Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando! , LAc Chinese Medicine , " Orlando Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school in Chile, > South America > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > www.medicinachina.cl > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary bladder. > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily efective. > Try those points. > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no big deal, > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that great, and I > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel similarly > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at something like > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > Avery > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > wrote: > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with acupuncture)who > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister (Japanese > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and Gingko > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off SSRIs in > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according to > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still taking > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major 4 or > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > formulas/medication. > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > Chiropractic Physician > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese Medicine Times > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 Hi, nice to hear from you. Tomorrow I´ll send you all, a list of the point and how we are using this technique to treat depression in Chile, a country with a lot of depressed people. Orlando On 10/21/06, wrote: > > What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Orlando > Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school > in Chile, > > South America > > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > > www.medicinachina.cl > > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary > bladder. > > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily > efective. > > Try those points. > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and etc... On 10/22/06, wrote: > > What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Orlando > Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote: > > > > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school > in Chile, > > South America > > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.) > > www.medicinachina.cl > > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat > > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary > bladder. > > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily > efective. > > Try those points. > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 I have used St. John's wort to great effect. Use it with formulas such as Xiao Yao Wan and Mimosa (michael tierra sells a tincture of this formula), i find that using St. John's increases the bodies ability to move the qi/calm the spirit as well as assist in chai hu's function of accessing and motivating the liver. I have not yet seen bu nao work well. Actually the times when i've seen patients or fellow pracs take it they usually get diarrhea. Tym > > > > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no > big deal, > > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that > great, and I > > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel > similarly > > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great. > > > > > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at > something like > > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan. > > > > > > Avery > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with > acupuncture)who > > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister > (Japanese > > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and > Gingko > > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off > SSRIs in > > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according > to > > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still > taking > > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major > 4 or > > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb > > > > formulas/medication. > > > > Tony (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN > > > Chiropractic Physician > > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists > > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > > www.docaltmed.com > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > > accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue wrote: >I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and >etc... Likely so. There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points -- Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to prepare for death. Quote
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 I have used the upper kidney points and outer bladder points for emotional issues. This was part of the Worsley school training I got. Ki 24 is very helpful for depression, hopelessness. Ki 23 Spirt Seal , person sealed off - cannot see their own identity, ; Ki 22 Walking on the Veranda - convalescent point stepping out and taking new chances in life - on the veranda (safe covering, first step out.). These are some notes I have. Lonnie Jarret explains them in much more detail in his articles, which can be found on his website - www.spiritpathpress.com Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue > wrote: > >I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and > >etc... > > Likely so. > > There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points -- > Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are > also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to > prepare for death. > > > Quote
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