumes (rightly so) that everyone certified has > met the necc. requirements. > " No one wants advice- only corroboration. " John Steinbeck David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 In a message dated 1/27/07 8:23:33 PM, naturaldoc1 writes: > " I've had my fill of hollow classes and workshops and I think it's a very > uncreative solution > (to every problem it seems!) to require more continuing education at every > turn!! " > > Please explain more about what you are hinting at and why the issue. Can't > or don't you > choose your ceu classes? There seems to be a lot of them out there. One > other thought > is to go the route of layperson, where there are few regulations and forget > the acupuncture. > > Forget about acupuncture? - after spending 4 yrs of school and $75,000 on my education? No, I don't think so. I'm just an anti-regulation person, that's all. Lucky for me, the enlightened state of New York, at present, does not require cont ed to maintain one's acu license. But what's under the surface of what i said? I think it's anger at having had to sit through hours and hours of unembodied, boring teaching in school. I just haven't gotten over it yet. Sorry for letting my gripes out to the group. --RoseAnne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 RoseAnne, " I've had my fill of hollow classes and workshops and I think it's a very uncreative solution (to every problem it seems!) to require more continuing education at every turn!! " Please explain more about what you are hinting at and why the issue. Can't or don't you choose your ceu classes? There seems to be a lot of them out there. One other thought is to go the route of layperson, where there are few regulations and forget the acupuncture. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac _______________ Get the new ! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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