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What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando! , LAc

 

Chinese Medicine , " Orlando

Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote:

>

> Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school

in Chile,

> South America

> The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.)

> www.medicinachina.cl

> Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat

> depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary

bladder.

> That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily

efective.

> Try those points.

>

> On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote:

> >

> > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no

big deal,

> > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that

great, and I

> > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel

similarly

> > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great.

> >

> > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at

something like

> > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan.

> >

> > Avery

> >

> >

> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with

acupuncture)who

> > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister

(Japanese

> > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and

Gingko

> > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off

SSRIs in

> > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according

to

> > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still

taking

> > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major

4 or

> > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb

> > > formulas/medication.

> > > Tony (UK)

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> > Chiropractic Physician

> > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> > www.docaltmed.com

> >

> >

> > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese

Medicine Times

> > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> >

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> >

> >

> >

and adjust

> > accordingly.

> >

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> > requires prior permission from the author.

> >

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absolutely

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Hi, nice to hear from you.

Tomorrow I´ll send you all, a list of the point and how we are using this

technique to treat depression in Chile, a country with a lot of depressed

people.

 

Orlando

 

 

On 10/21/06, wrote:

>

> What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Orlando

> Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote:

> >

> > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school

> in Chile,

> > South America

> > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.)

> > www.medicinachina.cl

> > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat

> > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary

> bladder.

> > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily

> efective.

> > Try those points.

> >

> > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no

> big deal,

> > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that

> great, and I

> > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel

> similarly

> > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great.

> > >

> > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at

> something like

> > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan.

> > >

> > > Avery

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with

> acupuncture)who

> > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister

> (Japanese

> > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and

> Gingko

> > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off

> SSRIs in

> > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according

> to

> > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still

> taking

> > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major

> 4 or

> > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb

> > > > formulas/medication.

> > > > Tony (UK)

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> > > Chiropractic Physician

> > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> > > www.docaltmed.com

> > >

> > >

> > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese

> Medicine Times

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > >

> > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

> > >

> > >

> > >

> and adjust

> > > accordingly.

> > >

> > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

> the group

> > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > >

> > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> absolutely

> > > necessary.

> > >

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I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and

etc...

 

On 10/22/06, wrote:

>

> What are these? Please tell us more, Orlando!, LAc

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Orlando

> Rodriguez Urriola " <orodriguez.urriola wrote:

> >

> > Hi, my name is Orlando Rodríguez, I´m a TCM student, from a school

> in Chile,

> > South America

> > The director of my school (Escuela Latinoamericana de M.T.Ch.)

> > www.medicinachina.cl

> > Luis Pedreros is profesor from the U. of Guangzhou, China. To treat

> > depression hi uses the points called " Soul Points " of the urinary

> bladder.

> > That is a very old and special technic, but extraordinarily

> efective.

> > Try those points.

> >

> > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no

> big deal,

> > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that

> great, and I

> > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel

> similarly

> > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great.

> > >

> > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at

> something like

> > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan.

> > >

> > > Avery

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with

> acupuncture)who

> > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister

> (Japanese

> > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and

> Gingko

> > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off

> SSRIs in

> > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according

> to

> > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still

> taking

> > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major

> 4 or

> > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb

> > > > formulas/medication.

> > > > Tony (UK)

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> > > Chiropractic Physician

> > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> > > www.docaltmed.com

> > >

> > >

> > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese

> Medicine Times

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > >

> > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

> > >

> > >

> > >

> and adjust

> > > accordingly.

> > >

> > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

> the group

> > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > >

> > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> absolutely

> > > necessary.

> > >

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I have used St. John's wort to great effect. Use it with formulas such

as Xiao Yao Wan and Mimosa (michael tierra sells a tincture of this

formula), i find that using St. John's increases the bodies ability to

move the qi/calm the spirit as well as assist in chai hu's function of

accessing and motivating the liver.

I have not yet seen bu nao work well. Actually the times when i've

seen patients or fellow pracs take it they usually get diarrhea.

Tym

 

 

> >

> > On 10/17/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, St. John's Wort can interact with SSRIs. However, that's no

> big deal,

> > > because as an antidepressant, St. John's Wort is not all that

> great, and I

> > > haven't used it to treat depression for at least 8 years. I feel

> similarly

> > > about using Gingseng for clinical depression, not that great.

> > >

> > > Obviously treat the pattern, but you might want to look at

> something like

> > > xiao yao wan or bu nao wan.

> > >

> > > Avery

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:28:12 -0400, tony000_t <tony@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I've just started treating a 43 year old male (with

> acupuncture)who

> > > > his on medicatin for depression. According to Robert Rister

> (Japanese

> > > > Herbal medicine Avery Publishing 1999) St John's wart and

> Gingko

> > > > leaves can cause adverse reaction when someone is coming off

> SSRIs in

> > > > the time they are still in the system (6 weeks or so according

> to

> > > > him)so I'm presuming the case is true while they are still

> taking

> > > > them. I was considering prescribing him a tonic such as major

> 4 or

> > > > minor cinnamon and peony. Has anyone any advice regarding herb

> > > > formulas/medication.

> > > > Tony (UK)

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> > > Chiropractic Physician

> > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> > > www.docaltmed.com

> > >

> > >

> > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese

> Medicine Times

> > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

> > >

> > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

> > >

> > >

> > >

> and adjust

> > > accordingly.

> > >

> > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

> the group

> > > requires prior permission from the author.

> > >

> > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> absolutely

> > > necessary.

> > >

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At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue

wrote:

>I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and

>etc...

 

Likely so.

 

There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points --

Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are

also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to

prepare for death.

 

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

I have used the upper kidney points and outer bladder points for emotional

issues. This was part of the Worsley school training I got. Ki 24 is very

helpful for depression, hopelessness.

Ki 23 Spirt Seal , person sealed off - cannot see their own identity, ; Ki 22

Walking on the Veranda - convalescent point stepping out and taking new chances

in life - on the veranda (safe covering, first step out.). These are some notes

I have. Lonnie Jarret explains them in much more detail in his articles, which

can be found on his website - www.spiritpathpress.com

 

Anne

 

 

 

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> At 08:06 AM 10/22/2006, " Dr. Philip Tan-Gatue " <philiptangatue

> wrote:

> >I think he means the points on the " outer " bladder channel, such as pohu and

> >etc...

>

> Likely so.

>

> There's also some tradition that the thorax kidney channel points --

> Ki-22-26 -- as " front shu points " , corresponding to the 5 zang, are

> also more spirit-oriented. And I've heard they're sometimes used to

> prepare for death.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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