Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Dear All, I am now suggesting an end to this thread. Its getting personal and way off topic so please no more. Regards, Angelo (moderator) Chinese Medicine , kim blankenship <kuangguiyu> wrote: > Skepticism is never lame. Questioning authority, especially arrogant authority that insists one must simply be quiet and concur with undivulged counter-measures as the only solution, is always a good idea. > > Kim Blankenship, L.Ac. > (not the opposition) > > jreidomd <jreidomd> wrote: > The May 3 additions to SB233 read in part: > Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize an acupuncturist to > diagnose any physical or mental disorder pursuant to Sections 2038 and > 2052. > This was proposed by the CMA. That is public knowledge. But actually it is > the content that means something, not who proposes it. There is no shortage > of potential beneficiaries if it came to shutting us down. > > Request for language that limited diagnosis to certain conditions was made > by Senator Figueroa in a private meeting with reps from a few organizations. > > If you have any further question of the veracity of my assertions, I suggest you > first identify yourself (full name and affiliation) This is a public list. > > Next, skepticsm is lame, but to your credit it is better than the non-reaction of > a few thousand sheep who will contine to be lead around by chiropractors, > insurance reps, and narrow-minded educators until it is too late, and then they > will throw the i-ching and pose ill-informed questions to the wrong people. > > READ my essays. If you find some point that is debatable, come back with > some sensible discussion. Beyond that , you should simply concur and start > working toward resolution that is mutually beneficial. Unless of course you > are actually one of the opposition. > > I already stated that the attack is not about to readily go away; nor am I going > to divulge what counter-measures I know are feasible. > > Whoever has been teaching students that they can't diagnose should be > strung up. It makes no difference what state you are in - if you are practicing > acupuncture or herbs, you MUST EVALUATE. And if you don't, that is clearly > a public safety violation, and you are asking to be shut down. > > Joe Reid > http://www.jreidomd.blogspot.com > > Chinese Medicine , " Tymothy " < > jellyphish@f...> wrote: > > jreidomd, > > Is there evidence for this? > > " The latest (May 3) addition to SB233 came straight from the CMA. " I > > went through Figueroa's lobby list and she received very little from the > > CMA, why would she make such a huge deal with so little cash? > > > > Also, where is this information? > > " Sen Figueroa indicated just a few days ago she also wanted specific > > examples of scope that diagnostic authority could then be limited to. " > > > > Certainly a case could be made that there are actors at play here who > > are not easily seen, but i would see their hands in the mix before > > simple assumption, there is the tendency in my experience to do that > > when against seeming authorities and i chose not to do that here until > > the information presents itself. > > > > Regards, Tymothy > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I agree. A lot of negative energy thrown at each other is certainly not going to help the cause. Anne Angelo DAlberto wrote: > Dear All, > > I am now suggesting an end to this thread. Its getting personal and > way off topic so please no more. > > Regards, > > Angelo (moderator) > > Chinese Medicine , kim blankenship > <kuangguiyu> wrote: > > Skepticism is never lame. Questioning authority, especially > arrogant authority that insists one must simply be quiet and concur > with undivulged counter-measures as the only solution, is always a > good idea. > > > > Kim Blankenship, L.Ac. > > (not the opposition) > > > > > jreidomd <jreidomd> wrote: > > The May 3 additions to SB233 read in part: > > Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize an > acupuncturist to > > diagnose any physical or mental disorder pursuant to Sections 2038 > and > > 2052. > > This was proposed by the CMA. That is public knowledge. But > actually it is > > the content that means something, not who proposes it. There is no > shortage > > of potential beneficiaries if it came to shutting us down. > > > > Request for language that limited diagnosis to certain conditions > was made > > by Senator Figueroa in a private meeting with reps from a few > organizations. > > > > If you have any further question of the veracity of my assertions, > I suggest you > > first identify yourself (full name and affiliation) This is a > public list. > > > > Next, skepticsm is lame, but to your credit it is better than the > non-reaction of > > a few thousand sheep who will contine to be lead around by > chiropractors, > > insurance reps, and narrow-minded educators until it is too late, > and then they > > will throw the i-ching and pose ill-informed questions to the wrong > people. > > > > READ my essays. If you find some point that is debatable, come > back with > > some sensible discussion. Beyond that , you should simply concur > and start > > working toward resolution that is mutually beneficial. Unless of > course you > > are actually one of the opposition. > > > > I already stated that the attack is not about to readily go away; > nor am I going > > to divulge what counter-measures I know are feasible. > > > > Whoever has been teaching students that they can't diagnose should > be > > strung up. It makes no difference what state you are in - if you > are practicing > > acupuncture or herbs, you MUST EVALUATE. And if you don't, that is > clearly > > a public safety violation, and you are asking to be shut down. > > > > Joe Reid > > http://www.jreidomd.blogspot.com > > > > Chinese Medicine , " Tymothy " < > > jellyphish@f...> wrote: > > > jreidomd, > > > Is there evidence for this? > > > " The latest (May 3) addition to SB233 came straight from the > CMA. " I > > > went through Figueroa's lobby list and she received very little > from the > > > CMA, why would she make such a huge deal with so little cash? > > > > > > Also, where is this information? > > > " Sen Figueroa indicated just a few days ago she also wanted > specific > > > examples of scope that diagnostic authority could then be limited > to. " > > > > > > Certainly a case could be made that there are actors at play here > who > > > are not easily seen, but i would see their hands in the mix before > > > simple assumption, there is the tendency in my experience to do > that > > > when against seeming authorities and i chose not to do that here > until > > > the information presents itself. > > > > > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link > page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > academics, > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 SB 233 died in the Senate Appropriations Committee. Matt - Anne Crowley Chinese Medicine Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:16 PM Re: Re: SB 233 - End of Thread Please I agree. A lot of negative energy thrown at each other is certainly not going to help the cause. Anne Angelo DAlberto wrote: > Dear All, > > I am now suggesting an end to this thread. Its getting personal and > way off topic so please no more. > > Regards, > > Angelo (moderator) > > Chinese Medicine , kim blankenship > <kuangguiyu> wrote: > > Skepticism is never lame. Questioning authority, especially > arrogant authority that insists one must simply be quiet and concur > with undivulged counter-measures as the only solution, is always a > good idea. > > > > Kim Blankenship, L.Ac. > > (not the opposition) > > > > > jreidomd <jreidomd> wrote: > > The May 3 additions to SB233 read in part: > > Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize an > acupuncturist to > > diagnose any physical or mental disorder pursuant to Sections 2038 > and > > 2052. > > This was proposed by the CMA. That is public knowledge. But > actually it is > > the content that means something, not who proposes it. There is no > shortage > > of potential beneficiaries if it came to shutting us down. > > > > Request for language that limited diagnosis to certain conditions > was made > > by Senator Figueroa in a private meeting with reps from a few > organizations. > > > > If you have any further question of the veracity of my assertions, > I suggest you > > first identify yourself (full name and affiliation) This is a > public list. > > > > Next, skepticsm is lame, but to your credit it is better than the > non-reaction of > > a few thousand sheep who will contine to be lead around by > chiropractors, > > insurance reps, and narrow-minded educators until it is too late, > and then they > > will throw the i-ching and pose ill-informed questions to the wrong > people. > > > > READ my essays. If you find some point that is debatable, come > back with > > some sensible discussion. Beyond that , you should simply concur > and start > > working toward resolution that is mutually beneficial. Unless of > course you > > are actually one of the opposition. > > > > I already stated that the attack is not about to readily go away; > nor am I going > > to divulge what counter-measures I know are feasible. > > > > Whoever has been teaching students that they can't diagnose should > be > > strung up. It makes no difference what state you are in - if you > are practicing > > acupuncture or herbs, you MUST EVALUATE. And if you don't, that is > clearly > > a public safety violation, and you are asking to be shut down. > > > > Joe Reid > > http://www.jreidomd.blogspot.com > > > > Chinese Medicine , " Tymothy " < > > jellyphish@f...> wrote: > > > jreidomd, > > > Is there evidence for this? > > > " The latest (May 3) addition to SB233 came straight from the > CMA. " I > > > went through Figueroa's lobby list and she received very little > from the > > > CMA, why would she make such a huge deal with so little cash? > > > > > > Also, where is this information? > > > " Sen Figueroa indicated just a few days ago she also wanted > specific > > > examples of scope that diagnostic authority could then be limited > to. " > > > > > > Certainly a case could be made that there are actors at play here > who > > > are not easily seen, but i would see their hands in the mix before > > > simple assumption, there is the tendency in my experience to do > that > > > when against seeming authorities and i chose not to do that here > until > > > the information presents itself. > > > > > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link > page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > academics, > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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