epigastric case study & medical i ching readings

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thank you so much for the reply, & no offense taken.

fascinating-lu xu, yes.this pt has asthma, much hx of

uris, pneumonia x2, & has no metal in her natal chart.

i did figure liv attacking stomach. She does sometimes

have liver probs e.g. Stagnation. The wood flies out

of control b/c the metals-xu rooting isnt providing

sufficient guidance to the wood. 1 concern of ours is

how 2 gauge, in t.o.m., chance of budding

malignancy... lynn

--- Chinese Medicine

<dkaikobad wrote:

> i apologize if i came across as obtuse

>

> taking cue from breech one may take maternal SP qi

as deficient,

> this would cause a misplaced fetus, or allow this

random turn at the

> last moment

>

> if this is the case, then the child would be born

with a deficient Son

> to SP,

> which would be LU Metal

>

> if this is so, and you would have to confirm with

signs, then the bi

> elemental pattern

> could be:

>

> LU Def, attacking LV and causing an Excess

>

> this would explain the hemangioma which is Bloodied,

Hot and Full

>

> the weak Earth symptoms would either be a back up of

LU Metal to SP,

> which is

> somewhat far fetched, or an attack of LV on ST,

which could be half

> acceptable

>

> if you can establish LU as primary and in

deficiency, and LV as

> secondary and in excess,

> the situation can be reversed very quickly with a

bi-elemental tone LU &

> reduce LV

> approach

>

> best

>

> holmes

>

> Lynn wrote:

>

> > -holmes wrote: >history is mainly WM

> >

> > and? hx also includes useful sx/sensation

descriptions,

> > e.g. " feel'g as if i've drunk milk that turned

several days ago "

> >

> > > i ching should not be mainstay

> >

> > " mainstay " of what? i am not using i ching coins

on acupoints.

> >

> > > am beginning to build one here: [40's, F,

flabby] 5 E - Earth

> >

> > she's fire-metal-earth. deficient fire makes for

too much damp earth.

> >

> > > mainly fishing

> >

> > well, that is generally the purpose of sharing

cases with other

> > professionals

> >

> > > i ching not to be invoked here, it is a misuse

> >

> > it's unfortunate that you have no experience with

medical use of the

> > i ching, and such a negative impression of the

same. it can be very

> > useful.

> >

> > > no need for help, figure it out

> >

> > since this patient's experience has been

refractory, and it would

> > have been helpful if she had returned to tx

sooner, i have put out

> > this sincere request for others' qualified and

much appreciated

> > assistance.

> >

> > > some parental history at birth?

> >

> > she had 2 parents. she was born full-term, first

child, turned at

> > the last minute and was born breech, a little bit

of forceps

> > assistance but not much, taken to incubator

overnite, 8 hrs of labor

> > but not hard till last 2 1/2 hrs. she was held

then taken to

> > incubator special nursery for obs b/c breech birth

for ~12hrs.

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

the problem with the matter is that as yet, even at this late stage,

there is no clear

5 elemental profile for her

 

the longer this is undecided, the more confused the situation will become

 

the most significant pathology one can go by is the hemangioma on LV

this cannot get there unless a fierce and destructive force was/is

acting on Wood

 

the only location this destructive qi can come from is Metal

 

if maternal qi was lacking, enough to cause a malposition in fetus, then

it is possible

the child came away with a congenital Metal deficiency

 

thus the working 5 E pattern is LU yin deficient, with LV or GB in excess

 

the next step is to quickly confirm this pattern, or scuttle it

 

here are some suggested parameters to do that:

 

LU yin deficiency primary -

* breathing problems at birth or childhood or youth

* the same aggravated at puberty

* childhood or youth asthma, this is low grade, K yin xu type

* very Dry skin, pores do not perspire, she cannot bear seasonal heat

* tongue: anterior 1/3 tends to congeal making tongue pointed with

marked apex

* at times there are LU indentations, twin depressions just short of tip

* tongue is Dry, tending to have a stiff unshaking body

* face has a tinge of white somewhere, under eyes, in small blotches on

cheeks

* chronic pain/ache at LU shu at UB 13 or thereabouts

* tender R K chain, K 23 or so till K 27, at R sterno-intercostals

* in contrast L should be painless or less painful

* R LV 14 tender, L not so

* on ear LU or corresponding sector on helix is exquisitely painful

* on ear there may some hardish, whitish nodules

* there must be hemorrhoids, some prolapse, occasionally bleeding

* there ought to be constipation or dry stool

* in a fair person the para nostril area may have some congestion or be red

 

please work with these and see if these are positive to any significant

degree

 

in any case a firm diagnosis should be arrived at quickly, TCM as i

practice it works by

patterns and chronology, and delivers quick results

 

regards

 

dr holmes

www.acu-free.com

1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387

 

 

 

J. Lynn Detamore wrote:

 

> thank you so much for the reply, & no offense taken.

> fascinating-lu xu, yes.this pt has asthma, much hx of

> uris, pneumonia x2, & has no metal in her natal chart.

> i did figure liv attacking stomach. She does sometimes

> have liver probs e.g. Stagnation. The wood flies out

> of control b/c the metals-xu rooting isnt providing

> sufficient guidance to the wood. 1 concern of ours is

> how 2 gauge, in t.o.m., chance of budding

> malignancy... lynn

> --- Chinese Medicine

> <dkaikobad wrote:

> > i apologize if i came across as obtuse

> >

> > taking cue from breech one may take maternal SP qi

> as deficient,

> > this would cause a misplaced fetus, or allow this

> random turn at the

> > last moment

> >

> > if this is the case, then the child would be born

> with a deficient Son

> > to SP,

> > which would be LU Metal

> >

> > if this is so, and you would have to confirm with

> signs, then the bi

> > elemental pattern

> > could be:

> >

> > LU Def, attacking LV and causing an Excess

> >

> > this would explain the hemangioma which is Bloodied,

> Hot and Full

> >

> > the weak Earth symptoms would either be a back up of

> LU Metal to SP,

> > which is

> > somewhat far fetched, or an attack of LV on ST,

> which could be half

> > acceptable

> >

> > if you can establish LU as primary and in

> deficiency, and LV as

> > secondary and in excess,

> > the situation can be reversed very quickly with a

> bi-elemental tone LU &

> > reduce LV

> > approach

> >

> > best

> >

> > holmes

> >

> > Lynn wrote:

> >

> > > -holmes wrote: >history is mainly WM

> > >

> > > and? hx also includes useful sx/sensation

> descriptions,

> > > e.g. " feel'g as if i've drunk milk that turned

> several days ago "

> > >

> > > > i ching should not be mainstay

> > >

> > > " mainstay " of what? i am not using i ching coins

> on acupoints.

> > >

> > > > am beginning to build one here: [40's, F,

> flabby] 5 E - Earth

> > >

> > > she's fire-metal-earth. deficient fire makes for

> too much damp earth.

> > >

> > > > mainly fishing

> > >

> > > well, that is generally the purpose of sharing

> cases with other

> > > professionals

> > >

> > > > i ching not to be invoked here, it is a misuse

> > >

> > > it's unfortunate that you have no experience with

> medical use of the

> > > i ching, and such a negative impression of the

> same. it can be very

> > > useful.

> > >

> > > > no need for help, figure it out

> > >

> > > since this patient's experience has been

> refractory, and it would

> > > have been helpful if she had returned to tx

> sooner, i have put out

> > > this sincere request for others' qualified and

> much appreciated

> > > assistance.

> > >

> > > > some parental history at birth?

> > >

> > > she had 2 parents. she was born full-term, first

> child, turned at

> > > the last minute and was born breech, a little bit

> of forceps

> > > assistance but not much, taken to incubator

> overnite, 8 hrs of labor

> > > but not hard till last 2 1/2 hrs. she was held

> then taken to

> > > incubator special nursery for obs b/c breech birth

> for ~12hrs.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >