Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando! , LAc Chinese Medicine , " Orlando Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school in Chile, > South America > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > www.medicinachina.cl > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary bladder. > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily efective. > Try those points. > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no big deal, > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that great, and I > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel similarly > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at something like > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > Avery > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > wrote: > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with acupuncture)who > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister (Japanese > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and Gingko > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off SSRIs in > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according to > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still taking > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major 4 or > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > formulas/medication. > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > Chiropractic Physician > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese Medicine Times > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Hi, nice to hear from you. Tomorrow I´ll send you all, a list of the point and how we are using this technique to treat depression in Chile, a country with a lot of depressed people. Orlando On 10/21/06, wrote: > > What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Orlando > Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school > in Chile, > > South America > > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > > www.medicinachina.cl > > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary > bladder. > > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily > efective. > > Try those points. > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and etc... On 10/22/06, wrote: > > What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Orlando > Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school > in Chile, > > South America > > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > > www.medicinachina.cl > > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary > bladder. > > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily > efective. > > Try those points. > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I have used St. John's wort to great effect. Use it with formulas such as Xiao Yao Wan and Mimosa (michael tierra sells a tincture of this formula), i find that using St. John's increases the bodies ability to move the qi/calm the spirit as well as assist in chai hu's function of accessing and motivating the liver. I have not yet seen bu nao work well. Actually the times when i've seen patients or fellow pracs take it they usually get diarrhea. Tym > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue wrote: >I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and >etc... Likely so. There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points -- Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to prepare for death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I have used the upper kidney points and outer bladder points for emotional issues. This was part of the Worsley school training I got. Ki 24 is very helpful for depression, hopelessness. Ki 23 Spirt Seal , person sealed off - cannot see their own identity, ; Ki 22 Walking on the Veranda - convalescent point stepping out and taking new chances in life - on the veranda (safe covering, first step out.). These are some notes I have. Lonnie Jarret explains them in much more detail in his articles, which can be found on his website - www.spiritpathpress.com Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue > wrote: > >I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and > >etc... > > Likely so. > > There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points -- > Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are > also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to > prepare for death. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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