Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 The #1 concern with post-menopausal bleeding, from a western perspective, is endometrial cancer. Bleeding after intercourse - which may be related to a friable cervix - or bleeding between periods is often associated with chlamydia infection, which can be diagnosed with a cervical swab (not Pap smear) or a newer urine test. Infection is often not appropriately tested for if a woman & /or her gyn believes she is not at risk - such as the sixty year old married woman who was seen at my clinic and who had been treated for several years for " yeast " infections, since she believed she'd been in a monogamous relationship for 40 years. The yeast cleared up as soon as the underlying chlamydia was treated. So, unfortunately, it's not safe to assume that someone has been " tested for everything " . Less commonly, bleeding can be associated with a fairly advanced cervical cancer, although this is most often asymptomatic. But I'm getting away from myself. The writer who said that Pap smears are only 16% effective and therefore a waste of time is mis-informed. Pap smears are far from 100% accurate (about 70% accurate with a competent practitioner, good lab, and appropriate follow-up), but other than colposcopy, which is far more expensive, they are the only way to identify pre-cancerous cervical changes. Regular Pap smears, with careful follow-up of any abnormal findings, are one of the most benign, inexpensive tools offered by allopathic medicine. Lack of access to or utilization of Pap smears is associated with a higher incidence of invasive cervical cancer, which, to state the obvious, can be fatal. Pre-cancerous changes (dysplasia), can, on the other hand, be efffectively treated over 90% of the time. As these changes are associated with infection with papilloma virus (HPV), I'd love to know whether there are general recommendations that can be made about herbs with anti-viral properties. Could most people with HPV benefit from the use of maitake & other medicinal mushrooms (if they can afford them)? Ditto for herpes. I realize this " one size fits all " use of herbs is far from ideal, but I appreciate any suggestions. Kol Goodstein RN Massachusetts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 kol. thank you for all that info. again ...i have a question regarding full hysterectomy patients...is it advisable, necessary to recommend pap smears on an annual basis? thanks susan Kol <fernandkol Chinese Medicine Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:02:19 -0800 (PST) clarification on some gyn issues The #1 concern with post-menopausal bleeding, from a western perspective, is endometrial cancer. Bleeding after intercourse - which may be related to a friable cervix - or bleeding between periods is often associated with chlamydia infection, which can be diagnosed with a cervical swab (not Pap smear) or a newer urine test. Infection is often not appropriately tested for if a woman & /or her gyn believes she is not at risk - such as the sixty year old married woman who was seen at my clinic and who had been treated for several years for " yeast " infections, since she believed she'd been in a monogamous relationship for 40 years. The yeast cleared up as soon as the underlying chlamydia was treated. So, unfortunately, it's not safe to assume that someone has been " tested for everything " . Less commonly, bleeding can be associated with a fairly advanced cervical cancer, although this is most often asymptomatic. But I'm getting away from myself. The writer who said that Pap smears are only 16% effective and therefore a waste of time is mis-informed. Pap smears are far from 100% accurate (about 70% accurate with a competent practitioner, good lab, and appropriate follow-up), but other than colposcopy, which is far more expensive, they are the only way to identify pre-cancerous cervical changes. Regular Pap smears, with careful follow-up of any abnormal findings, are one of the most benign, inexpensive tools offered by allopathic medicine. Lack of access to or utilization of Pap smears is associated with a higher incidence of invasive cervical cancer, which, to state the obvious, can be fatal. Pre-cancerous changes (dysplasia), can, on the other hand, be efffectively treated over 90% of the time. As these changes are associated with infection with papilloma virus (HPV), I'd love to know whether there are general recommendations that can be made about herbs with anti-viral properties. Could most people with HPV benefit from the use of maitake & other medicinal mushrooms (if they can afford them)? Ditto for herpes. I realize this " one size fits all " use of herbs is far from ideal, but I appreciate any suggestions. Kol Goodstein RN Massachusetts Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 RE: HPV and herpes and herbs, Hi there, Im not sure if you have been following the news lately, but an AUstralian doctor (actually, I think hes originally scottish.) is trialling an HPV vaccine for prevention of cervical cancer. We'll have to see how that one pans out. Chinese Herbs are used successfully for treatment of HPV, and are used for both treatment and prevention of herpes simplex and zoster. (Aaaahhhh, those fond memories from the dermatology department in China, the day, every week, that came to be known as " Anal Warts Thursday. " ) I can provide more information about these herbs if you are interested. Regards, Lea. Chinese Medicine , acuschiff wrote: > > kol. > thank you for all that info. again ...i have a question regarding full hysterectomy patients...is it advisable, necessary to recommend pap smears on an annual basis? > > thanks > susan > > > Kol <fernandkol > Chinese Medicine > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:02:19 -0800 (PST) > clarification on some gyn issues > > > The #1 concern with post-menopausal bleeding, from a > western perspective, is endometrial cancer. > > Bleeding after intercourse - which may be related to a > friable cervix - or bleeding between periods is often > associated with chlamydia infection, which can be > diagnosed with a cervical swab (not Pap smear) or a > newer urine test. Infection is often not appropriately > tested for if a woman & /or her gyn believes she is not > at risk - such as the sixty year old married woman who > was seen at my clinic and who had been treated for > several years for " yeast " infections, since she > believed she'd been in a monogamous relationship for > 40 years. The yeast cleared up as soon as the > underlying chlamydia was treated. So, unfortunately, > it's not safe to assume that someone has been " tested > for everything " . > > Less commonly, bleeding can be associated with a > fairly advanced cervical cancer, although this is most > often asymptomatic. > > But I'm getting away from myself. > > The writer who said that Pap smears are only 16% > effective and therefore a waste of time is > mis-informed. > > Pap smears are far from 100% accurate (about 70% > accurate with a competent practitioner, good lab, and > appropriate follow-up), but other than colposcopy, > which is far more expensive, they are the only way to > identify pre-cancerous cervical changes. Regular Pap > smears, with careful follow-up of any abnormal > findings, are one of the most benign, inexpensive > tools offered by allopathic medicine. > > Lack of access to or utilization of Pap smears is > associated with a higher incidence of invasive > cervical cancer, which, to state the obvious, can be > fatal. > > Pre-cancerous changes (dysplasia), can, on the other > hand, be efffectively treated over 90% of the time. > As these changes are associated with infection with > papilloma virus (HPV), I'd love to know whether there > are general recommendations that can be made about > herbs with anti-viral properties. Could most people > with HPV benefit from the use of maitake & other > medicinal mushrooms (if they can afford them)? Ditto > for herpes. > > I realize this " one size fits all " use of herbs is far > from ideal, but I appreciate any suggestions. > > Kol Goodstein RN > Massachusetts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese Medicine Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Hi Leah, I'd like more info about which formulas they used for herpes simplex and zoster - and were they in raw form or pills? Thanks, --- leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: > RE: HPV and herpes and herbs, > > Hi there, > Im not sure if you have been following the news lately, but an > AUstralian doctor (actually, I think hes originally scottish.) is > trialling an HPV vaccine for prevention of cervical cancer. We'll > have to see how that one pans out. > Chinese Herbs are used successfully for treatment of HPV, and are > used for both treatment and prevention of herpes simplex and zoster. > (Aaaahhhh, those fond memories from the dermatology department in > China, the day, every week, that came to be known as " Anal Warts > Thursday. " ) I can provide more information about these herbs if you > are interested. > Regards, > Lea. > > Chinese Medicine , acuschiff > wrote: > > > > kol. > > thank you for all that info. again ...i have a question regarding > full hysterectomy patients...is it advisable, necessary to recommend > pap smears on an annual basis? > > > > thanks > > susan > > > > > > Kol <fernandkol > > Chinese Medicine > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:02:19 -0800 (PST) > > clarification on some gyn issues > > > > > > The #1 concern with post-menopausal bleeding, from a > > western perspective, is endometrial cancer. > > > > Bleeding after intercourse - which may be related to a > > friable cervix - or bleeding between periods is often > > associated with chlamydia infection, which can be > > diagnosed with a cervical swab (not Pap smear) or a > > newer urine test. Infection is often not appropriately > > tested for if a woman & /or her gyn believes she is not > > at risk - such as the sixty year old married woman who > > was seen at my clinic and who had been treated for > > several years for " yeast " infections, since she > > believed she'd been in a monogamous relationship for > > 40 years. The yeast cleared up as soon as the > > underlying chlamydia was treated. So, unfortunately, > > it's not safe to assume that someone has been " tested > > for everything " . > > > > Less commonly, bleeding can be associated with a > > fairly advanced cervical cancer, although this is most > > often asymptomatic. > > > > But I'm getting away from myself. > > > > The writer who said that Pap smears are only 16% > > effective and therefore a waste of time is > > mis-informed. > > > > Pap smears are far from 100% accurate (about 70% > > accurate with a competent practitioner, good lab, and > > appropriate follow-up), but other than colposcopy, > > which is far more expensive, they are the only way to > > identify pre-cancerous cervical changes. Regular Pap > > smears, with careful follow-up of any abnormal > > findings, are one of the most benign, inexpensive > > tools offered by allopathic medicine. > > > > Lack of access to or utilization of Pap smears is > > associated with a higher incidence of invasive > > cervical cancer, which, to state the obvious, can be > > fatal. > > > > Pre-cancerous changes (dysplasia), can, on the other > > hand, be efffectively treated over 90% of the time. > > As these changes are associated with infection with > > papilloma virus (HPV), I'd love to know whether there > > are general recommendations that can be made about > > herbs with anti-viral properties. Could most people > > with HPV benefit from the use of maitake & other > > medicinal mushrooms (if they can afford them)? Ditto > > for herpes. > > > > I realize this " one size fits all " use of herbs is far > > from ideal, but I appreciate any suggestions. > > > > Kol Goodstein RN > > Massachusetts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Lea Thanks I would love it if you could email me off the list. Beth Beth Grubb Licensed Acupuncturist 410-591-2644 SG1532 www.bethgrubb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Hi there, i will email you off list with the complete treatment protocol for herpes and shingles that I use if you like? (I wont post it here, as it was given to me by another practitioner and so its not mine to post) Its for raw herbs. I know that in terms of patents, you can always use something like Long dan Xie Gan Tang, if that fits the clinical picture, but I dont use alot of patents, so Im not sure what else is available out there. In terms of treatment in China, herpes simplex treatments tend to be, depending on the syndrome differentiation: Modified Xin Yi Qing Fei drink: Xin yi, pi paye, huangqin, shi gao, zhi mu, ju hua, sang ye, ban lan gen, da qing ye. (wind and heat in lung and stomach) Dampness heat: modified long dan xie gan tang All have ban lan gen added, and you can add pu gong ying, ye ju hua, ma chi xian and baijiangcao, if it fits. And you can use huang lian ointment topically. Its pretty much the same for herpes zoster, although you may add things like yan hu suo for pain and zi hua di ding etc. For post herpetic neuralgia you may wish to move blood stasis and reduce pain. A wonderfull western herbal is melissa officinalis, which is specifically antiviral against the herpes virus. However, if you patient can, and they are having a shingles outbreak, take the western med antivirals at the same time, like ramcyclovir and acucyclovir, as you want to hit shingles with everything youve got. Also, I think someone was saying before that they didnt like kneejerk use of cold herbs for herpes. Well, in acute cases of an outbreak, I have never seen anything else used, although Im not saying they dont, Ive seen alot of cases of herpes and shingles, especially in CHina, but Im not incredibly experienced or anything. I have seen warmer herbs used for post herpetic neuralgia though. I think I'll keep using at least the key herbs such as Ban Lan Gen. However, I can see that it could work, because moxa can be miraculous with acute shingles, and that is using heat, even though the vesicles themselves are considered to be dampness heat. It seems to be counter intuitive in some ways, but it really works. Regards, Lea. Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi Leah, > > I'd like more info about which formulas they used for herpes simplex and zoster - > and were they in raw form or pills? > > Thanks, > > > --- leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: > > > RE: HPV and herpes and herbs, > > > > Hi there, > > Im not sure if you have been following the news lately, but an > > AUstralian doctor (actually, I think hes originally scottish.) is > > trialling an HPV vaccine for prevention of cervical cancer. We'll > > have to see how that one pans out. > > Chinese Herbs are used successfully for treatment of HPV, and are > > used for both treatment and prevention of herpes simplex and zoster. > > (Aaaahhhh, those fond memories from the dermatology department in > > China, the day, every week, that came to be known as " Anal Warts > > Thursday. " ) I can provide more information about these herbs if you > > are interested. > > Regards, > > Lea. > > > > Chinese Medicine , acuschiff@ > > wrote: > > > > > > kol. > > > thank you for all that info. again ...i have a question regarding > > full hysterectomy patients...is it advisable, necessary to recommend > > pap smears on an annual basis? > > > > > > thanks > > > susan > > > > > > > > > Kol <fernandkol@> > > > Chinese Medicine > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:02:19 -0800 (PST) > > > clarification on some gyn issues > > > > > > > > > The #1 concern with post-menopausal bleeding, from a > > > western perspective, is endometrial cancer. > > > > > > Bleeding after intercourse - which may be related to a > > > friable cervix - or bleeding between periods is often > > > associated with chlamydia infection, which can be > > > diagnosed with a cervical swab (not Pap smear) or a > > > newer urine test. Infection is often not appropriately > > > tested for if a woman & /or her gyn believes she is not > > > at risk - such as the sixty year old married woman who > > > was seen at my clinic and who had been treated for > > > several years for " yeast " infections, since she > > > believed she'd been in a monogamous relationship for > > > 40 years. The yeast cleared up as soon as the > > > underlying chlamydia was treated. So, unfortunately, > > > it's not safe to assume that someone has been " tested > > > for everything " . > > > > > > Less commonly, bleeding can be associated with a > > > fairly advanced cervical cancer, although this is most > > > often asymptomatic. > > > > > > But I'm getting away from myself. > > > > > > The writer who said that Pap smears are only 16% > > > effective and therefore a waste of time is > > > mis-informed. > > > > > > Pap smears are far from 100% accurate (about 70% > > > accurate with a competent practitioner, good lab, and > > > appropriate follow-up), but other than colposcopy, > > > which is far more expensive, they are the only way to > > > identify pre-cancerous cervical changes. Regular Pap > > > smears, with careful follow-up of any abnormal > > > findings, are one of the most benign, inexpensive > > > tools offered by allopathic medicine. > > > > > > Lack of access to or utilization of Pap smears is > > > associated with a higher incidence of invasive > > > cervical cancer, which, to state the obvious, can be > > > fatal. > > > > > > Pre-cancerous changes (dysplasia), can, on the other > > > hand, be efffectively treated over 90% of the time. > > > As these changes are associated with infection with > > > papilloma virus (HPV), I'd love to know whether there > > > are general recommendations that can be made about > > > herbs with anti-viral properties. Could most people > > > with HPV benefit from the use of maitake & other > > > medicinal mushrooms (if they can afford them)? Ditto > > > for herpes. > > > > > > I realize this " one size fits all " use of herbs is far > > > from ideal, but I appreciate any suggestions. > > > > > > Kol Goodstein RN > > > Massachusetts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > > Medicine Times > > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > > the group > > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > > absolutely > > > necessary. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'm interested Lea that you are reluctant to share formulae that 'belong' to someone else. Is it a lineage hand-down thing? or someone has asked you not to pass the info on? Have you acquired them in a public forum such as classroom or workshop? Is it a difficulty where someone earns their living from seminars where they share this info? My inclination is to share everything and I'm interested to know why you have chosen this way. Sue Chinese Medicine , sg1532 wrote: > > Lea > Thanks I would love it if you could email me off the list. > > Beth > > Beth Grubb > Licensed Acupuncturist > 410-591-2644 > SG1532 > www.bethgrubb.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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