Guest guest Report post Posted December 8, 2008 Actually I find your post very arrogant. There are many providers out there that may have been initially trained in allopathic medicine but have gone back and acquired training in natural medicine. I am one of them. Then there are providers who trained in natural medicine and who are also MD s. I go to one of them. You are doing a disservice to people when you make these incorrect blanket statements! Nancie ---- Alobar 12/7/2008 4:55:13 PM ; coconut_oil_open_forum << >> " Did you know? " On various health related e-lists, I frequently see posts by people who trust what their doctors tell them. These folks cannot comprehend that that their doctors just can't keep up with all the new discoveries, new research, and approaches never taught to them in med school. Doctors are very specialized specialists. Anything beyond their specialized knowledge is unknown to 99% of all doctors. So doctors give misleading information on vitamins, and know nothing of therapies which many on this list understand in depth. I just watched a short video on youtube which demonstrates how quickly our world (and out worldviews) our changing. " Did you know? " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteiqLgZFOU & feature=related Future Shock was a book written by the sociologist and futurologist Alvin Toffler in 1970. The rate of change has drastically increased since 1970. At this point in time, NOBODY can keep up with all the latest information discoveries. For me, e-lists, like this one, enable me to see health challenges and solutions from many different perspectives. Some people I know scoff at me for thinking I know more than an M.D. I laugh back and tell them that the MD knows vastly more about prescription drugs than I do, but I know more detailed information about supplements, vitamins, and alternative perspectives than most docs ever heard of. Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 I am arrogant based upon my life experience. You say there are " many " docs who aquired training in natural medicine. I doubt it is " many " . Do you have web references to back up your assertions? Medline is supposed to index health related research, but they refuse to index orthomolecular papers from peer reviewed publications. So even docs who want to learn alternatives to the standard alopathic bs, do not have easy access to cutting edge information. When I was having problems with leg cramps I asked my doc about possible causes. I suspected diabetic neuropathy or a " side effect " of the diabetic med I was on. The doc was clueless and never got back to me with more info. I stumbled on information daling with people with problems handling dietary oxalates. I went on a low oxalate diet. The cramping went away. I had a leg infection. Another doc put me on antibiotics and told me to take on Zinc tablet a day. The leg stopped exuding puss, but did not heal. A Naturopath I know in Canada sent me some St.Johm's Wort oil. That stopped my leg problems and restored my hatural skin color rather than the deep dark bruised look. No doc has ever told me to take more than the RDA for Vitamin C, Vitamin D, or Niacin. Doing my own research, I saw that the RDA for all 3 is criminally low. Docs would be useful to me if I had been shot, run over by a car, or severely burned. But not much else. Alobar On 12/7/08, Nancie Elizabeth Barnett <deifspirit wrote: > Actually I find your post very arrogant. There are many providers out there > that may have been initially trained in allopathic medicine but have gone > back and acquired training in natural medicine. I am one of them. > Then there are providers who trained in natural medicine and who are also MD > s. I go to one of them. > You are doing a disservice to people when you make these incorrect blanket > statements! > Nancie > ---- > > Alobar > 12/7/2008 4:55:13 PM > ; > coconut_oil_open_forum > << >> " Did you know? " > > On various health related e-lists, I frequently see posts by people > who trust what their doctors tell them. These folks cannot comprehend > that that their doctors just can't keep up with all the new > discoveries, new research, and approaches never taught to them in med > school. Doctors are very specialized specialists. Anything beyond > their specialized knowledge is unknown to 99% of all doctors. So > doctors give misleading information on vitamins, and know nothing of > therapies which many on this list understand in depth. > > I just watched a short video on youtube which demonstrates how quickly > our world (and out worldviews) our changing. > > " Did you know? " > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteiqLgZFOU & feature=related > > Future Shock was a book written by the sociologist and futurologist > Alvin Toffler in 1970. The rate of change has drastically increased > since 1970. At this point in time, NOBODY can keep up with all the > latest information discoveries. > > For me, e-lists, like this one, enable me to see health challenges and > solutions from many different perspectives. Some people I know scoff > at me for thinking I know more than an M.D. I laugh back and tell > them that the MD knows vastly more about prescription drugs than I do, > but I know more detailed information about supplements, vitamins, and > alternative perspectives than most docs ever heard of. > > Alobar > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 > Docs would be useful to me if I had been shot, run over by a car, or > severely burned. But not much else. > > Alobar > I agree with the shot or run over, but what the docs do to burn victims should be considered torture at best or attempted murder if they live. Rod Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Are you kidding? NIH has a Natural medicine site dedicated to natural medicine research! WHO has a division dedicated to natural medicine research! There are many school and university programs all over the world that trains providers in natural medicine.. Some of the providers- I went to school with at UCLA You can Google natural medicine providers; Here are some links. Http://www.naturopathic.org/ http://www.aanmc.org/the-schools/ncnm--ore.php http://www.americanherbalistsguild.com/fundamentals http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/main.cfm http://healthprofs.com/cam/prof_search.php?gclid=CNbzpemjtZcCFQ89awod30LKkA http://www.busac.org/mainsite/stories/004.php http://www.altmedus.com/ http://www.naturemed.org/links.php http://www.ccnm.ac nz/Herbal-Medicine-Massage-Nutrition-Reflexology-Study-CCNM.html http://www.naturalstandard.com/index-abstract asp?create-abstract=/monographs/herbssupplements/adrenalextract.asp http://www.ohsu.edu/orccamind/cam.shtml http://www.cewm.med.ucla.edu/ http://www.integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/ http://www.integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/alumni.html http://www.naet.com/rs/drnamerica.html http://nccam.nih.gov/camonpubmed/ http://www.ayurveda-berkeley.com/ayurvedic_medicine_what_is_it.htm http://www.azwellness.info/practitioners/ayurvedicmedicine.htm http://www.ayurvedacollege.com/services/index.htm http://www.switchboard.com/webresults htm?qcat=web & qkw=Ayurvedic%2BClinic+Fairfield%20IA http://www.cewm.med.ucla.edu/research/IM_center.html Nancie Alobar I am arrogant based upon my life experience. You say there are " many " docs who aquired training in natural medicine. I doubt it is " many " . Do you have web references to back up your assertions? .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nancie, I have to tell you, you're a rare breed of doctor. I do agree that there are some providers that have alternative med training as well, just very few of them. I am very involved in the autism and disability community in my state, and you can't believe how many doctors kick patients out of their practice because they refuse vaccinations, how many put 2 and 3 yr olds on Risperdal, clonidin, prozac and several prescriptions at once. The doctors that are trained in natural medicine are very crowded and there is a long wait to get to see them, some have even closed their practice to new patients. Most parents I know have more knowledge about treatment for autism than their doctors. Nagla , " Nancie Elizabeth Barnett " <deifspirit wrote: > > Actually I find your post very arrogant. There are many providers out there > that may have been initially trained in allopathic medicine but have gone > back and acquired training in natural medicine. I am one of them. > Then there are providers who trained in natural medicine and who are also MD > s. I go to one of them. > You are doing a disservice to people when you make these incorrect blanket > statements! > Nancie > ---- > > Alobar > 12/7/2008 4:55:13 PM > ; > coconut_oil_open_forum > << >> " Did you know? " > > On various health related e-lists, I frequently see posts by people > who trust what their doctors tell them. These folks cannot comprehend > that that their doctors just can't keep up with all the new > discoveries, new research, and approaches never taught to them in med > school. Doctors are very specialized specialists. Anything beyond > their specialized knowledge is unknown to 99% of all doctors. So > doctors give misleading information on vitamins, and know nothing of > therapies which many on this list understand in depth. > > I just watched a short video on youtube which demonstrates how quickly > our world (and out worldviews) our changing. > > " Did you know? " > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nteiqLgZFOU & feature=related > > Future Shock was a book written by the sociologist and futurologist > Alvin Toffler in 1970. The rate of change has drastically increased > since 1970. At this point in time, NOBODY can keep up with all the > latest information discoveries. > > For me, e-lists, like this one, enable me to see health challenges and > solutions from many different perspectives. Some people I know scoff > at me for thinking I know more than an M.D. I laugh back and tell > them that the MD knows vastly more about prescription drugs than I do, > but I know more detailed information about supplements, vitamins, and > alternative perspectives than most docs ever heard of. > > Alobar > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2008 If one is poor, like I am, going to a specialist is out of the question. Regular docs have zero training in doing anything but dispensing drugs, giving lousy dietary advice, and performing surgeries. And I have heard of much strange/wrong advice being dispensed by some highly paid " experts " who charge top dollar for their consultations. Like vegan docs who warn people away from taking fish oils, for instance, even though omega 3 and vitamin D from plants is not nearly as effective. I repeat, MOST docs are not the least bit holistic. They are but ignorant pushers for the drug industry. Yes, information is out there. But I have a far better chance of finding the information on my own than I do of finding a reasonably priced doctor who knows more than I do about vitamins, minerals, and herbs pertaining to what is going on with me. Docs can be useful for blood tests and for diagnosing problems. But I rely on myself for treatment. Much safer that way! You still haven't mentioned anything about what percentage of docs actually have significant training in vitamins, and other holistic techniques beyond what bad medical schools teach. Alobar On 12/10/08, Nancie Elizabeth Barnett <deifspirit wrote: > Are you kidding? NIH has a Natural medicine site dedicated to natural > medicine research! > WHO has a division dedicated to natural medicine research! > There are many school and university programs all over the world that trains > providers in natural medicine.. > Some of the providers- I went to school with at UCLA > You can Google natural medicine providers; Here are some links. > Http://www.naturopathic.org/ > http://www.aanmc.org/the-schools/ncnm--ore.php > http://www.americanherbalistsguild.com/fundamentals > http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/main.cfm > http://healthprofs.com/cam/prof_search.php?gclid=CNbzpemjtZcCFQ89awod30LKkA > http://www.busac.org/mainsite/stories/004.php > http://www.altmedus.com/ > http://www.naturemed.org/links.php > http://www.ccnm.ac > nz/Herbal-Medicine-Massage-Nutrition-Reflexology-Study-CCNM.html > http://www.naturalstandard.com/index-abstract > asp?create-abstract=/monographs/herbssupplements/adrenalextract.asp > http://www.ohsu.edu/orccamind/cam.shtml > http://www.cewm.med.ucla.edu/ > http://www.integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/ > http://www.integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/alumni.html > http://www.naet.com/rs/drnamerica.html > http://nccam.nih.gov/camonpubmed/ > http://www.ayurveda-berkeley.com/ayurvedic_medicine_what_is_it.htm > http://www.azwellness.info/practitioners/ayurvedicmedicine.htm > http://www.ayurvedacollege.com/services/index.htm > http://www.switchboard.com/webresults > htm?qcat=web & qkw=Ayurvedic%2BClinic+Fairfield%20IA > http://www.cewm.med.ucla.edu/research/IM_center.html > > > Nancie > > > > Alobar > > > I am arrogant based upon my life experience. You say there are > " many " docs who aquired training in natural medicine. I doubt it is > " many " . Do you have web references to back up your assertions? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
