Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Homeopathic Formula " Apis " has long been used for rheumatism, arthritis,inflammation in general. Is this somehow different? Eclea, A.P., Florida In Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi all, > > Taken from: http://uk.news./26112006/356/bee-sting-cures- pain.html > > Doctors in Beijing believe they have found a cure for rheumatism, arthritis, > back pain, and even a way to improve liver problems and cancers. > > It is called bee venom therapy, part of apitherapy - which is the use of > honeybee products like honey, pollen, royal jelly and venom for medical > purposes. > > Chinese patients are flocking to private clinics like this to be stung in > the hope of alleviating pain and curing diseases that state hospitals cannot > deal with. > > Traditionally, bee venom therapy uses live bees - forcing them to sting in > the affected area, trigger points or acupuncture points. > > Apitherapy doctors say the venom provokes an immune response. > > Some scientists believe it can modify the way the immune system functions > and contributes to increased production of hormones such as cortisol. > > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hi All, Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure, complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides others. Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts ....., then onion , lately Noni and so on........... Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why patients are still taking medications for those diseases ? These things we should take into consideration and not referring to any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a preventive method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us may be exxagerated, magnified, and amplified. Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs ! Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hi Eclea, & All, > Homeopathic Formula " Apis " has long been used for rheumatism, > arthritis,inflammation in general. Is this somehow different? > Eclea, A.P., Florida Homeopathic Apis usually poses no risk to the recipient. It.is quite different from apitoxin, which can kill in rare circumstances. Apis is diluted (potentised) to C6 or more (i.e. 1/100, six times or more, i.e. 1/1,000,000,000,000 or more). Analysis would detect n o bee venom in it. Also, homeopathic Apis usually is given by mouth, although homeopaths who also are acuupuncturists may inject specially prepared Apis solution into selected acupoints. Apitherapy, however, uses live bees to sting selected acupoints, or uses injections of purified apitoxin (bee venom) (50-100ug per point). Apitherapy or bee-venom injection can cause anaphylaxis and even death, in sensitive people. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dr Nam Nguyen, I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition of disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core principle,however, of Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you mention can have several different patterns or combination of patterns (liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall, chong/ren disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can be developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may be essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid, may be good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat, it could aggravate it. I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of Chinese medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to require alternative criteria. - dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am Re: Bee sting 'cures pain' Chinese Medicine > Hi All, > > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure, > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides others. > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on........... > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ? > These things we should take into consideration and not referring to > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a preventive > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us > may be > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified. > > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs ! > Nam Nguyen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Does this not beg to challenge the whole idea of one illness, one cure? I seem to remember four blood types and there are many chromosomal variations as well, so why do we still believe in this? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ________________________________ > Chinese Medicine > dr_namnguyen58 > Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:38:27 +0000 > Re: Bee sting 'cures pain' > > Hi All, > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure, > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides others. > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on........... > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ? > These things we should take into consideration and not referring to > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a preventive > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us may be > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified. > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs ! > Nam Nguyen > _______________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dear dr. , My care is that we should take everything in precaution as the general practitioners and specialists do. We should not prefer them ( vitamin, foods or fruits and vegetables ) as a cure but as a preventive method. As an acupuncturist and herbalist for more than 10 yrs, I 've treated some of the hypertension and diabetes succesfully, and some of allergies such as hives, sinusitis.... but I am still not proud of it because I have used a combination of herbal, acupuncture, vitamins and diet and I have still have a long way to learn and educate myself. All fruits and vegetables, herbal remedy, vitamins, and exercies I still do prefer them as a complement to the health, not as a cure. If we solely base on the theory of , we are bounded to a limited ( Liv-Kid Yin, Yang, Qi deficiency; Sp-Sto deficiency, obstruction; He-Kid deficiency , Blood and Qi deficiency and stagnation, and some of excess and Qi rebellious, pathogenic factor invasion. ) We should look out for more things with our perception to help us to grow in Chinese perceptive. It is good for us not to claim that we can cure a disease, but it is good that our patients who support us through our cares and treatments with positive manners. Thanks to all, Nam Nguyen Chinese Medicine , zrosenbe wrote: > > Dr Nam Nguyen, > I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition of > disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and > sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core principle,however, of > Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you > mention can have several different patterns or combination of patterns > (liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall, chong/ren > disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can be > developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state > contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may be > essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid, may be > good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat, it > could aggravate it. > > I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of Chinese > medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The > foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to require > alternative criteria. > > > > - > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 > Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am > Re: Bee sting 'cures pain' > Chinese Medicine > > > Hi All, > > > > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of cure, > > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we besides > others. > > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac > > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts > > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on........... > > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why > > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ? > > These things we should take into consideration and not referring to > > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own > > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a > preventive > > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving us > > may be > > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified. > > > > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs ! > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dear Dr. Nam, I am not entirely sure of what you mean here by cure. Can you state what the criteria for cure are? In my perception, 'cure' can be obtained in many different ways. In one person, it may be forgiving someone for a wrongdoing that affected them. In another, it may be dietary change. In another, acupuncture/moxa to normalize qi flow. In another, thyroxin for hypothyroidism. I must disagree that Chinese pattern differentiation is limiting. I find it to be an all-encompassing approach to medicine that is vast and all-inclusive. It is no more limited than bian bing/disease differentiation, which is used both in Chinese and biomedicine. The technology of biomedicine may be able to reveal more at the cellular level of disease, but there is no reason why Chinese medicine cannot benefit from technological advantages. At the same time, the diagnostic methods of Chinese medicine can sometimes reveal what biomedical diagnosis cannot. - dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:07 am Re: Bee sting 'cures pain' Chinese Medicine > Dear dr. , > My care is that we should take everything in precaution as the general > practitioners and specialists do. We should not prefer them ( vitamin, > foods or fruits and vegetables ) as a cure but as a preventive method. > As an acupuncturist and herbalist for more than 10 yrs, I 've treated > some of the hypertension and diabetes succesfully, and some of > allergies such as hives, sinusitis.... but I am still not proud of it > because I have used a combination of herbal, acupuncture, vitamins and > diet and I have still have a long way to learn and educate myself. All > fruits and vegetables, herbal remedy, vitamins, and exercies I still > do prefer them as a complement to the health, not as a cure. > If we solely base on the theory of , we are > bounded to > a limited ( Liv-Kid Yin, Yang, Qi deficiency; Sp-Sto deficiency, > obstruction; He-Kid deficiency , Blood and Qi deficiency and > stagnation, and some of excess and Qi rebellious, pathogenic factor > invasion. ) We should look out for more things with our > perception to > help us to grow in Chinese perceptive. It is good for us not to claim > that we can cure a disease, but it is good that our patients who > support us through our cares and treatments with positive manners. > > Thanks to all, > Nam Nguyen > > > > Chinese Medicine , zrosenbe > wrote:> > > Dr Nam Nguyen, > > I think the problem often has to do with cultural definition > of > > disease and health. Chinese medicine can definitely help, and > > sometimes cure the diseases you mention. A core > principle,however, of > > Chinese medicine is of pattern differentiation. Any disease you > > mention can have several different patterns or combination of > patterns > > (liver qi depression, kidney yin vacuity, spleen qi fall, > chong/ren > > disharmony, etc.) that has to be determined before treatment can > be > > developed. Also, a patient's lifestyle, mental/emotional state > > contributes to their present condition. Diet and exercise may > be > > essential modalities. Garlic, which in CM is hot and acrid, > may be > > good for a cold type of hypertension, but if there is much heat, > it > > could aggravate it. > > > > I think we need to be cautious when judging the efficacy of > Chinese > > medicine solely from the criteria of modern biomedicine. The > > foundational principles of Chinese medicine differ enough to > require > > alternative criteria. > > > > > > > > - > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 > > Monday, November 27, 2006 11:52 am > > Re: Bee sting 'cures pain' > > Chinese Medicine > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Eventhough doctors ( O.M.D ) in America can claim all kinds of > cure,> > complete cure , should we believe in them ? I mean we > besides > > others. > > > Years ago they all claimed garlic can cure hypertension, cardiac > > > diseases, cholesterol, glucosemia, hyperliposis, arthritis, gouts > > > ...., then onion , lately Noni and so on........... > > > Do they really have cure for any disease above ? If they do , why > > > patients are still taking medications for those diseases ? > > > These things we should take into consideration and not > referring to > > > any patients as a cure without investigation or without our own > > > judgment. As a professional, I think we may refer them as a > > preventive > > > method, but not a cure for anything because some data giving > us > > > may be > > > exxagerated, magnified, and amplified. > > > > > > Thanks all for advice, Please have more inputs ! > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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