Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2005 Hi all, has anyone ever heard of a needle manipulation technique called " zi wu dao jiu " ? I only have a pinyin reference, and this short explanation: " After insertion, the needle is thrusted swiftly and lifted gently, then rotated to the left nine times. This is succeeded by swift lifting and gentle thrust, then six rotations to the right. The procedure is repeated several times and is used for treating sciatic pain " Does one thrust and lift only one time? Does one rotate the needle 360 degrees? Taken from " Essentials for AP treatment of radicular sciatica " , Journal of TCM, 2003, p. 237. Thanks in advance, Tom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites