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March 25, 2006

Hello Zahra,

I have had a problem in the past with kidney

infections. I always used infusion of marshmallow

root, uvaursi, loads of water, and cranberry juice.

These things always cured the infections but they

would always come back.

I decided to get to the root of the problem. I went

to my kinesiologist and after muscle testing she told

me that I was sensitive to the toothpaste I was using.

It was the ingredient sodium flouride. I stopped using

that and they went away for a while. Then I started

drinking an all organic green drink with ingredients

such as green barley, beet root powder, rose hips,

etc. and I have not had a problem since. I also have

gone through a bowel and kidney cleanse which helped a

lot!! Hope this helps!

Jocelyn

--- Lavender Sage <lavenderandsagesoap

wrote:

> HI

> I am new here. I have been interested in Natural

> alternatives for some time.

> I am 41, and a single mom, self employed in Southern

> California.

> I have a questin for the group. I have been having

> a kidney infection. The pain was so bad I couldn't

> get off the couch the first two-three days. I used

> alot of cranberry juice, and a powdered herbal

> remedy I picked up at the helathfood store, Arnica

> for the pain..... It is much better. But now three

> weeks later, I find the ache in my kidney wont go

> away completely...it dose for a day or two, then it

> starts coming back. I am just wondering how long

> this will last? I really don't want to go take

> antibiotics if I can help it, but it is my kidney,

> so I am getting nervous.

> Thanks All,

> This is a wonderful list, I am enjoying it

>

> Zahra

>

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March 25, 2006

Hi Jocelyn!I will try the uva ursi and the marshmallow root infusions. Thank YOu. I have had trouble in the past with coffee. I stopped drinking it about 2 years ago because I was getting a pain in my liver. Right before I got the kidney infection, I took two doses of Estrin D (for weightloss) and the same day, that afternoon I had severe pains in my kidney, just my left kidney.I know the estrin D has alot of caffeine in it, and I am wondering if it is related. I can drink black and green tea without any problems, so I don't know for sure.I would love to go see a kinesiologist. I will put that on my list for when I get my tax return! Oh yes, what was the organic green drink you took?Thanks agian for the help. J johns <jocelynjohns wrote: Hello Zahra, I have had a problem

in the past with kidney infections. I always used infusion of marshmallow root, uvaursi, loads of water, and cranberry juice. These things always cured the infections but they would always come back. I decided to get to the root of the problem. I went to my kinesiologist and after muscle testing she told me that I was sensitive to the toothpaste I was using. It was the ingredient sodium flouride. I stopped using that and they went away for a while. Then I started drinking an all organic green drink with ingredients such as green barley, beet root powder, rose hips, etc. and I have not had a problem since. I also have gone through a bowel and kidney cleanse which helped a lot!! Hope this helps!

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March 25, 2006

It can be very interesting to have a kinesiologist

muscle test you. I think anyone can learn how to

muscle test it just takes practice. I have used a

couple different brands of green drinks but the one I

liked the most is called New Chapter Berry Greens.

There are a hundred different brands of green drinks,

I think the doctor sells one on his website. So just

choose one that works for you and your income, some

are super expensive,

Other than that I guess I have learned to drink extra

water on a daily basis to keep my kidneys flushed.

Also try to listen to you body. It will usually tell

you in one way or another if it does not like a

substance. Good luck! Let me know if you need

instructions on how to prepare and dose the

marshmallow and uva ursi!

--- Lavender Sage <lavenderandsagesoap

wrote:

> Hi Jocelyn!

>

> I will try the uva ursi and the marshmallow root

> infusions. Thank YOu.

> I have had trouble in the past with coffee. I

> stopped drinking it about 2 years ago because I was

> getting a pain in my liver. Right before I got the

> kidney infection, I took two doses of Estrin D (for

> weightloss) and the same day, that afternoon I had

> severe pains in my kidney, just my left kidney.

> I know the estrin D has alot of caffeine in it, and

> I am wondering if it is related. I can drink black

> and green tea without any problems, so I don't know

> for sure.

> I would love to go see a kinesiologist. I will put

> that on my list for when I get my tax return! Oh

> yes, what was the organic green drink you took?

> Thanks agian for the help.

>

> J johns <jocelynjohns wrote: Hello

> Zahra,

>

> I have had a problem in the past with kidney

> infections. I always used infusion of marshmallow

> root, uvaursi, loads of water, and cranberry juice.

> These things always cured the infections but they

> would always come back.

>

> I decided to get to the root of the problem. I

> went

> to my kinesiologist and after muscle testing she

> told

> me that I was sensitive to the toothpaste I was

> using.

> It was the ingredient sodium flouride. I stopped

> using

> that and they went away for a while. Then I

> started

> drinking an all organic green drink with

> ingredients

> such as green barley, beet root powder, rose hips,

> etc. and I have not had a problem since. I also

> have

> gone through a bowel and kidney cleanse which

> helped a

> lot!! Hope this helps!

>

> Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

> to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

March 27, 2006

Thanks agian for all the help!I think I can handle that!:-)ZahraJ johns <jocelynjohns wrote: Good luck! Let me know if you need instructions on how to prepare and dose the marshmallow and uva ursi!

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June 17, 2006

Hi

Nope it is not the norm. However Debie is attacking a person who is well known

in aromatherapy circles and is a competant and knowledgable person. Martin is

the man who researches the research and is not afraid to critique the Cr & p sites

and books that are out there plagerising each other so that it is " Fact " just by

the numbers that regurgitate unresearched drivel.

I agree wholeheartedly with Martins comments about the site in question.

Graham Sorenson

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Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:47 PM

New Here

Hi...

I just joined and so far all I've seen are a nasty exchange between two

members who appear to be attacking each other's aromamassage websites. Is

that kind of bickering the norm around here? I was hoping for friendly

conversation about herbs, and was also hoping to learn a thing or two as

well. :-)

Sue

June 17, 2006

Not at all, Sue. Actually, everyone here seems to be very generous,

and there are some strong opinions. Please hang around to benefit

from the knowledge and friendliness.

Molly

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On Jun 17, 2006, at 12:47 PM, RosesnViolets wrote:

> Hi...

> I just joined and so far all I've seen are a nasty exchange between

> two

> members who appear to be attacking each other's aromamassage

> websites. Is

> that kind of bickering the norm around here? I was hoping for friendly

> conversation about herbs, and was also hoping to learn a thing or

> two as

> well. :-)

>

> Sue

>

June 18, 2006

I just joined and so far all I've seen are a nasty exchange between two

members who appear to be attacking each other's aromamassage websites. Is

that kind of bickering the norm around here?

[Dave:] It’s not the norm at all, in fact it’s downright unusual. However,

I figure some good information will percolate out of this. This is actually

one of the most congenial lists I’ve been on, and it’s a great source of

good info. Stick around, please!

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June 18, 2006

Dear Sue,

I am someone who does not post much on this list, but I would like to

comment on this exchange.

Herbalists have long been known to have individual opinions about their

speciality. It is well known that there ARE many disagreements in the field.

From this hightly heated verbal exchange and from others that I have seen on

other lists, there is, really , only ONE outcome.

That outcome is a sharing of knowledge.

From which we can all benefit.

In the long run, your own personal herbal journey can only benefit from

this.

It is up to YOU, yourself, to discover truth from fiction and what works and

what doesn't work or even harms.

We as Herbalists, must never put the responsibility of finding out what

actually works, on another's shoulders. Each of us MUST look for themselves

and make our own decisions.

We cannot, of course, do all the research necessary, so we DO have to

determine WHO to follow.

An exchange such as this can give us valuable data...

And this chat list does have some excellent contributors.

So, dear Sue, do not become exasperated due to such a verbal exchange.

Realize that this is actually a very real learning experience for us all

..........................Herbally yours Penny

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Sue,

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minds in here with amazing knowledge of herbs and such.

This of this as an incredibly passionate family, and if your family is

ANYTHING like mine can be, we love each other dearly but there WILL be

some disagreements along the way!

-- cjk

June 18, 2006

So out of the pages of information that's been posted on this site,

you only see one little altercation going on, but mentioned nothing

about the info on infusing St. John's Wort, a healthy exchange on

taking essential oils internally and another's attempt to resolve a

dispute with a company that others on this board may have had

dealings with.

A group is what you make it and depends on what you bring to the

table. I belong to about 10 internet newsgroups and over the years

belonged to more than that and I have yet to find a group that

haven't had their bickers over the years. The beauty is its like

television, you're free to change the channel as well as skip over

undesireable posts.

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, " RosesnViolets "

<rosesnviolets wrote:

>

> Hi...

> I just joined and so far all I've seen are a nasty exchange

between two

> members who appear to be attacking each other's aromamassage

websites. Is

> that kind of bickering the norm around here? I was hoping for

friendly

> conversation about herbs, and was also hoping to learn a thing or

two as

> well. :-)

>

> Sue

>

June 18, 2006

Graham, let's go back and look and who is " attacking " whom. I am a new

student of AT with great respect for all who have come before me and

have amazing knowledge and experience. Certainly not everyone's

experience will be the same nor their education in this field.

However, the initial comments were unneccarily strong and would put

anyone on the defensive. I believe both Martin and Debby have a great

deal to share with us and it is up to us to disseminate the

information for ourselves.

Let's keep it polite and friendly around here.

Susan

TriOrganics LLC

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> Nope it is not the norm. However Debie is attacking a person who is

well known in aromatherapy circles and is a competant and knowledgable

person. Martin is the man who researches the research and is not

afraid to critique the Cr & p sites and books that are out there

plagerising each other so that it is " Fact " just by the numbers that

regurgitate unresearched drivel.

>

> I agree wholeheartedly with Martins comments about the site in question.

>

> Graham Sorenson

>

July 1, 2008

You're good with me! I'm looking at homeschooling myself, if I can't figure out how to avoid the 'mandatory' vaccine thing. I don't think my son's life and health is worth gambling on whatever they're loading these vaccines with.Please know you're diabetes condition absolutely is fully reversible with a change of life/eating habits. This group has lots of good info to share, and there are many wonderful websites devoted to helping people cure themselves naturally, cheaply and painlessly, so stay after it! One hazard is the amazing diversity of alleged 'cures': which ones to try that might work for you, which ones to avoid because they are risky. Getting as much info gathered up from as many resources as you can certainly helps your confidence in a course of treatment. So joining this group is a good step. Don't take any responses for 'gospel', but do take it as 'evidence' in your quest for your own right treatment. And health-nuts can be like reformed smokers--they can get pretty adamant about their solutions, so don't be put off by tart comments or slurs on your intelligence or whatever--just human stuff... From: tims_mom04Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 02:41:36 +0000 new here

And hoping I found the right group. I'm here looking for information on

diabetes, trying to learn how to take control. I am 37, married mom of

two boys (one with autism, one with asthma). I had gestational diabetes

with the last one, three years ago. I've been classified as borderline

diabetic, but that was over a year ago, and I believe I've 'crossed

over' from borderline to full blown, although I am able to keep

control. I joined a different group,and they were just too medical for

me, didn't like my answers and philosophies. I'm anti-doctor, unless

necessary, anti-vaccine, I eat as healthy as possible on an extremely

low income. I'm more for doing my own research and finding my own ways

to help my problems, rather than relying on a dr. who may or may not

help me. I homeschool my kids, too, and fully support home births with

or without a midwife. These are all issues I got slammed for on the

other one... Is this the right group for me?? Ha!

Is there a lot of information here about diabetes?

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July 1, 2008

Anti-doctor's got my vote!

Hugh

tims_mom04 <tims_mom04 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:41:36 PM new here

And hoping I found the right group. I'm here looking for information on diabetes, trying to learn how to take control. I am 37, married mom of two boys (one with autism, one with asthma). I had gestational diabetes with the last one, three years ago. I've been classified as borderline diabetic, but that was over a year ago, and I believe I've 'crossed over' from borderline to full blown, although I am able to keep control. I joined a different group,and they were just too medical for me, didn't like my answers and philosophies. I'm anti-doctor, unless necessary, anti-vaccine, I eat as healthy as possible on an extremely low income. I'm more for doing my own research and finding my own ways to help my problems, rather than relying on a dr. who may or may not help me. I homeschool my kids, too, and fully support home births with or without a midwife. These are all issues I got slammed for on the other

one... Is this the right group for me?? Ha! Is there a lot of information here about diabetes?

July 1, 2008

Anti-doctor's got my vote!

Hugh

I am with you Hugh!!!!!! Most Physicians are just glorified computer nerds these days.

Diabetes can be cured with lifestyle changes..... Happy to yak with you about this anytime.

Clare in Tasmania

July 1, 2008

Hi,

I also have diabetes and have managed to control it with diet. The doctor

wanted me on meds but all they did was aggrevate my bowels and make me gain

weight.

My blood sugar runs from 100-180 by controlling my diet. I am healthier,

have lost some weight, brought my blood pressure down, and am over all much

healthier. I still have 80-100 more pounds to go and am hopeful that when I

reach my optimum weight in about 5 years that the diabetes will be under

complete control.

I did a lot of research on diets prior to finding what I wanted to start out

with. My blood sugar was running 200-375 when I started treating myself.

When using meds it only went to 170-250.

I started out by adding cinnamon, ground flax seed, flax seed oil, and

stevia to my diet. I took out wheat, barley, rye, white

potatoes,---basically went on the Fat Flush Plan diet.

Jackie

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" tims_mom04 " <tims_mom04

Monday, June 30, 2008 10:41 PM