Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Alon: As stated in my message, research on this point is far from complete, but is ongoing, mostly in Chinese. If it pleases you to take this as a statement of faith, so be it. If leading Chinese researchers felt this simply a matter of faith, they wouldn't include it in their published works. Regards, Jack --- <alonmarcus wrote: > Somewhere within the Zhou Yi lies the answer to > these riddles, and > the answer probably concerns DNA as information, > >>>>That is a statment of faith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Mike: Chinese scholars study the Zhou Yi and the Tai Xuan Jing, especially with regard to medicine, math and physics. Not much of this work reaches translation. Only one of Yang Li's books has been translated into English, and reportedly bowlderized in the process. An octegenarian country doctor told me he was surprised to see such esoteric knowledge in print, saying that China would not release such knowledge in the past. The Cultural Revolution decimated a generation of intellectuals and set back study of the classics, so there needs to be more of such research. Western physics is the most advanced in terms of coming to terms with the Chinese classics, begining with the Tao of Physics and continuing to the present. The trend is clear in physics, but may take some time for math and medicine to catch up. For example, few understand or apply trinary (ternary) math, which forms the structure of the Tai Xuan Jing, and which may power future generations of computers. We're still a binary civilization, for the most part, and have no use for trinary computers yet. --- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: " This > type of work is needed as we are running into a > disturbing trend of practitioners that believe that the blood vessels and nerves are what the > classics thought of as jing luo. " This would prove an egregious mistake, signalling a complete failure to understand the classics, along the lines of viewing the world through Newtonian physics when we ought to be thinking more in terms of superstring theory and beyond. Paradigm shift is called for, and that requires more work and research, as well as opening closed minds. Regards, Jack Make your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when it comes to explanations of things scientific. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: RE: channel reality > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my >medical > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that > argument. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >Re: RE: channel reality > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the hand. To >say > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Jack, Glad you see it this way too. I am hopeful that others on this site might also take up the call and work to get a better understanding of the classics and making it known throughout the profession as the more you speak of it, the more likely it will become commonly known. As for the accreditation group they go by the name of NOMAA and have begun to accredit a few schools in an entry level doctorate program. Their founders have mentioned their belief in blood and nerves in past interviews with Acupuncturetoday. Check out their website and you will see such things as competency or evidence-based medicine as well as a course on the physiological basis of Oriental medicine is required. I know of only one program that has initiated this. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: RE: channel reality >Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) > >Mike: > >Chinese scholars study the Zhou Yi and the Tai Xuan >Jing, especially with regard to medicine, math and >physics. Not much of this work reaches translation. >Only one of Yang Li's books has been translated into >English, and reportedly bowlderized in the process. > >An octegenarian country doctor told me he was >surprised to see such esoteric knowledge in print, >saying that China would not release such knowledge in >the past. > >The Cultural Revolution decimated a generation of >intellectuals and set back study of the classics, so >there needs to be more of such research. > >Western physics is the most advanced in terms of >coming to terms with the Chinese classics, begining >with the Tao of Physics and continuing to the present. >The trend is clear in physics, but may take some time >for math and medicine to catch up. > >For example, few understand or apply trinary (ternary) >math, which forms the structure of the Tai Xuan Jing, >and which may power future generations of computers. >We're still a binary civilization, for the most part, >and have no use for trinary computers yet. > >--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > " This > type of work is needed as we are running into >a > > disturbing trend of practitioners that believe that >the blood vessels and nerves are what the > classics >thought of as jing luo. " > >This would prove an egregious mistake, signalling a >complete failure to understand the classics, along the >lines of viewing the world through Newtonian physics >when we ought to be thinking more in terms of >superstring theory and beyond. > >Paradigm shift is called for, and that requires more >work and research, as well as opening closed minds. > >Regards, Jack > > > > > >Make your home page >http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Mike: NOMAA does look scary, glad to see that AAOMA put them off last year. http://www.acupuncture.com/bboard/_disc1/00000048.htm Keeping them away takes lots of hard work. Regards, Jack --- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > Jack, > Glad you see it this way too. I am hopeful that > others on this site might > also take up the call and work to get a better > understanding of the classics > and making it known throughout the profession as the > more you speak of it, > the more likely it will become commonly known. > > As for the accreditation group they go by the name > of NOMAA and have begun > to accredit a few schools in an entry level > doctorate program. Their > founders have mentioned their belief in blood and > nerves in past interviews > with Acupuncturetoday. Check out their website and > you will see such things > as competency or evidence-based medicine as well as > a course on the > physiological basis of Oriental medicine is > required. I know of only one > program that has initiated this. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy > > > Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: RE: channel reality > >Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) > > > >Mike: > > > >Chinese scholars study the Zhou Yi and the Tai Xuan > >Jing, especially with regard to medicine, math and > >physics. Not much of this work reaches translation. > >Only one of Yang Li's books has been translated > into > >English, and reportedly bowlderized in the process. > > > >An octegenarian country doctor told me he was > >surprised to see such esoteric knowledge in print, > >saying that China would not release such knowledge > in > >the past. > > > >The Cultural Revolution decimated a generation of > >intellectuals and set back study of the classics, > so > >there needs to be more of such research. > > > >Western physics is the most advanced in terms of > >coming to terms with the Chinese classics, begining > >with the Tao of Physics and continuing to the > present. > >The trend is clear in physics, but may take some > time > >for math and medicine to catch up. > > > >For example, few understand or apply trinary > (ternary) > >math, which forms the structure of the Tai Xuan > Jing, > >and which may power future generations of > computers. > >We're still a binary civilization, for the most > part, > >and have no use for trinary computers yet. > > > >--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > > > " This > type of work is needed as we are running > into > >a > > > disturbing trend of practitioners that believe > that > >the blood vessels and nerves are what the > > classics > >thought of as jing luo. " > > > >This would prove an egregious mistake, signalling a > >complete failure to understand the classics, along > the > >lines of viewing the world through Newtonian > physics > >when we ought to be thinking more in terms of > >superstring theory and beyond. > > > >Paradigm shift is called for, and that requires > more > >work and research, as well as opening closed minds. > > > >Regards, Jack > > > > > > > > > > > >Make your home page > >http://www./r/hs > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Mike, " The physicist David Bohm argues that the entire universe is a hologram. This model allowed him to explain and resolve certain difficulties in experimental physics. ... The importance of this model is that it allows descriptions of how non-local events can produce local changes and how local event can produce non-local changes, that is, how every part of the universe communicates with all the other parts of the universe. " Chasing the Dragon's Tail, p xxxii Glossary of Terminology. So the change in polarity at the ear LI point can cause a non-local change at Hegu LI 4. Depending on polarity or side of ear LI point this change will either increase or decrease palpation pressure on the hand point. Best wishes, mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:47 AM Chinese Medicine RE: RE: channel reality I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when it comes to explanations of things scientific. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: RE: channel reality > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my >medical > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that > argument. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >Re: RE: channel reality > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the hand. To >say > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Sharon, I agree and have read about many such people like Bohm. Do you have a good link where others might read about such and did you have a chance to read any of the pdf files about the Korean research that I posted? What do you think, a picture is worth a thousand words. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:42:50 +1000 > >Mike, > " The physicist David Bohm argues that the entire universe is a hologram. >This model allowed him to explain and resolve certain difficulties in >experimental physics. ... The importance of this model is that it allows >descriptions of how non-local events can produce local changes and how >local >event can produce non-local changes, that is, how every part of the >universe >communicates with all the other parts of the universe. " Chasing the >Dragon's >Tail, p xxxii Glossary of Terminology. > >So the change in polarity at the ear LI point can cause a non-local change >at Hegu LI 4. Depending on polarity or side of ear LI point this change >will either increase or decrease palpation pressure on the hand point. > >Best wishes, > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:47 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: RE: channel reality > > > I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when it >comes > to explanations of things scientific. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > <> > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: RE: channel reality > >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > > > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: RE: channel reality > > > > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my > >medical > > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will >not > > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider >that > > argument. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > > >Chinese Medicine > > ><Chinese Medicine > > > >Re: RE: channel reality > > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the >hand. >To > >say > > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Jack, If the AAOM,ACAOM and CCAOM come to terms with the need for entry doctoral programs and then move to create them, the NOMAA will cease to exist for many reasons. We are being forced to move to this whether we like it of not, it is only a matter of when and how smooth. If we wait too long we only make things more difficult by allowing such fringe elements to get a foot hold. This will be problematic later on and could lead to an unwanted rift. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: RE: channel reality >Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:41:54 -0800 (PST) > >Mike: > >NOMAA does look scary, glad to see that AAOMA put them >off last year. > >http://www.acupuncture.com/bboard/_disc1/00000048.htm > >Keeping them away takes lots of hard work. > >Regards, Jack > > > > > >--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > Jack, > > Glad you see it this way too. I am hopeful that > > others on this site might > > also take up the call and work to get a better > > understanding of the classics > > and making it known throughout the profession as the > > more you speak of it, > > the more likely it will become commonly known. > > > > As for the accreditation group they go by the name > > of NOMAA and have begun > > to accredit a few schools in an entry level > > doctorate program. Their > > founders have mentioned their belief in blood and > > nerves in past interviews > > with Acupuncturetoday. Check out their website and > > you will see such things > > as competency or evidence-based medicine as well as > > a course on the > > physiological basis of Oriental medicine is > > required. I know of only one > > program that has initiated this. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > >Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: RE: channel reality > > >Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Mike: > > > > > >Chinese scholars study the Zhou Yi and the Tai Xuan > > >Jing, especially with regard to medicine, math and > > >physics. Not much of this work reaches translation. > > >Only one of Yang Li's books has been translated > > into > > >English, and reportedly bowlderized in the process. > > > > > >An octegenarian country doctor told me he was > > >surprised to see such esoteric knowledge in print, > > >saying that China would not release such knowledge > > in > > >the past. > > > > > >The Cultural Revolution decimated a generation of > > >intellectuals and set back study of the classics, > > so > > >there needs to be more of such research. > > > > > >Western physics is the most advanced in terms of > > >coming to terms with the Chinese classics, begining > > >with the Tao of Physics and continuing to the > > present. > > >The trend is clear in physics, but may take some > > time > > >for math and medicine to catch up. > > > > > >For example, few understand or apply trinary > > (ternary) > > >math, which forms the structure of the Tai Xuan > > Jing, > > >and which may power future generations of > > computers. > > >We're still a binary civilization, for the most > > part, > > >and have no use for trinary computers yet. > > > > > >--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > > > > > " This > type of work is needed as we are running > > into > > >a > > > > disturbing trend of practitioners that believe > > that > > >the blood vessels and nerves are what the > > > classics > > >thought of as jing luo. " > > > > > >This would prove an egregious mistake, signalling a > > >complete failure to understand the classics, along > > the > > >lines of viewing the world through Newtonian > > physics > > >when we ought to be thinking more in terms of > > >superstring theory and beyond. > > > > > >Paradigm shift is called for, and that requires > > more > > >work and research, as well as opening closed minds. > > > > > >Regards, Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make your home page > > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Mike & Sharon, You may already be familiar with The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, but if not let me recommend it as an easy introduction to Bohm's and Bohr's work. Kim Blankenship, L.Ac. mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: Sharon, I agree and have read about many such people like Bohm. Do you have a good link where others might read about such and did you have a chance to read any of the pdf files about the Korean research that I posted? What do you think, a picture is worth a thousand words. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:42:50 +1000 > >Mike, > " The physicist David Bohm argues that the entire universe is a hologram. >This model allowed him to explain and resolve certain difficulties in >experimental physics. ... The importance of this model is that it allows >descriptions of how non-local events can produce local changes and how >local >event can produce non-local changes, that is, how every part of the >universe >communicates with all the other parts of the universe. " Chasing the >Dragon's >Tail, p xxxii Glossary of Terminology. > >So the change in polarity at the ear LI point can cause a non-local change >at Hegu LI 4. Depending on polarity or side of ear LI point this change >will either increase or decrease palpation pressure on the hand point. > >Best wishes, > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:47 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: RE: channel reality > > > I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when it >comes > to explanations of things scientific. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > <> > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: RE: channel reality > >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > > > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: RE: channel reality > > > > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my > >medical > > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will >not > > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider >that > > argument. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > > >Chinese Medicine > > ><Chinese Medicine > > > >Re: RE: channel reality > > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the >hand. >To > >say > > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 In my medical anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that argument. >>>>> It is clear now that brain mapping is often extremely fluid and that connections are there or can be created from all structures. You are correct if you are looking for some simple tract, non-exist between the ear and hand. But that is differed than saying there is no nervous system connection between the hand and ear. alon mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my medical anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that argument. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: RE: channel reality >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the hand. To say >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hi Mike, What was the link to the PDF files? mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:28 PM Chinese Medicine RE: RE: channel reality Sharon, I agree and have read about many such people like Bohm. Do you have a good link where others might read about such and did you have a chance to read any of the pdf files about the Korean research that I posted? What do you think, a picture is worth a thousand words. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:42:50 +1000 > >Mike, > " The physicist David Bohm argues that the entire universe is a hologram. >This model allowed him to explain and resolve certain difficulties in >experimental physics. ... The importance of this model is that it allows >descriptions of how non-local events can produce local changes and how >local >event can produce non-local changes, that is, how every part of the >universe >communicates with all the other parts of the universe. " Chasing the >Dragon's >Tail, p xxxii Glossary of Terminology. > >So the change in polarity at the ear LI point can cause a non-local change >at Hegu LI 4. Depending on polarity or side of ear LI point this change >will either increase or decrease palpation pressure on the hand point. > >Best wishes, > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:47 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: RE: channel reality > > > I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when it >comes > to explanations of things scientific. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > <> > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: RE: channel reality > >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > > > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: RE: channel reality > > > > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my > >medical > > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will >not > > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider >that > > argument. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > > >Chinese Medicine > > ><Chinese Medicine > > > >Re: RE: channel reality > > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the >hand. >To > >say > > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Alon, What is your source of this info? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Alon Marcus <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:58:14 -0800 (PST) > >In my medical >anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not >doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that >argument. > >>>>> >It is clear now that brain mapping is often extremely fluid and that >connections are there or can be created from all structures. You are >correct if you are looking for some simple tract, non-exist between the ear >and hand. But that is differed than saying there is no nervous system >connection between the hand and ear. > >alon > > > > >mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: >One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In my medical >anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some will not >doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would consider that >argument. > > >Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >Re: RE: channel reality > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the hand. > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the hand. To >say > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Sharon, You can go to http://kmc.snu.ac.kr/Aframe.htm and check out their research and results. I am glad to see that someone is carrying on the work of Dr. Kim Bonghan. If these structures are further studied and Bonghan's original work confirmed this could be the single biggest discovery for our profession as we use these in our patient care. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <> >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: RE: channel reality >Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:01:26 +1000 > >Hi Mike, >What was the link to the PDF files? > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:28 PM > Chinese Medicine > RE: RE: channel reality > > > Sharon, > I agree and have read about many such people like Bohm. Do you have a >good > link where others might read about such and did you have a chance to >read > any of the pdf files about the Korean research that I posted? What do >you > think, a picture is worth a thousand words. > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > <> > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: RE: channel reality > >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:42:50 +1000 > > > >Mike, > > " The physicist David Bohm argues that the entire universe is a >hologram. > >This model allowed him to explain and resolve certain difficulties in > >experimental physics. ... The importance of this model is that it >allows > >descriptions of how non-local events can produce local changes and how > >local > >event can produce non-local changes, that is, how every part of the > >universe > >communicates with all the other parts of the universe. " Chasing the > >Dragon's > >Tail, p xxxii Glossary of Terminology. > > > >So the change in polarity at the ear LI point can cause a non-local >change > >at Hegu LI 4. Depending on polarity or side of ear LI point this >change > >will either increase or decrease palpation pressure on the hand point. > > > >Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > > Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:47 AM > > Chinese Medicine > > RE: RE: channel reality > > > > > > I find this to be a most interesting and often neglected idea when >it > >comes > > to explanations of things scientific. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > <> > > >Chinese Medicine > > ><Chinese Medicine > > > >RE: RE: channel reality > > >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:36:02 +1000 > > > > > >I suspect it is a hologram principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike Bowser [naturaldoc1] > > > Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:47 PM > > > Chinese Medicine > > > Re: RE: channel reality > > > > > > > > > One would have to question any connections from ear to hand. In >my > > >medical > > > anatomy course we have not ID any such direct connection. Some >will > >not > > > doubt argue that there must be an indirect one and I would >consider > >that > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > " " <alonmarcus > > > >Chinese Medicine > > > ><Chinese Medicine > > > > >Re: RE: channel reality > > > >Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:38:29 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >There are no nervous system connections from the ear to the >hand. > > > > >>>You mean there is no simple exon going from the ear to the > >hand. > >To > > >say > > > >there is no nervous system connection is false > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 What is your source of this info? >>>>Just read neuro journals, also i just came back from the annual meeting of the american academy of osteopathy and Willard, probably the best anatomist i have ever known, gave a talk just on that topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Alon, It sounds like you are excited by this discovery. It seems interesting to me that your acceptance of this is much like mine for the biological discovery of microtubules and their large contribution to the channel theory. So, why is there such a problem with a biological structure being considered as a possibility of the ancient theories? Notice I said possibility, which requires an open mind. Just curious. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: RE: channel reality >Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:26:07 -0600 > >What is your source of this info? > >>>>Just read neuro journals, also i just came back from the annual >meeting of the american academy of osteopathy and Willard, probably the >best anatomist i have ever known, gave a talk just on that topic > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 So, why is there such a problem with a biological structure being considered as a possibility of the ancient theories? Notice I said possibility, which requires an open mind. Just curious. >>>>>>Mike i really do not have a problem with it, and the site had some very interesting articles, great find. I was talking about the statement that the eching will have all the answers we just need to find them. That to me is a statement of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Alon, The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. When you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on points as mediators of growth and development. http://www.vxm.com/21R.65.html I hope that others will also post info of this nature and maybe we can create a database. Information is power. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: RE: channel reality >Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:07:05 -0600 > >So, why is there such a problem with a biological structure being >considered as a possibility of the ancient theories? Notice I said >possibility, which requires an open mind. >Just curious. > >>>>>>Mike i really do not have a problem with it, and the site had some >very interesting articles, great find. I was talking about the statement >that the eching will have all the answers we just need to find them. That >to me is a statement of faith. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. When you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on points as mediators of growth and development. >>>>There is a big difference between faith and evidence, but for those that insist otherwise I am with there is no starting point for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Alon, There is no evidence on future predictions of disease treatment through genetic medicine. One has or doesn't have faith that in the future that these treatments will extend life, repair genetic damage or, in the case of Kurzweil, produce immortality. I, for one, think that we should investigate genetic medicine, it has some great possibilities, especially in such areas as cancer treatment. However, some of the claims are fanciful. Not discussing issues of faith, evidence and medicine is avoiding some serious issues, in my opinion. On Apr 1, 2005, at 12:00 PM, wrote: > The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. > When > you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on > points > as mediators of growth and development. >>>>> There is a big difference between faith and evidence, but for >>>>> those that insist otherwise I am with there is no starting >>>>> point for discussion. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 There is no evidence on future predictions of disease treatment through genetic medicine. >>>>Zev, we already have treatments based on genes. So there is already evidence. Otherwise i would have absolutely no interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 On some conditions, very limited in fact. But many others are proposed that are mere speculations. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be interested, however. On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:47 PM, wrote: > There is no evidence on future predictions of disease treatment > through genetic medicine. >>>>> Zev, we already have treatments based on genes. So there is >>>>> already evidence. Otherwise i would have absolutely no interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 mike Bowser wrote: > Alon, > The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. When > you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on points > as mediators of growth and development. > > http://www.vxm.com/21R.65.html > > I hope that others will also post info of this nature and maybe we can > create a database. Information is power. > Hi Mike! Interesting idea. Database of links, or copy the article? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 When > you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on points > as mediators of growth and development. > >>>>>>>>>>>>Mike i reviewed these ideas in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Either Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Pete Theisen <petet >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: RE: channel reality >Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:56:27 -0500 > >mike Bowser wrote: > > Alon, > > The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. >When > > you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on >points > > as mediators of growth and development. > > > > http://www.vxm.com/21R.65.html > > > > I hope that others will also post info of this nature and maybe we can > > create a database. Information is power. > > > >Hi Mike! > >Interesting idea. Database of links, or copy the article? > >Regards, > >Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Morphogenesis from the Greek morphe, form and genesis, coming into being. Pleomorphism is the theory of microorganisms and infectious disease and is closely associated with . Pleomorphism where cells/diseases, and especially one-celled microorganisms, can change to cells/diseases of another type. For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the morphing of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone tissue. In TCM - Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Excess to Deficiency, Hot to Cold. yang to Yin. While Morphogenesis is highly respected and researched western trend, Pleomorphism and TCM remain viewed as kooky. A process of creating new organizational forms. In response to changing environmental conditions morphogenesis may be adaptive. [http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ASC/MORPHOGENES.html] All changes that involve growth, molting, and maturation are known as morphogenesis. [http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/morphogenes is.html] Prostate Gland Branching Morphogenesis Database http://www.ana.ed.ac.uk/anatomy/database/prosbase/proshome.h tml The vertebrae, ribs, and sternum all arise by different signaling mechanisms. Axial Skeleton: Morphogenesis http://www.brown.edu/Courses/BI0032/bone/axial4.htm Channel reality does not rest upon the recognition of " science " to be valid or to exist. However, channel reality, helps to illuminate. Nice article by the way Pete. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:56:27 -0500 Pete Theisen <petet Re: RE: channel reality mike Bowser wrote: > Alon, > The same faith can be added to that of medicine as well as religion. When > you have a chance check out this article by Dr. Charles Shang MD on points > as mediators of growth and development. > > http://www.vxm.com/21R.65.html > > I hope that others will also post info of this nature and maybe we can > create a database. Information is power. > Hi Mike! Interesting idea. Database of links, or copy the article? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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