Rose Otto ** EO Storage

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>>>>>>>>>I recall one case where a buyer bought Rose Otto from Chris and wrote

to

complain that it had crystalized .. can't remember exactly where that

buyer lived but it was someplace where the weather is normally about the

same temperature as a well digger's butt in a snow storm in Montana at

midnight on New Year's Eve. Anyway .. Chris told the buyer to take it

back to room temperature and it would be fine .. but room temperature in

this buyer's house was not what most folks would call normal so they had

to take it into the kitchen. <<<<<<<<<

 

 

When we lived in Southern California, during the cooler months, my rose otto

would crystalize at room temp. Before using, I'd have to warm it in my hands.

 

Christy

 

 

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Hey David,

 

> Now, this is anidotal, not scientific.

 

Its scientific .. I'm not gonna search my files now to find the exact

information on crystalizing .. unless someone wants to bet on it. ;-p

But I'll tell you what I know off the top of my fairly bald head. TRUE,

UNADULTERATED, Hydrodistilled Rose Otto will form colorless crystals of

stearopten at temperatures below 21 degrees Celsius .. thats about 69.8

degrees Fahrenheit. Most refrigerators are a heckuva lot colder than

that .. more in the 10 C or 50 F range.

 

IF your Rose Otto does NOT solidify/crystalize then it is adulterated.

Most likely with Phenyl ethyl alcohol (PEA) .. which is the most common

adulterant used by the unscrupulous. True Rose Otto does have between

3% - 5% PEA as a normal part of its chemical profile .. but I had one

sample sent to me that smelled like Acetone .. was obviously adulterated

so I had it analyzed for the person who was selling it because he was a

nice person and I knew it was crap. The oil was from the Balkans .. not

from Bulgaria. Lots of folks know about this particular sample .. Martin

Watt was with me when I gave it to Professor Baser for analyzing. The

person who was selling it knew nothing about the adulteration - was an

honest person for sure. But their Balkan supplier was NOT! The sample

tested OVER 76% Phenyl ethyl alcohol.

 

On the soap box a minute I'll get. Some who make soaps say it matters

not which oil they use because of humma-humma and schuffle-schuffle and

lots of other rationalization. Mayhaps they are right from a point of

therapeutics cause there is no such thing as a therapeutic soap .. not

unless you soak in the suds for an hour or so and then you're likely to

get irritated plus look like a danged prune. BUT .. from a matter of

pure economics it seems to me that a soap maker would/should oughta know

that they are getting their money's worth when they buy an EO.

 

IF a Commercial Grade .. untested EO costs $29.95 a pound and the same

oil in Aromatherapy Grade .. tested .. is $39.95 a pound .. for sure we

can see a difference. But if the Commercial Grade oil is made up of 50%

or so chemicals from a lab .. chemicals that cost $5 a pound .. then the

Commercial Grade oil is really worth $19.98. But .. what the heck .. if

we are into using Fragrance Oils in the first place .. which there is no

way to know their composition .. we will probably be satisfied with

adulterated Commercial Grade oils and not complain about being taken to

the cleaners. ;-p

 

> I head that if you put your Rose Otto in the fridge, that if it is the

> real stuff, it will crystalize in 20 minutes.

 

Try it for TWO MINUTES .. or even LESS depending on how cool you keep

your refrigerator.

 

> Well, I tried it, and sure enough it was frozen slushy!

 

Yep .. matter of factly. That's probably why the Great Spirit decided

to not have Roses growing in the Arctic .. the Essential Oil would have

to be called Rose Otto Sicles. ;-9

 

> Now, that batch of Rose Otto never quite smelled the same or as good.

 

Its your imagination .. believe me. There is NO degradation of chemical

change made when it solidifies/crystalizes .. take it back to a room

temperature and it will be finer'n frog hair split three ways.

 

And .. if anybody wants to put up the bucks .. we can have an analysis

of Rose Otto afore and after refrigeration. If there is any noticable

change in the chemical structure/percentages .. I will pay for that

analysis .. if not .. they get to pay. :-p

 

> Not sure how frezing it, crystalizing it, would change the chemisty.

 

It won't .. you can't find a chemist around who will disagree with me.

 

> But anyone who's ever had grainy Shea Butter or had chocolate that got

> those spots know crystalization can damage nice things.

 

I know nothing about Shea Butter .. its not a distilled product. I'm

guessing it has something to do with the level of fat in these things.

 

> So I do NOT recomend putting Rose Otto in the fridge.

 

RIGHT ON! No way should folks put Rose Otto in the refrigerator .. and

this also goes for Anise Seed though I don't remember the temperature at

which it crystalizes. Howsomeever .. I just took a sample out of my

refrigerator here in the office. It was in there for 6-7 minutes and it

was like a slush. I have no idea what the temperature is in my antique

refrigerator. It is older than I am .. and it has but two settings ..

ON and OFF .. and no temperature gauge.

 

Unrefined Extra-Virgin Olive Oil .. if you put it in the refrigerator it

" winterizes " .. turns cloudy and thick. Won't hurt it but there is not

reason to put it in there anyway.

 

I recall one case where a buyer bought Rose Otto from Chris and wrote to

complain that it had crystalized .. can't remember exactly where that

buyer lived but it was someplace where the weather is normally about the

same temperature as a well digger's butt in a snow storm in Montana at

midnight on New Year's Eve. Anyway .. Chris told the buyer to take it

back to room temperature and it would be fine .. but room temperature in

this buyer's house was not what most folks would call normal so they had

to take it into the kitchen. ;-p

 

> FWIW,

> David Roman

>

> PS Even for AT I'm a scent snob - - so it could be just my nose!

 

Yes Sir .. I think its fair enough to say that them calling themselves

scent snobs are normally driven by their olfactory senses .. sometimes

by their imagination .. or even their expectations. ;-p

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

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Butch Owen <butchbsi writes:

> TRUE, UNADULTERATED,

> of Hydrodistilled Rose Otto will form colorless crystals

> stearopten at temperatures below 21 degrees Celsius

> .. thats about 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit.

 

Well, I guess that means my RO will be crystallized at room temp. this

winter . . . I don't raise the temp above 65 during the day and turn it

back to 50 at night . . .

 

Guess I'll find out whether mine is adulterated or not. ;^P (I know it's

not . . . I got it from Butch!)

 

rox

 

 

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