Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Posted August 12, 2005 I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential excerpts below. >>>>Phil, out of curiosity, how long did it take you to translate using wenlin? Oakland, CA 94609 Quote
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 Hi All, I stumbled on a Chinese article on AP & allied therapies to aid smokers to quit. It mentions Jieyan-Quit Smoking Pt, which (I presume) is the same point referred to as " Tim-Mee Pt " in US sources. The Chinese version is at http://www.91985.com/zhongyi/nr.asp?id=25875 and the machine translation (awful) is at http://tinyurl.com/bgjhj I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential excerpts below. I invite those of you who can read Chinese to feedback any serious errors that may be in my excerpt, below. Many thanks, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jieyan-Quit Smoking Pt is new AP point that American AP & moxibustion doctor discovered. AP & moxibustion [help] quit smoking, because method is simple, effective, quick, has no adverse side effect & is well accepted. AP & moxibustion quit smoking effect is mainly by nervous system adjustment to eliminate tobacco addiction, by adjusting & improving lung function. It has two aspects: (1) suppression of smoke addiction, causes the subject not to want to smoke; (2) after eliminating smoking some withdrawal symptoms arise: agitation and edginess, spirit-mind (consciousness) is not centred, headache, drowsiness, stomach & intestinal upset, anxiety, etc. Each of those aspects complements the another. AP NEEDLE THERAPY: Take Jieyan-Quit Smoking Pt, located in a depression midway between LU07 Pt & LI05 Pt; smokers have definite tenderness to pressure-palpation there. Puncture at this Pt functions to suppress smoke addiction. Puncture Pt on one side / both sides each time. Retain needle for 15 minutes, every day 1, for 4 sessions / treatment course. EAR AP PT THERAPY: Take Ear AP Pts Mouth, Shenmen, LU, etc. Use 0.5 " AP needle, stabbed rapidly into each Ear Pt w moderate stimulation; retain needles for 15 minutes, 3 times / week, for 10 sessions / treatment course. Also one may bury mini-arrow-head needles or press-needles in the Ear AP Pts, or fix Vaccaria Seeds (Wangbuliuxing) on the Pts with adhesive plaster, alternating each ear in turn, every 4~6 days; instruct patient to press the Pts 3 times / day, or to press them as needed when craving /withdrawal symptoms arise. ELECTRO-AP THERAPY: Take bilateral LI04 or ST36; after AP induces Deqi connect needles by cables to electrical stimulator; stimulate for 15 minutes in continuous wave mode, to maximum tolerance of patient. Each time use 1 Pt bilaterally, daily; alternate Pts for 10 sessions / treatment course. LASER LIGHT THERAPY: Take LU07, LI05, LI04. Use helium-neon laser, held 20~30mm off the AP point; irradiate 1~2 Pts / day for 5 minutes each time, for 10 sessions / treatment course. AP Pt Paste-Application Therapy: Take equal parts of clove & cinnamon; ground in 100-mesh sieve, mixed, melted & warmed with black medicinal plaster semifinished product to prepare 6 plasters; allow to cool to 60 degrees and add monosodium glutamate; spread 1g of mixed paste on each 1.5×1.5 " medicinal plaster; Apply plaster to Jieyan- Quit Smoking Pt w LI04 Pt, / to nearest tender Pt near them; change plaster every day for 3-5 times / course. For these methods to succeed, subject must be determined / motivated to quit & be prepared suffer some minor withdrawal symptoms in the first 10 days or so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential excerpts below. >>>>Phil, out of curiosity, how long did it take you to translate using wenlin? Oakland, CA 94609 Quote
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Alon >> I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential excerpts below. > Phil, out of curiosity, how long did it take you > to translate using wenlin? Alon The time to translate the Jieyan article was circa 1.5 hours but Babelfish did much of the work. I rarely use Wenlin ALONE. THAT takes too much time. WWW has masses of useful TCM (herbal & AP) data in Chinese and I am slowly integrating the data with data in English and other languages. IMO, patience and persistence are essential traits for a professional researcher. I have those traits but I would give a lot for a really good Chinese translator that could take pages of text in Chinese and output accurate translations in English. Unfortunately, I have not found really good translation software yet. I usually run Chinese text through Babelfish and make a copy of BOTH the original and the Babelfish translation. Then, using MS Word, I break BOTH texts at the full-stops and sort them sentence-by-sentence, with the Chinese first, followed by the Babelfish sentence. Then I copy the lot into Wenlin and focus on the untranslated, or badly teanslated bits. That way, it is much faster, but is still tedious. Have any of you found a better way for people with no knowledge of Chinese to translate Chinese text?Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Alon >> I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential excerpts below. > Phil, out of curiosity, how long did it take you > to translate using wenlin? Alon The time to translate the Jieyan article was circa 1.5 hours but Babelfish did much of the work. I rarely use Wenlin ALONE. THAT takes too much time. WWW has masses of useful TCM (herbal & AP) data in Chinese and I am slowly integrating the data with data in English and other languages. IMO, patience and persistence are essential traits for a professional researcher. I have those traits but I would give a lot for a really good Chinese translator that could take pages of text in Chinese and output accurate translations in English. Unfortunately, I have not found really good translation software yet. I usually run Chinese text through Babelfish and make a copy of BOTH the original and the Babelfish translation. Then, using MS Word, I break BOTH texts at the full-stops and sort them sentence-by-sentence, with the Chinese first, followed by the Babelfish sentence. Then I copy the lot into Wenlin and focus on the untranslated, or badly teanslated bits. That way, it is much faster, but is still tedious. Have any of you found a better way for people with no knowledge of Chinese to translate Chinese text?Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 the jieyan xue is a very common point already in use, as I know, more than 15 years. the first time I read about it, in chinese, it was in a book of Liu Bingquan, dr. of chinese traditional medicine hospital in Canton. I read very easily chinese, and that short article it took just the time to read as I am reading in my own language. If you think that some article are interesting to be translated let me know!! I made translation from classical chinese medicine book. and usually I read them in chinese and only after those translated in foreigner languages. Well, the excerpts below it is not bad at all. Good search Luigi Chinese Medicine , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi Alon > > >> I had a stab at translating it using Wenlin, and have the essential > excerpts below. > > > Phil, out of curiosity, how long did it take you > to translate using > wenlin? Alon > > The time to translate the Jieyan article was circa 1.5 hours but Babelfish > did much of the work. I rarely use Wenlin ALONE. THAT takes too > much time. > > WWW has masses of useful TCM (herbal & AP) data in Chinese and I > am slowly integrating the data with data in English and other languages. > > IMO, patience and persistence are essential traits for a professional > researcher. I have those traits but I would give a lot for a really good > Chinese translator that could take pages of text in Chinese and output > accurate translations in English. Unfortunately, I have not found really > good translation software yet. > > I usually run Chinese text through Babelfish and make a copy of BOTH > the original and the Babelfish translation. > > Then, using MS Word, I break BOTH texts at the full-stops and sort > them sentence-by-sentence, with the Chinese first, followed by the > Babelfish sentence. > > Then I copy the lot into Wenlin and focus on the untranslated, or badly > teanslated bits. That way, it is much faster, but is still tedious. Have any > of you found a better way for people with no knowledge of Chinese to > translate Chinese text?Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt > man doing it " Quote
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