Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 >>>but any good cm practitioner will assign a heat presentation as an inflammatory condition'<<<. The notion of 'good CM doctor' is subject to discussions but I will question any association of heat pattern with inflammation by TCM students. A decent CM doctor can identify the pathomechanism of the disease, not only the terminology of WM. Inflammation may involve redness, swelling, heat, and pain; and we can assign heat presentation to an inflammatory condition; but we cannot identitfy a pattern based upon a single local presentation of heat sign. SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 SUNG prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used by dr with poor diagnostic skills. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Thank you Alon and Mary for your kind responses, I will look it up. Best regards Giovanna Chinese Medicine , acumary wrote: > > > Hi Giovanna, > > It is not that the anti-inflamatory property of the drugs is negative - it is related to how the protocol works.? As I understand it Prolotherapy sets up a sterile inflammatory response and you don't want to stop or inhibit that response.? > > > There are many websites that discuss how this works? - I think that you would find them helpful. > Mary Chamberlain, LAc. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in northern california? Regards, Tymothy > > SUNG > prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no > side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and > induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a > temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous > laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture > would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used > by dr with poor diagnostic skills. > > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Have a look at at the NATI list www.injectiontx.org > group of practioner>DO, ND, MD, DOM, Dr.TCM using Prolotherapy(RIT) and PRP Dr. Ross Ralph - miracles28 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:19 PM Re: anti-inflammatory Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in northern california? Regards, Tymothy > > SUNG > prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no > side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and > induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a > temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous > laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture > would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used > by dr with poor diagnostic skills. > > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Mr Marcus, Thank you for your sharing your knowledge. I am sure sometimes surgery is the only option especially when bone issues are involved. However, I always have this question in my mind when someone told me (not referring to you) acupuncture couldn't fix this or that problem. I will ask if the said acupuncturist good enough. As we know the diagnoistic and empirical skills of individual acupuncturist varies drastically. My experiences tell me that acupuncture can handle soft tissues (including ligaments and tendons) well and will facilitate the recovery of soft tissues issue promptly (even better with the herbal medicine). Since there is no a genuine case here to discuss, it is just a generalized conclusion. Of course acupuncture treatment cannot substitute surgery. SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi Tymothy Also check : prolotherapy.com They have a list of practitioners and various articles Mary Chamberlain,LAc. Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing Chinese Medicine Wed, Jul 1, 2009 4:07 pm Re: Re: anti-inflammatory Have a look at at the NATI list www.injectiontx.org > group of practioner>DO, ND, MD, DOM, Dr.TCM using Prolotherapy(RIT) and PRP Dr. Ross Ralph - miracles28 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:19 PM Re: anti-inflammatory Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in northern california? Regards, Tymothy > > SUNG > prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no > side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and > induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a > temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous > laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture > would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used > by dr with poor diagnostic skills. > > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Tymothy Gracer and Eke are the most experienced 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 SUNG yes skill always plays a roll, however i still maintain that when true SI or spinal instability is present acupuncture and herbs can only offer palliative care. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Mr Marcus, I am sure your opinion is valuable as you are an expert in oste. Would you mind deliberating the mechanism why acupuncture can only play the role of palliative care and in your opinion under what conditions can patients benefit most from acupuncture treatment? Thanks in advance. SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Mr Marcus My reply to your post seems lost somewhere so I repost again. I treasure your opinion on spinal instability issue as you are the expert in western osteo.. My I ask what roles do you think acupuncture plays when treating ligaments/tendons issues, from the point of Chinese medicine? For example, in Yao Ming (The basketball player of Rocket cause). He suffers from ankle injuries again as reported. Can acupuncture help his condition in anyway or acu can only play palliative care role? SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 SUNG I assume you are talking about inversion sprains. Chinese medicine can help quite a bit in first degree sprains with normal foot biomechanics. It does not resolve 2ed degree sprains or problems which are due to mechanical issues needing orthotic intervention. When it does it takes a long time and one cannot be sure that the patient would have not gotten better anyway. In the acute stage CM has much to offer as herbs are very helpful in reducing swelling and shorting the time it takes rid the hematoma. In patients that develop significant tibialis tendinitis CM is helpful but very slow and again depending on stability and mechanics may only provide palliative care. In patients that develop sinus tarsi syndrome results for the most part are palliative only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Spinal and SI instability are caused by either anatomical changes resulting from ligamentous and disc fraying and hysteresis or by anatomical problems such as a convex convex (as apposed to convex concave) relationship within the joint. Ligaments do not have a good blood supply and therefor do not heal as well as other tissues. These are the patients that feel good after chiropractic manipulation to only have their pain come right back. These are also the patients that may feel well after acupuncture but need repeated treatments without resolution. In mild cases the patient can strengthen their musculature and optimize their OM functions resulting in good control of symptoms. However experience shows that in more severe cases one needs to induce a strong local inflammatory response to rebuild the ligaments. Patients that have a convex convex type joints often remain unstable for life and need palliative care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Mr Marcus, Thank you very much for your precise analysis. I really appreciate that. SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I am having a lot of pain in my legs related to exercising. Can someone recommend an anti-inflammatory? I already use Kava and Mulungu for other ailments, and would like to find something similiar to use for the pain in my knees, ankles and feet. Thanks, Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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