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Homeopathic Formula " Apis " has long been used for rheumatism,

arthritis,inflammation in general. Is this somehow different?

 

Eclea, A.P., Florida

 

In Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto "

<attiliodalberto wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> Taken from: http://uk.news./26112006/356/bee-sting-cures-

pain.html

>

> Doctors in Beijing believe they have found a cure for rheumatism,

arthritis,

> back pain, and even a way to improve liver problems and cancers.

>

> It is called bee venom therapy, part of apitherapy - which is the

use of

> honeybee products like honey, pollen, royal jelly and venom for

medical

> purposes.

>

> Chinese patients are flocking to private clinics like this to be

stung in

> the hope of alleviating pain and curing diseases that state

hospitals cannot

> deal with.

>

> Traditionally, bee venom therapy uses live bees - forcing them to

sting in

> the affected area, trigger points or acupuncture points.

>

> Apitherapy doctors say the venom provokes an immune response.

>

> Some scientists believe it can modify the way the immune system

functions

> and contributes to increased production of hormones such as

cortisol.

>

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM

> Editor

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Hi All,

 

Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure,

complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides others.

Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac

diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts

....., then onion , lately Noni and so on...........

Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why

patients are still taking medications for those diseases ?

These things we should take into consideration and not referring to

any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own

judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a preventive

method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us may be

exxagerated, magnified, and amplified.

 

Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs !

Nam Nguyen

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Hi Eclea, & All,

 

> Homeopathic Formula " Apis " has long been used for rheumatism,

> arthritis,inflammation in general. Is this somehow different?

> Eclea, A.P., Florida

 

Homeopathic Apis usually poses no risk to the recipient. It.is quite different

from apitoxin, which can kill in rare circumstances.

 

Apis is diluted (potentised) to C6 or more (i.e. 1/100, six times or more, i.e.

1/1,000,000,000,000 or more). Analysis would detect n o bee venom in it.

Also, homeopathic Apis usually is given by mouth, although homeopaths

who also are acuupuncturists may inject specially prepared Apis solution

into selected acupoints.

 

Apitherapy, however, uses live bees to sting selected acupoints, or uses

injections of purified apitoxin (bee venom) (50-100ug per point). Apitherapy

or bee-venom injection can cause anaphylaxis and even death, in sensitive

people.

 

Best regards,

 

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Dr Nam Nguyen,

I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition of

disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and

sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core principle,however, of

Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you

mention can have several different patterns or combination of patterns

(liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall, chong/ren

disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can be

developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state

contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may be

essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid, may be

good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat, it

could aggravate it.

 

I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of Chinese

medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The

foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to require

alternative criteria.

 

 

 

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dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58

Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am

Re: Bee sting 'cures pain'

Chinese Medicine

 

> Hi All,

>

> Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure,

> complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides

others.

> Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac

> diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts

> ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on...........

> Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why

> patients are still taking medications for those diseases ?

> These things we should take into consideration and not referring to

> any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own

> judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a

preventive

> method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us

> may be

> exxagerated, magnified, and amplified.

>

> Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs !

> Nam Nguyen

>

>

>

>

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Does this not beg to challenge the whole idea of one illness, one cure? I seem

to remember four blood types and there are many chromosomal variations as well,

so why do we still believe in this?

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

________________________________

> Chinese Medicine

> dr_namnguyen58

> Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:38:27 +0000

> Re: Bee sting 'cures pain'

>

> Hi All,

> Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure,

> complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides others.

> Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac

> diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts

> ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on...........

> Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why

> patients are still taking medications for those diseases ?

> These things we should take into consideration and not referring to

> any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own

> judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a preventive

> method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us may be

> exxagerated, magnified, and amplified.

> Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs !

> Nam Nguyen

>

 

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Dear dr. ,

My care is that we should take everything in precaution as the general

practitioners and specialists do. We should not prefer them ( vitamin,

foods or fruits and vegetables ) as a cure but as a preventive method.

As an acupuncturist and herbalist for more than 10 yrs, I 've treated

some of the hypertension and diabetes succesfully, and some of

allergies such as hives, sinusitis.... but I am still not proud of it

because I have used a combination of herbal, acupuncture, vitamins and

diet and I have still have a long way to learn and educate myself. All

fruits and vegetables, herbal remedy, vitamins, and exercies I still

do prefer them as a complement to the health, not as a cure.

If we solely base on the theory of , we are bounded to

a limited ( Liv-Kid Yin, Yang, Qi deficiency; Sp-Sto deficiency,

obstruction; He-Kid deficiency , Blood and Qi deficiency and

stagnation, and some of excess and Qi rebellious, pathogenic factor

invasion. ) We should look out for more things with our perception to

help us to grow in Chinese perceptive. It is good for us not to claim

that we can cure a disease, but it is good that our patients who

support us through our cares and treatments with positive manners.

 

Thanks to all,

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , zrosenbe wrote:

>

> Dr Nam Nguyen,

> I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition of

> disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and

> sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core principle,however, of

> Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you

> mention can have several different patterns or combination of patterns

> (liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall, chong/ren

> disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can be

> developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state

> contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may be

> essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid, may be

> good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat, it

> could aggravate it.

>

> I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of Chinese

> medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The

> foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to require

> alternative criteria.

>

>

>

> -

> dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58

> Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am

> Re: Bee sting 'cures pain'

> Chinese Medicine

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure,

> > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides

> others.

> > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac

> > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts

> > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on...........

> > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why

> > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ?

> > These things we should take into consideration and not referring to

> > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own

> > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a

> preventive

> > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us

> > may be

> > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified.

> >

> > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs !

> > Nam Nguyen

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Dr. Nam,

I am not entirely sure of what you mean here by cure. Can you

state what the criteria for cure are? In my perception, 'cure' can be

obtained in many different ways. In one person, it may be forgiving

someone for a wrongdoing that affected them. In another, it may be

dietary change. In another, acupuncture/moxa to normalize qi flow.

In another, thyroxin for hypothyroidism.

 

I must disagree that Chinese pattern differentiation is limiting.

I find it to be an all-encompassing approach to medicine that is vast

and all-inclusive. It is no more limited than bian bing/disease

differentiation, which is used both in Chinese and biomedicine. The

technology of biomedicine may be able to reveal more at the cellular

level of disease, but there is no reason why Chinese medicine cannot

benefit from technological advantages. At the same time, the

diagnostic methods of Chinese medicine can sometimes reveal what

biomedical diagnosis cannot.

 

 

 

-

dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:07 am

Re: Bee sting 'cures pain'

Chinese Medicine

 

> Dear dr. ,

> My care is that we should take everything in precaution as the

general

> practitioners and specialists do. We should not prefer them (

vitamin,

> foods or fruits and vegetables ) as a cure but as a preventive

method.

> As an acupuncturist and herbalist for more than 10 yrs, I 've treated

> some of the hypertension and diabetes succesfully, and some of

> allergies such as hives, sinusitis.... but I am still not proud of it

> because I have used a combination of herbal, acupuncture, vitamins

and

> diet and I have still have a long way to learn and educate myself.

All

> fruits and vegetables, herbal remedy, vitamins, and exercies I still

> do prefer them as a complement to the health, not as a cure.

> If we solely base on the theory of , we are

> bounded to

> a limited ( Liv-Kid Yin, Yang, Qi deficiency; Sp-Sto deficiency,

> obstruction; He-Kid deficiency , Blood and Qi deficiency and

> stagnation, and some of excess and Qi rebellious, pathogenic factor

> invasion. ) We should look out for more things with our

> perception to

> help us to grow in Chinese perceptive. It is good for us not to claim

> that we can cure a disease, but it is good that our patients who

> support us through our cares and treatments with positive manners.

>

> Thanks to all,

> Nam Nguyen

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , zrosenbe

> wrote:>

> > Dr Nam Nguyen,

> > I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition

> of

> > disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and

> > sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core

> principle,however, of

> > Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you

> > mention can have several different patterns or combination of

> patterns

> > (liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall,

> chong/ren

> > disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can

> be

> > developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state

> > contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may

> be

> > essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid,

> may be

> > good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat,

> it

> > could aggravate it.

> >

> > I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of

> Chinese

> > medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The

> > foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to

> require

> > alternative criteria.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58

> > Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am

> > Re: Bee sting 'cures pain'

> > Chinese Medicine

> >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of

> cure,> > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we

> besides

> > others.

> > > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac

> > > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts

> > > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on...........

> > > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why

> > > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ?

> > > These things we should take into consideration and not

> referring to

> > > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own

> > > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a

> > preventive

> > > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving

> us

> > > may be

> > > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified.

> > >

> > > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs !

> > > Nam Nguyen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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