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[Guest guest]

Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:04:13 PM

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I just signed. I hope you do. Sorry if this is a dupe and you already got this.

 

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:56 PM

Keep Up the Pressure for a Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000

Signatures!

 

Keep up the pressure for a media debate on healthcare reform that includes

single-payer! We've surpassed our goal of 10,000 signatures on our petition for

an open debate on healthcare reform. Help us reach 15,000 signatures-- please

forward this email widely, and use the " Share " button on the petition page to

share it through social networking sites such as Facebook.

 

Demand that media open the debate on healthcare reform

 

Many Americans and healthcare workers see single-payer national health insurance

as the most sensible tool for fixing America's broken healthcare system, yet

single-payer is being kept off the table by the corporate media.

 

Please sign onto this open letter to the TV networks-- http://salsa.

democracyinactio n.org/o/592/ t/9039/petition. jsp?petition_ KEY=1993 --and join

us on Tues. July 28 in NYC to deliver the message (see details below):

 

Many experts see single-payer national health insurance as the most sensible

solution to expand coverage to the uninsured and to reduce costs.

 

This proposal polls well with the public, who preferred it two-to-one over a

privatized system in a recent survey (New York Times/CBS, 1/11-15/09). It is

also preferred by 59 percent of physicians, according to a recent study

published in the Annals of Internal Medicine (4/1/08).

 

Yet a study by FAIR found that of hundreds of stories about health care in major

outlets earlier this year, only five stories included the views of advocates of

single-payer- -none of which appeared on the television networks.

 

The insurance lobbies and many politicians may not want to talk about

single-payer. But that makes it all the more important that the media do.

 

Please cover single-payer healthcare proposals, and stop silencing their

advocates.

 

Signed,

 

Michael Moore, filmmaker

David Scheiner, longtime physician of President Barack Obama

Donna Smith, Sicko! star, and representative of the California Nurses

Association

Phil Donahue, former MSNBC host

Quentin Young, co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program

Stephanie Woolhandler, Harvard medical professor

David Himmelstein, Harvard medical professor

Susan Sarandon, actor

Tim Robbins, actor

Janine Jackson, Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

Katie Robbins, Healthcare Now!

Jim Hightower, radio commentator and writer

Jeff Cohen, director of journalism, Ithaca College

Mike Farrell, actor

Norman Solomon, media critic and author

David Swanson, activist and author

Jonathan Schwarz, blogger

 

Please join FAIR, Physicians for a National Health Program, Healthcare Now!, the

Private Health Insurance Must Go Coalition, Code Pink and the Raging Grannies to

deliver this message at ABC News' NYC studio on July 28.

 

" Tell Media: Include Single-Payer in Healthcare Debate " petition delivery

Tues. July 28,

noon - 1 pm

ABC News

77 West 66th St.,

(between Central Pk West and Columbus Ave.)

NYC

 

ABC's recent primetime forum on healthcare reform, " Prescription for America, "

did not include a single question from a single-payer advocate, after Obama's

own longtime doctor was censored by ABC. Join us in presenting ABC with a

prescription for a real debate on healthcare reform--one that includes

single-payer!

 

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[Guest guest]

Poor cannot afford healthcare in the US. Stories about people coming

here from Canada to get healthcare fail to mention that those folks

are able to pay big money for treatment. The rich can afford good

insurance. If I had an insurance policy like the Congress critters

have, I would be happy.

 

I almost never go to doctors. But if I get shot, run over by a car,

or need bloodwork to look at my blood insulin levels, it would be nice

if I could afford it.

 

Healthcare is not unconstitutional. See section 8: " provide for . . .

general welfare " .

 

Big corporations rake in huge profits from health insurance. The

medical industry is grossly overpaid because the limit the number of

medical students. No reason I should have to pay for a doctor's new

Mercedes or a vacation home!

 

Alobar

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ralph Childers,

Jr.<alphome04 wrote:

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Many of people who are poor are that way because they choose to be that way..

They choose to take government handouts instead of working. There are some that

are poor due to circumstances beyond their control, which I also realize.

 

As far as for congress, they voted down an amendment to the healthcare bill that

would make it mandatory for them to use the healthcare that is for the rest of

the population. What they are trying to shove down our throats is not good

enough for

them.

 

I never have to go to doctors either because I do what I can to keep myself

healthy and fit. If I ever do have to go I don't want to have to wait 10 hours

or more to get treatment, such as you have to in other countries with socialized

medicine. If it is deemed you are a useful member of society and are eligible

for healthcare.. Yes, this administration is planning to ration healthcare

according to your age and usefulness to society. And did I mention that they

will encourage euthanasia for older americans?

 

Healthcare is not a right it is a privelage. The federal government's job is to

provide an army, deal with foreign nations and keep peace. It is not to provide

healthcare or be in business such as the present administation is. They are not

capable of more as evidenced by the medicare fiasco. 

 

And yes there does need to be health reform but not government controlled health

reform.

 

Alphome

 

 

 

________________________________

Alobar <Alobar

 

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:13:29 AM

Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000 Signatures!

 

 

Poor cannot afford healthcare in the US. Stories about people coming

here from Canada to get healthcare fail to mention that those folks

are able to pay big money for treatment. The rich can afford good

insurance. If I had an insurance policy like the Congress critters

have, I would be happy.

 

I almost never go to doctors. But if I get shot, run over by a car,

or need bloodwork to look at my blood insulin levels, it would be nice

if I could afford it.

 

Healthcare is not unconstitutional. See section 8: " provide for . . .

general welfare " .

 

Big corporations rake in huge profits from health insurance. The

medical industry is grossly overpaid because the limit the number of

medical students. No reason I should have to pay for a doctor's new

Mercedes or a vacation home!

 

Alobar

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ralph Childers,

Jr.<alphome04 > wrote:

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

>

>

 

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I live right in Buffalo NY ( hour and a half ride away from Toronto)  and as

far back as I can remember people from this area have been going to Canada for

specialised care and I know a guy who has a bone disease and he was forever

being treated at Toronto's 'Sick Kid's Hospital'. I've been up there at that

hospital visiting people that I knew then when I was a teenager too. This media

propaganda that Canada has terrible health care is just that..... propaganda,

and nothing more. At least half of the people in Buffalo have Canadian relatives

some place down the line, and in my experience, as with others... my Canadian

family is very happy with their health care. One cousin I have was in a bad

accident and was being treated for a time in Buffalo but then his mother decided

that they were not doing anything for him here so they switched him to the OHIP

program and into an Ontario hospital. He was a person with duel citizenship, but

he choose

to use his Canadian right of health care to get better treatment. Now I admit,

the hospitals and healthcare in Buffalo is probably close to the worst in the

country. Or maybe  it's terrible all over the US, but I do think it varies from

place to place.

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" Ralph Childers, Jr. " <alphome04

 

Friday, 24 July, 2009 12:43:25

Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000 Signatures!

 

 

Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" donna.neversurrende r " <donna.neversurrende r

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:04:13 PM

<< Alternative- Medicine- Forum >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

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I just signed. I hope you do. Sorry if this is a dupe and you already got this.

 

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:56 PM

Keep Up the Pressure for a Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000

Signatures!

 

Keep up the pressure for a media debate on healthcare reform that includes

single-payer! We've surpassed our goal of 10,000 signatures on our petition for

an open debate on healthcare reform. Help us reach 15,000 signatures-- please

forward this email widely, and use the " Share " button on the petition page to

share it through social networking sites such as Facebook.

 

Demand that media open the debate on healthcare reform

 

Many Americans and healthcare workers see single-payer national health insurance

as the most sensible tool for fixing America's broken healthcare system, yet

single-payer is being kept off the table by the corporate media.

 

Please sign onto this open letter to the TV networks-- http://salsa.

democracyinactio n.org/o/592/ t/9039/petition. jsp?petition_ KEY=1993 --and join

us on Tues. July 28 in NYC to deliver the message (see details below):

 

Many experts see single-payer national health insurance as the most sensible

solution to expand coverage to the uninsured and to reduce costs.

 

This proposal polls well with the public, who preferred it two-to-one over a

privatized system in a recent survey (New York Times/CBS, 1/11-15/09). It is

also preferred by 59 percent of physicians, according to a recent study

published in the Annals of Internal Medicine (4/1/08).

 

Yet a study by FAIR found that of hundreds of stories about health care in major

outlets earlier this year, only five stories included the views of advocates of

single-payer- -none of which appeared on the television networks.

 

The insurance lobbies and many politicians may not want to talk about

single-payer. But that makes it all the more important that the media do.

 

Please cover single-payer healthcare proposals, and stop silencing their

advocates.

 

Signed,

 

Michael Moore, filmmaker

David Scheiner, longtime physician of President Barack Obama

Donna Smith, Sicko! star, and representative of the California Nurses

Association

Phil Donahue, former MSNBC host

Quentin Young, co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program

Stephanie Woolhandler, Harvard medical professor

David Himmelstein, Harvard medical professor

Susan Sarandon, actor

Tim Robbins, actor

Janine Jackson, Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

Katie Robbins, Healthcare Now!

Jim Hightower, radio commentator and writer

Jeff Cohen, director of journalism, Ithaca College

Mike Farrell, actor

Norman Solomon, media critic and author

David Swanson, activist and author

Jonathan Schwarz, blogger

 

Please join FAIR, Physicians for a National Health Program, Healthcare Now!, the

Private Health Insurance Must Go Coalition, Code Pink and the Raging Grannies to

deliver this message at ABC News' NYC studio on July 28.

 

" Tell Media: Include Single-Payer in Healthcare Debate " petition delivery

Tues. July 28,

noon - 1 pm

ABC News

77 West 66th St.,

(between Central Pk West and Columbus Ave.)

NYC

 

ABC's recent primetime forum on healthcare reform, " Prescription for America, "

did not include a single question from a single-payer advocate, after Obama's

own longtime doctor was censored by ABC. Join us in presenting ABC with a

prescription for a real debate on healthcare reform--one that includes

single-payer!

 

***

 

 

[Guest guest]

Canadians fear getting sick or injured in the U.S. because of the expensive

healthcare. Canadians purchase travel insurance when they go to the U.S. and,

furthermore, some have not been able to afford travel insurance so head for home

if they get sick there. Socialized medicine works!

 

 

 

 

 

In , " Ralph Childers, Jr. "

<alphome04 wrote:

>

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

[Guest guest]

I guess we listen to different Canadians.

 

What about Massachusetts? Their system may work once the 12 billion deficient is

paid that was caused by socialized medicine.

 

I am sure socialized medicine does work if you are a healthy, productive

citizen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

earthmother1111 <pink627

 

Monday, August 3, 2009 12:11:31 PM

Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

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Canadians fear getting sick or injured in the U.S. because of the expensive

healthcare. Canadians purchase travel insurance when they go to the U.S. and,

furthermore, some have not been able to afford travel insurance so head for home

if they get sick there. Socialized medicine works!

 

In Alternative- Medicine- Forum@ s.com, " Ralph Childers, Jr. "

<alphome04@. ..> wrote:

>

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

 

 

 

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I have family in Canada and they love their healthcare! They have NEVER

experienced rationing. I also have family and friends all over the globe.

They All Love their single payor healthcare benefits. 2 of my pals are

visiting from Norway and Dana, just had a baby and she gets free medical

care and a 12 month maternity leave! All hospital and medical visits are

paid for and they just have small co-pays for medicines. They have a card

and all they do is just swipe it whenever they go for a visit or surgery,

etc. Yes, they pay higher taxes but their social safety net is wonderful and

all citizens are taken care of- even immigrants. They have birth to grave

coverage and their citizens are encouraged to be healthy. The medical

providers are rewarded if they get their patients to live a healthy

lifestyle by not smoking or losing weight, etc. This same reward system is

also in place in great Britain and Ireland and western Europe.

 

----

 

Ralph Childers, Jr.

8/4/2009 8:57:12 PM

 

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I guess we listen to different Canadians.

 

What about Massachusetts? Their system may work once the 12 billion

deficient is paid that was caused by socialized medicine.

 

I am sure socialized medicine does work if you are a healthy, productive

citizen.

 

 

 

________________________________

earthmother1111 <pink627

 

Monday, August 3, 2009 12:11:31 PM

Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for

a Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000 Signatures!

 

 

Canadians fear getting sick or injured in the U.S. because of the expensive

healthcare. Canadians purchase travel insurance when they go to the U.S. and

furthermore, some have not been able to afford travel insurance so head for

home if they get sick there. Socialized medicine works!

 

In Alternative- Medicine- Forum@ s.com, " Ralph Childers, Jr. "

<alphome04@. ..> wrote:

>

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and

Britain have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the

government has a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too

much corruption starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of

healthcare and business. It is not what we elect them for not to mention

that it is probably unconstitutional.

 

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[Guest guest]

In my case it's not that I'm listening to any one particular Canadian or family.

I live right on the international border, ( in fact, I can walk over there it's

so close), and I get about half my radio stations from Ontario or CBC from

Ottawa, and then I have the Canadian TV of course. We are immersed in Canadian

culture and we even have a 'Tim Hortons' on every corner here and receive

'Hockey Night In Canada' on our regular TV. It's not like I'm listening to this

one or that one. I'm just inside of what is going on basically. It's like one

foot is in the US, and the other foot is in Canada. The Canadians are outraged

that people in the US are complaining out their system. They think yous are

ignorant of what is really going on. I have a lot of talk radio to listen too

here if I want so you know, you are driving and you switch the radio and there

you have Canadian talk radio.

Let's get real here, we should not be being ripped off for the cost of insurance

from insurance companies. We should be able to go about or life and business

without having to worry about changing jobs and loosing health care because we

have a pre-existing condition. We should not have to stay at a minimum wage job

because it provides health care. And yes, there are factories here in the

buffalo area that literally pay minimum wage, but they do give health care and

that's you damn pay like it or not.

The truth is, the greed from big pharma and the insurance companies are going to

get way, way worse if people buy into the 'manufactured right's' fake outrage

over what they call 'socialised medicine'. We are sunk as a nation if we do not

get real and get on board with what the rest of the world is doing. Obviously we

can not compete as a nation to keep big companies here in the US if they have to

foot the bills for our health insurance. It's cheaper for a company to set up in

Canada and save on the cost of health care. Every other European nation is also

far game for our jobs if we refuse to adapt.

 

Here are some links to my several local radio stations that are Canadian that I

listen to.

1010 http://www.cfrb.com/media

610 http://www.610cktb.com/

CBC http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/audio/

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" Ralph Childers, Jr. " <alphome04

 

Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 9:37:25

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I guess we listen to different Canadians.

 

What about Massachusetts? Their system may work once the 12 billion deficient is

paid that was caused by socialized medicine.

 

I am sure socialized medicine does work if you are a healthy, productive

citizen.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

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Canadians fear getting sick or injured in the U.S. because of the expensive

healthcare. Canadians purchase travel insurance when they go to the U.S. and,

furthermore, some have not been able to afford travel insurance so head for home

if they get sick there. Socialized medicine works!

 

In Alternative- Medicine- Forum@ s.com, " Ralph Childers, Jr. "

<alphome04@. ..> wrote:

>

> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

 

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You are sadly mistaken & /or deluded. Most of the poor are not poor

because they are lazy, but because well paying jobs are scarce and the

minimum wage is nowhere near the living wage. Most of the wealth in

this country is owned by the ruling class. The rest of us get crumbs.

 

Alobar

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ralph Childers, Jr.<alphome04 wrote:

> Many of people who are poor are that way because they choose to be that way..

They choose to take government handouts instead of working. There are some that

are poor due to circumstances beyond their control, which I also realize.

>

> As far as for congress, they voted down an amendment to the healthcare bill

that would make it mandatory for them to use the healthcare that is for the rest

of the population. What they are trying to shove down our throats is not good

enough for

> them.

>

> I never have to go to doctors either because I do what I can to keep myself

healthy and fit. If I ever do have to go I don't want to have to wait 10 hours

or more to get treatment, such as you have to in other countries with socialized

medicine. If it is deemed you are a useful member of society and are eligible

for healthcare.. Yes, this administration is planning to ration healthcare

according to your age and usefulness to society. And did I mention that they

will encourage euthanasia for older americans?

>

> Healthcare is not a right it is a privelage. The federal government's job is

to provide an army, deal with foreign nations and keep peace. It is not to

provide healthcare or be in business such as the present administation is. They

are not capable of more as evidenced by the medicare fiasco.

>

> And yes there does need to be health reform but not government controlled

health reform.

>

> Alphome

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Alobar <Alobar

>

> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:13:29 AM

> Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

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>

>

> Poor cannot afford healthcare in the US. Stories about people coming

> here from Canada to get healthcare fail to mention that those folks

> are able to pay big money for treatment. The rich can afford good

> insurance. If I had an insurance policy like the Congress critters

> have, I would be happy.

>

> I almost never go to doctors. But if I get shot, run over by a car,

> or need bloodwork to look at my blood insulin levels, it would be nice

> if I could afford it.

>

> Healthcare is not unconstitutional. See section 8: " provide for . . .

> general welfare " .

>

> Big corporations rake in huge profits from health insurance. The

> medical industry is grossly overpaid because the limit the number of

> medical students. No reason I should have to pay for a doctor's new

> Mercedes or a vacation home!

>

> Alobar

>

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ralph Childers,

> Jr.<alphome04 > wrote:

>> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

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>>

>>

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Thank you Alobar....amen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alobar

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You are sadly mistaken & /or deluded. Most of the poor are not poor

because they are lazy, but because well paying jobs are scarce and the

minimum wage is nowhere near the living wage. Most of the wealth in

this country is owned by the ruling class. The rest of us get crumbs.

 

Alobar

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ralph Childers, Jr.<alphome04 wrote:

> Many of people who are poor are that way because they choose to be that way..

They choose to take government handouts instead of working. There are some that

are poor due to circumstances beyond their control, which I also realize.

>

> As far as for congress, they voted down an amendment to the healthcare bill

that would make it mandatory for them to use the healthcare that is for the rest

of the population. What they are trying to shove down our throats is not good

enough for

> them.

>

> I never have to go to doctors either because I do what I can to keep myself

healthy and fit. If I ever do have to go I don't want to have to wait 10 hours

or more to get treatment, such as you have to in other countries with socialized

medicine. If it is deemed you are a useful member of society and are eligible

for healthcare.. Yes, this administration is planning to ration healthcare

according to your age and usefulness to society. And did I mention that they

will encourage euthanasia for older americans?

>

> Healthcare is not a right it is a privelage. The federal government's job is

to provide an army, deal with foreign nations and keep peace. It is not to

provide healthcare or be in business such as the present administation is. They

are not capable of more as evidenced by the medicare fiasco.

>

> And yes there does need to be health reform but not government controlled

health reform.

>

> Alphome

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Alobar <Alobar

>

> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:13:29 AM

> Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for a

Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000 Signatures!

>

>

> Poor cannot afford healthcare in the US. Stories about people coming

> here from Canada to get healthcare fail to mention that those folks

> are able to pay big money for treatment. The rich can afford good

> insurance. If I had an insurance policy like the Congress critters

> have, I would be happy.

>

> I almost never go to doctors. But if I get shot, run over by a car,

> or need bloodwork to look at my blood insulin levels, it would be nice

> if I could afford it.

>

> Healthcare is not unconstitutional. See section 8: " provide for . . .

> general welfare " .

>

> Big corporations rake in huge profits from health insurance. The

> medical industry is grossly overpaid because the limit the number of

> medical students. No reason I should have to pay for a doctor's new

> Mercedes or a vacation home!

>

> Alobar

>

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ralph Childers,

> Jr.<alphome04 > wrote:

>> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and Britain

have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the government has

a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much corruption

starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and business. It

is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

I can verify what you are saying here. I used to buy into that nonsense too.

Now I know better.

 

Did you know that the health insurance carrier shareholders don't consider the

company successful unless they can take 20% of the corporate revenues off the

top? That's twenty cents on every dollar before a nickel is spent on health

care or corporate admininstration. In other words, they want 20% of our premium

dollars without offering anything in return. If the health insurance

corporation doesn't deliver, the shareholders threaten to withdraw their

investment.

 

This has been testified before congress, by a former health insurance industry

executive.

 

People complain about big government and taxes, but what about big business and

what amounts to profiteering on the backs of the American people? At least we

have some role in the decision process when it comes to taxes. If the

government did what the big corporations do, there would be a revolt.

 

The rich aren't rich because they work harder than the poor. The rich

take their wealth off the backs of the poor.

 

, Alobar <Alobar wrote:

>

> You are sadly mistaken & /or deluded. Most of the poor are not poor

> because they are lazy, but because well paying jobs are scarce and the

> minimum wage is nowhere near the living wage. Most of the wealth in

> this country is owned by the ruling class. The rest of us get crumbs.

>

> Alobar

[Guest guest]

It's amusing to imagine a poor person, at a point in his life, asking himself if

he wants to, prefers to be, " chooses " to be, rich or poor. According to Ralph

Childers, such people suddenly say to themselves, I want to, I prefer, I choose,

to be poor. Why would a person make such a preposterous choice? There are

numerous lazy, rich, people. There are numerous hard working poor people.

Choice isn't involved in either case; circumstances are.

 

Wealth requires that certain actions be taken. Whether they're taken depends

not on " choices, " but on circumstances. If you're broke, uneducated, born into

a downtrodden race or nationality, or into an already severely poor family,

etc., the near certain outcome will be that you'll be poor yourself. What many

poor people do, in fact, is " imagine " that they'll be rich one day; they dream

of being rich, they say to themselves " I'll have big money one day. " In effect,

they " choose " to be rich. But you can " choose " to be rich until the moon turns

to green cheese, and nothing will happen unless you have the essential

circumstances on your side.

 

This is much like losing weight, or improving your health. Again, actions must

be taken; not choices made. People make choices constantly, and nothing

happens. Because the " conditions, " the " facts, " the circumstnaces necessary to

bring these changes about, are absent. If they're absent, you can " choose, "

until you lose your mind, and nothing will happen.

jp

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You are sadly mistaken & /or deluded. Most of the poor are not poor

because they are lazy, but because well paying jobs are scarce and the

minimum wage is nowhere near the living wage. Most of the wealth in

this country is owned by the ruling class. The rest of us get crumbs.

 

Alobar

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ralph Childers, Jr.<alphome04

wrote:

> Many of people who are poor are that way because they choose to be that

way.. They choose to take government handouts instead of working. There are some

that are poor due to circumstances beyond their control, which I also realize.

>

> As far as for congress, they voted down an amendment to the healthcare bill

that would make it mandatory for them to use the healthcare that is for the rest

of the population. What they are trying to shove down our throats is not good

enough for

> them.

>

> I never have to go to doctors either because I do what I can to keep myself

healthy and fit. If I ever do have to go I don't want to have to wait 10 hours

or more to get treatment, such as you have to in other countries with socialized

medicine. If it is deemed you are a useful member of society and are eligible

for healthcare.. Yes, this administration is planning to ration healthcare

according to your age and usefulness to society. And did I mention that they

will encourage euthanasia for older americans?

>

> Healthcare is not a right it is a privelage. The federal government's job is

to provide an army, deal with foreign nations and keep peace. It is not to

provide healthcare or be in business such as the present administation is. They

are not capable of more as evidenced by the medicare fiasco.

>

> And yes there does need to be health reform but not government controlled

health reform.

>

> Alphome

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Alobar <Alobar

>

> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:13:29 AM

> Re: << >> FAIR: Keep Up the Pressure for

a Real Healthcare Debate! Help Us Reach 15,000 Signatures!

>

>

> Poor cannot afford healthcare in the US. Stories about people coming

> here from Canada to get healthcare fail to mention that those folks

> are able to pay big money for treatment. The rich can afford good

> insurance. If I had an insurance policy like the Congress critters

> have, I would be happy.

>

> I almost never go to doctors. But if I get shot, run over by a car,

> or need bloodwork to look at my blood insulin levels, it would be nice

> if I could afford it.

>

> Healthcare is not unconstitutional. See section 8: " provide for . . .

> general welfare " .

>

> Big corporations rake in huge profits from health insurance. The

> medical industry is grossly overpaid because the limit the number of

> medical students. No reason I should have to pay for a doctor's new

> Mercedes or a vacation home!

>

> Alobar

>

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ralph Childers,

> Jr.<alphome04 > wrote:

>> Are you are talking about socialized medicine such as what Canada and

Britain have? They come to the US to get decent health care. Anything the

government has a hand in will be messed up. Look at medicare. There is too much

corruption starting at the top. Government needs to stay out of healthcare and

business. It is not what we elect them for not to mention that it is probably

unconstitutional.

>>

>>

>

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