Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Laura, Couple of comments about your post there is an up/down regulating pathway w/ the adrenals,Insulin, thyroid and steriod hormones. Elevated levels of progesterone or estrogen can repress TSH or t3 conversion. Elevated cortisol levels have a similiar effect on the thyroid. Chronic stress either physical or emotional effects insulin receptor sites which then effects t3 conversion. Many times women are misdx w/ thyroid issues when in fact it is issues w/ the adrenals, insulin or elevated estrogen levels. As you are considering getting pregnant, I would be curious about these values. Saliva hormonal panels are an easy way to determine if the values are in/out of range. Converting this bio med info to a useful cm tx protocol requires a traditional formula approach coupled w/ herbal pharmacological approach. Warren > > " heylaurag " <heylaurag > 2004/12/09 Thu AM 04:29:30 EST > > Armour experience > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written about this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a homeopathic remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since then I have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time things have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did NOT work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were what worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. Since I am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better throw in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question is, which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable arguments on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience anyone? The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build up the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried Armour briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So starting in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get pregnant soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get to a point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your kitchen oven? Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag Thanks, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Laura: I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once who recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should be the same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help raise my body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. Hope this helps, Anne heylaurag wrote: > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written about > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a homeopathic > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since then I > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time things > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did NOT > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were what > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. Since I > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better throw > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question is, > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable arguments > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience anyone? > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build up > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried Armour > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So starting > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get pregnant > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get to a > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your kitchen oven? > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag > > Thanks, > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Warren, Thanks so much for the response. What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me, but I wonder where I could find a like-minded doctor? Would a naturopath be able to test for these kinds of things? By the way, the herbs I mentioned that helped were not the only herbs in the formula, but they were the kinds of additions that seem to make a difference. Laura , <wcargal9@b...> wrote: > > Laura, > > Couple of comments about your post there is an up/down regulating pathway w/ the adrenals,Insulin, thyroid and steriod hormones. Elevated levels of progesterone or estrogen can repress TSH or t3 conversion. Elevated cortisol levels have a similiar effect on the thyroid. Chronic stress either physical or emotional effects insulin receptor sites which then effects t3 conversion. Many times women are misdx w/ thyroid issues when in fact it is issues w/ the adrenals, insulin or elevated estrogen levels. > > As you are considering getting pregnant, I would be curious about these values. Saliva hormonal panels are an easy way to determine if the values are in/out of range. Converting this bio med info to a useful cm tx protocol requires a traditional formula approach coupled w/ herbal pharmacological approach. > > Warren > > > > " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > > 2004/12/09 Thu AM 04:29:30 EST > > > > Armour experience > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one point? Thanks, Laura Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > Laura: > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once who > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should be the > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help raise my > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > Hope this helps, > > Anne > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written about > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a homeopathic > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since then I > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time things > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did NOT > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were what > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. Since I > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better throw > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question is, > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable arguments > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience anyone? > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build up > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried Armour > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So starting > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get pregnant > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get to a > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your kitchen oven? > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Hmmm, I wonder where i could find a pharmacy like that? I talked to an endocrinologist who said the other problem with Armour is that the T3's and T4's are not in the right proportion to each other---there's too much T3 and not enough T4. He felt that virtually everyone on thyroid medication needed the addition of T3's by taking Cytomel (not sure I spelled that right)---and that was why some people feel better on Armour than synthetic meds (because Armour has T3 and synthetic ones are just T4), but that its even better to use synthetic with the addition of cytomel. Of course, with my natural health sensibilities, I am not torn because there are good arguments on both sides. Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem with armour is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is solved by sustain release which you will have to get from special pharmacies > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Laura, We use diagnos tech to run our saliva hormone test (diagnostechs.com) and as a practioner they will interpret the test for you. Also many endrocinologist use the test so if you are working w/ one on your thyroid, discuss it w/ her. Warren > > " heylaurag " <heylaurag > 2004/12/09 Thu PM 08:32:06 EST > > Re: Armour experience > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Would a naturopath be able to test for these kinds of things? >>>>Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes, which channel does it affect? JOhn Garbarini --- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering > where on the upper > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell > me a channel? > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab > test at one > point? > > Thanks, > > Laura > > > Chinese Medicine , > Anne Crowley > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > Laura: > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a > natropath once > who > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on > a patch size of a > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at > night and it should > be the > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but > it did help > raise my > > body temperature. He had me take underarm > temperatures before even > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with > whatever else I'm > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one > of these mega > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Anne > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with > Armour---I've written > about > > > this before, but this time I am specifically > hoping to hear from > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year > ago I took a > homeopathic > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an > hour, and was soon > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know > that seems hard to > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good > things come with > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). > Anyway, since > then I > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. > Most of the time > things > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney > yang tonics did > NOT > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, > and su zi were > what > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those > herbs is very, very > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing > cold again. > Since I > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am > thinking I better > throw > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. > But the question > is, > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are > believable > arguments > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any > experience > anyone? > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that > they slowly build > up > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts > down. I tried > Armour > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't > stand it. So > starting > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am > hoping to get > pregnant > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does > it take to get > to a > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl > inside your > kitchen oven? > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel > free to write to me > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: > heylaurag@h... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. Anne heylaurag wrote: > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > point? > > Thanks, > > Laura > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > Laura: > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > who > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > be the > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > raise my > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Anne > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > about > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > homeopathic > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > then I > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > things > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > NOT > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > what > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > Since I > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > throw > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > is, > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > arguments > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > anyone? > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > up > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > Armour > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > starting > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > pregnant > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > to a > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > kitchen oven? > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem with armour is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is solved by sustain release which you will have to get from special pharmacies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 John: The location on the leg is has nothing to do with meridians from my knowledge, you can use the upper thigh or abdomen. This is only for testing purposes. Below is the test information and procedure. I might mention its best not to test when you are exercising due to the fact this will increase the metablolic rate and the iodine will disappear quicker, or you can do 2 tests with and without exercising. After doing the test, write down the time it took for the iodine patch to fade. The patch should remain for 24 hours. If the patch remains for 24 hours or longer there is no iodine deficiency. If the patch disappears within 24 hours, there is an iodine deficiency. The faster the patch disappears, the greater the deficiency. You will need to purchase a good quality iodine supplement. The one that I h ave found to be the best is from a company called BioTech. The product is called ALGA kelp. It contains 225 mcg of iodine per capsule. You can purchase it thru www.emersonecologics.com. You will need to set up a professional account with them to purchase. Once you are taking the supplement, test yourself every few weeks with the iodine patch test to see your improvement. You also want to make sure you are not taking too much iodine. A recent article in a medical journal taked about some of the problems with pregnant females and iodine deficiency and the impact upon the mother and fetus. Also, for a thyroid condition you should do an amino acid analysis and look at tyrosine. This is the main amino acid with hypothyroid. Also remember that when the body is under stress it uses tyrosine also. When I work up a patient with hypothyroid, I generally do the TSH, free T3, free T4, amino acid analysis, adrenalcortical stress, Barnes test and the iodine test. Hope this helps... Brian N. Hardy, DC, MS, LAc, DACBN, CCN IODINE PATCH TEST Name:___ Date:_____________________ The Iodine Patch Test is an excellent test for assessing for iodine deficiency. Despite the fortification of our salt and food with iodine many people are iodine deficient. Iodine is essential for the proper synthesis of thyroid hormone in the body. Unfortunately iodine deficiency is widespread because of the prevalence of chemicals such as chlorine, bromine and fluoride in our environment and water supply. These chemicals will quickly deplete iodine from the body and interfere with iodine metabolism leading to a number of problems including hypothyroidism, lowered vitality, cognitive dysfunction, lowered immunity, and obesity. The iodine patch test is an easy method of assessing your iodine levels. Instructions: 1. You will use the bottle of topical iodine supplied by your physician or in the test kit. Remember this is to be used topically and not orally. 2. Paint the skin of the inside of your forearm or abdomen with a 2 inch square patch of 2% iodine solution, being careful not to get the solution on your clothes as it will stain. Note the time you put the iodine onto the skin on the form below. 3. Air dry the patch before putting clothes on. 4. You will need to monitor how quickly the patch fades. 5. Avoid soaking in hot tubs or baths for 24 hours, as the chlorine or bromine in the water will cause the iodine to patch to come off. 6. Note on the form below how soon after application the iodine patch has disappeared. John Garbarini <johnlg_2000 wrote: Yes, which channel does it affect? JOhn Garbarini --- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering > where on the upper > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell > me a channel? > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab > test at one > point? > > Thanks, > > Laura > > > Chinese Medicine , > Anne Crowley > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > Laura: > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a > natropath once > who > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on > a patch size of a > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at > night and it should > be the > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but > it did help > raise my > > body temperature. He had me take underarm > temperatures before even > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with > whatever else I'm > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one > of these mega > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Anne > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with > Armour---I've written > about > > > this before, but this time I am specifically > hoping to hear from > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year > ago I took a > homeopathic > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an > hour, and was soon > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know > that seems hard to > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good > things come with > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). > Anyway, since > then I > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. > Most of the time > things > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney > yang tonics did > NOT > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, > and su zi were > what > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those > herbs is very, very > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing > cold again. > Since I > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am > thinking I better > throw > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. > But the question > is, > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are > believable > arguments > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any > experience > anyone? > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that > they slowly build > up > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts > down. I tried > Armour > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't > stand it. So > starting > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am > hoping to get > pregnant > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does > it take to get > to a > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl > inside your > kitchen oven? > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel > free to write to me > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: > heylaurag@h... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Laura http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Laura: Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4 assay to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3 is the active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to supplement your diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion of T4 to T3. One of the main cofactors is selenium. Brian heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: Hmmm, I wonder where i could find a pharmacy like that? I talked to an endocrinologist who said the other problem with Armour is that the T3's and T4's are not in the right proportion to each other---there's too much T3 and not enough T4. He felt that virtually everyone on thyroid medication needed the addition of T3's by taking Cytomel (not sure I spelled that right)---and that was why some people feel better on Armour than synthetic meds (because Armour has T3 and synthetic ones are just T4), but that its even better to use synthetic with the addition of cytomel. Of course, with my natural health sensibilities, I am not torn because there are good arguments on both sides. Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem with armour is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is solved by sustain release which you will have to get from special pharmacies > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Brian, Where do you practice and do you have a website? You can contact me offline. Thanks Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Brian Hardy <mischievous00 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Armour Experience >Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:22:13 -0800 (PST) > >Laura: > >Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4 >assay to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3 >is the active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to >supplement your diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion >of T4 to T3. One of the main cofactors is selenium. >Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition... Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT www.docaltmed.com " Life expands and contracts in proportion to one's courage. " -- Anais Nin - " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus <Chinese Medicine > Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM Re: Armour Experience > Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs > like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that > would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or > nutritional MD would be best > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Chiropractors are prescribing Armour? - " Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins <Chinese Medicine > Friday, December 10, 2004 2:02 PM Re: Armour Experience > > > To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are > Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition... > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA > Chiropractic Physician > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture > Kent, CT > www.docaltmed.com > > > " Life expands and contracts in proportion to one's courage. " -- Anais Nin > - > " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus > <Chinese Medicine > > Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM > Re: Armour Experience > >> Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs >> like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that >> would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or >> nutritional MD would be best >> >> http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I am also a Diplomate of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition, however I believe it depends on the state and licensing boards as to what you can do. I practiced in Studio City, CA for approx. 14 years before relocating to Utah. As far as I know my license doesn't allow me to prescribe either in both of these states. If you know that I am able to prescribe in these states having the diplomate I would appreciate your input. In Studio City, I shared an office with an MD, who would prescribe armour for my patients that needed it. He wasn't knowlegable about it but trusted me and my education and experience. Brian " Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins wrote: To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition... Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT www.docaltmed.com " Life expands and contracts in proportion to one's courage. " -- Anais Nin - " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus <Chinese Medicine > Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM Re: Armour Experience > Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs > like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that > would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or > nutritional MD would be best > > http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Mike: I recently relocated from Studio City, CA to Southern Utah, approx. 110 miles northeast of las vegas. I will be starting my practice sometime between April and June '05 depending if I go to China for a month. I still work with a few of my patients via email. I have an account setup with labcorp for all my blood work and other accounts with other labs that I use for different testing. My web site is: http://bodyfocus.chiroweb.com I would like to change the provider for my web site, if you have any suugestions I would appreciate it. Brian mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: Brian, Where do you practice and do you have a website? You can contact me offline. Thanks Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Brian Hardy <mischievous00 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Armour Experience >Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:22:13 -0800 (PST) > >Laura: > >Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4 >assay to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3 >is the active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to >supplement your diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion >of T4 to T3. One of the main cofactors is selenium. >Brian http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Hi all, Matsumoto uses reactiveness on pressure pain on Kid 2, Lu 10 and St 9 to suggest an imbalance in thyroid. Rx is to Kid 2 and Lu 10 points plus some ren pts for excess and to the Du channel for deficiency... buy her book or attend her lectures for details. You might also want to look at Chong mai which in medical acup (Helms) is considered to be the endocrine axis to the body. If you go into kinesiology, one of their protocol systems you can use acup to control levels of I think just about all hormones. If you are using unfermented soy products and maybe just soy in general it has a tendency to jeopardise the thyroid. Soy is hard to avoid these days. heylaurag [heylaurag] Saturday, 11 December 2004 6:45 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Armour Experience Hi Brian, Thanks for the info. I hope you don't mind me writing to you personally, but I'd rather not share everything about myself on the board! Do you find that you can usually avoid having the patient take Armour or synthetic thyroid? I " ve taken tyrosine and it definitely improved my energy, temp. and sleep, but I think that I got irritable....I seem to have symptoms of both hyper and hypo thyroid. Apparently that's not uncommon---an endocrinologist told me that it is common, and that the bottom line is that I have a crummy thyroid. In fact, I did take the thyroid hormone Armour for a little while and became HYPER thyroid on a very small dose. Another odd thing is that although many people need to take their thyroid hormone in the morning or it can cause insomnia, I would take it right before bed and it helped me sleep. This is consistent with what I've seen though---I tend to have a deficient type of insomnia and the only formula that has ever worked for it is Shi Quan Da Bu WAn (a very warm qi and blood tonic). But it seems to make me feel agitated if I take it regularly--perhaps I become a bit hyperthyroid. Thanks for your time and anything you can share. Laura Chinese Medicine , Brian Hardy <mischievous00> wrote: > > John: > > The location on the leg is has nothing to do with meridians from my knowledge, you can use the upper thigh or abdomen. This is only for testing purposes. Below is the test information and procedure. > > I might mention its best not to test when you are exercising due to the fact this will increase the metablolic rate and the iodine will disappear quicker, or you can do 2 tests with and without exercising. > > After doing the test, write down the time it took for the iodine patch to fade. The patch should remain for 24 hours. If the patch remains for 24 hours or longer there is no iodine deficiency. If the patch disappears within 24 hours, there is an iodine deficiency. The faster the patch disappears, the greater the deficiency. > > You will need to purchase a good quality iodine supplement. The one that I h ave found to be the best is from a company called BioTech. The product is called ALGA kelp. It contains 225 mcg of iodine per capsule. You can purchase it thru www.emersonecologics.com. You will need to set up a professional account with them to purchase. > > Once you are taking the supplement, test yourself every few weeks with the iodine patch test to see your improvement. You also want to make sure you are not taking too much iodine. A recent article in a medical journal taked about some of the problems with pregnant females and iodine deficiency and the impact upon the mother and fetus. > > Also, for a thyroid condition you should do an amino acid analysis and look at tyrosine. This is the main amino acid with hypothyroid. Also remember that when the body is under stress it uses tyrosine also. > > When I work up a patient with hypothyroid, I generally do the TSH, free T3, free T4, amino acid analysis, adrenalcortical stress, Barnes test and the iodine test. > > Hope this helps... > > Brian N. Hardy, DC, MS, LAc, DACBN, CCN > > > > IODINE PATCH TEST > > Name:___ Date:_____________________ > > The Iodine Patch Test is an excellent test for assessing for iodine deficiency. Despite > > the fortification of our salt and food with iodine many people are iodine deficient. Iodine > > is essential for the proper synthesis of thyroid hormone in the body. Unfortunately iodine > > deficiency is widespread because of the prevalence of chemicals such as chlorine, > > bromine and fluoride in our environment and water supply. These chemicals will quickly > > deplete iodine from the body and interfere with iodine metabolism leading to a number > > of problems including hypothyroidism, lowered vitality, cognitive dysfunction, lowered > > immunity, and obesity. The iodine patch test is an easy method of assessing your iodine > > levels. > > Instructions: > > 1. You will use the bottle of topical iodine supplied by your physician or in the test kit. Remember this is to be used topically and not orally. > > 2. Paint the skin of the inside of your forearm or abdomen with a 2 inch square patch of 2% iodine solution, being careful not to get the solution on your clothes as it will stain. Note the time you put the iodine onto the skin on the form below. > > 3. Air dry the patch before putting clothes on. > > 4. You will need to monitor how quickly the patch fades. > > 5. Avoid soaking in hot tubs or baths for 24 hours, as the chlorine or bromine in the water will cause the iodine to patch to come off. > > 6. Note on the form below how soon after application the iodine patch has disappeared. > > > > > John Garbarini <johnlg_2000> wrote: > Yes, which channel does it affect? > JOhn Garbarini > > --- heylaurag <heylaurag@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering > > where on the upper > > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell > > me a channel? > > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab > > test at one > > point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , > > Anne Crowley > > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Laura: > > > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a > > natropath once > > who > > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on > > a patch size of a > > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at > > night and it should > > be the > > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but > > it did help > > raise my > > > body temperature. He had me take underarm > > temperatures before even > > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with > > whatever else I'm > > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one > > of these mega > > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with > > Armour---I've written > > about > > > > this before, but this time I am specifically > > hoping to hear from > > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year > > ago I took a > > homeopathic > > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an > > hour, and was soon > > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know > > that seems hard to > > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good > > things come with > > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). > > Anyway, since > > then I > > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. > > Most of the time > > things > > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney > > yang tonics did > > NOT > > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, > > and su zi were > > what > > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those > > herbs is very, very > > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing > > cold again. > > Since I > > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am > > thinking I better > > throw > > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. > > But the question > > is, > > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are > > believable > > arguments > > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any > > experience > > anyone? > > > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that > > they slowly build > > up > > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts > > down. I tried > > Armour > > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't > > stand it. So > > starting > > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am > > hoping to get > > pregnant > > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does > > it take to get > > to a > > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl > > inside your > > kitchen oven? > > > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel > > free to write to me > > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: > > heylaurag@h... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Laura > > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Anne: Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4. The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges. For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning and the TSH range is still 5.50 From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels. Brian Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. Anne heylaurag wrote: > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > point? > > Thanks, > > Laura > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > Laura: > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > who > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > be the > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > raise my > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Anne > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > about > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > homeopathic > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > then I > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > things > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > NOT > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > what > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > Since I > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > throw > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > is, > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > arguments > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > anyone? > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > up > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > Armour > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > starting > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > pregnant > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > to a > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > kitchen oven? > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Laura http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or nutritional MD would be best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see someone who would use it. Anne Brian Hardy wrote: > Anne: > > Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most > MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4. > > The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, > although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know > this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges. > > For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning > and the TSH range is still 5.50 > > >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything > higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels. > > Brian > > Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: > > He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a > spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when > I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the > iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad > cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. > > Anne > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > > point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Laura: > > > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > > who > > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > > be the > > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > > raise my > > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > > about > > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > > homeopathic > > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > > then I > > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > > things > > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > > NOT > > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > > what > > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > > Since I > > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > > throw > > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > > is, > > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > > arguments > > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > > anyone? > > > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > > up > > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > > Armour > > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > > starting > > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > > pregnant > > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > > to a > > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > > kitchen oven? > > > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 It depends on what approach you want to take when treating your condition. You can use nutrition as a medical approach where you use a specific blend of nutrients known to affect thyroid function and monitor yourself or you can do more of an in-depth treatment using a functional medicine approach. This involves testing the adrenals, the amino acids, iodine level, etc. In my opinion this is the best approach because you are correcting the underlying problems. The other approach is more like a medical approach. I recommend doing the free T3 and free T4 tests to determine which thyroid medication to take, Armour is a combination of T3 and T4, Synthroid is T4 and Cytomel is T3. Using Armour is using more of a combination approach of using both, but this doesn't always insure its the best for the condition. Brian Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see someone who would use it. Anne Brian Hardy wrote: > Anne: > > Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most > MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4. > > The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, > although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know > this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges. > > For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning > and the TSH range is still 5.50 > > >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything > higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels. > > Brian > > Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: > > He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a > spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when > I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the > iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad > cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. > > Anne > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > > point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Laura: > > > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > > who > > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > > be the > > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > > raise my > > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > > about > > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > > homeopathic > > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > > then I > > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > > things > > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > > NOT > > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > > what > > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > > Since I > > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > > throw > > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > > is, > > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > > arguments > > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > > anyone? > > > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > > up > > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > > Armour > > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > > starting > > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > > pregnant > > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > > to a > > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > > kitchen oven? > > > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 I believe this was changed in 2002 Brian Endocrinologists Say TSH Normal Range is Now 0.3 to 3 New Guidelines Say Millions More Are at Thyroid Risk According to the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), what was normal last year, thyroid-wise, may now be abnormal. According to the AACE, doctors have typically been basing their diagnoses on the " normal " range for the TSH test. The typical normal levels at most laboratories has fallen in the 0.5 to 5.0 range. The new guidelines narrow the range for acceptable thyroid function, and the AACE is now encouraging doctors to consider thyroid treatment for patients who test the target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.04, a far narrower range. AACE believes the new range will result in proper diagnosis for millions of Americans who suffer from a mild thyroid disorder, but have gone untreated until now. The new target TSH level according to AACE is now 0.3 to 3.04 At a press conference, Hossein Gharib, MD, FACE, and president of AACE, said: " This means that there are more people with minor thyroid abnormalities than previously perceived. " AACE estimates that the new guidelines actually double the number of people who have abnormal thyroid function, bringing the total to as many as 27 million, up from 13 million thought to have the condition under the old guidelines. These new estimates would make thyroid disease the most common endocrine disorder in North America, far outpacing diabetes. As many as 27 million people have thyroid problems under the new guidelines AACE made the decision to narrow the range because of data suggesting many people may have low-level thyroid problems that could be improved with treatment and a narrower TSH range will give doctors reason to more carefully consider those patients. " The prevalence of undiagnosed thyroid disease in the United States is shockingly high - particularly since it is a condition that is easy to diagnose and treat, " said Dr. Gharib. " The new TSH range from the AACE guidelines gives physicians the information they need to diagnose mild thyroid disease before it can lead to more serious effects on a patient's health - such as elevated cholesterol, heart disease, osteoporosis, infertility, and depression. " Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see someone who would use it. Anne Brian Hardy wrote: > Anne: > > Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most > MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4. > > The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, > although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know > this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges. > > For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning > and the TSH range is still 5.50 > > >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything > higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels. > > Brian > > Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: > > He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a > spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when > I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the > iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad > cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. > > Anne > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > > point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Laura: > > > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > > who > > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > > be the > > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > > raise my > > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > > about > > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > > homeopathic > > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > > then I > > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > > things > > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > > NOT > > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > > what > > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > > Since I > > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > > throw > > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > > is, > > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > > arguments > > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > > anyone? > > > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > > up > > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > > Armour > > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > > starting > > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > > pregnant > > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > > to a > > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > > kitchen oven? > > > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Anne: Let me know if there is anything else that I can do for you. Brian Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see someone who would use it. Anne Brian Hardy wrote: > Anne: > > Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most > MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4. > > The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, > although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know > this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges. > > For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning > and the TSH range is still 5.50 > > >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything > higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels. > > Brian > > Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: > > He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a > spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when > I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the > iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad > cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer. > > Anne > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper > > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel? > > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one > > point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Laura > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > Laura: > > > > > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once > > who > > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a > > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should > > be the > > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help > > raise my > > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even > > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm > > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega > > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > heylaurag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written > > about > > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from > > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a > > homeopathic > > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon > > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to > > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with > > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since > > then I > > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time > > things > > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did > > NOT > > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were > > what > > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very > > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. > > Since I > > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better > > throw > > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question > > is, > > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable > > arguments > > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience > > anyone? > > > > > > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build > > up > > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried > > Armour > > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So > > starting > > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get > > pregnant > > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get > > to a > > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your > > kitchen oven? > > > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me > > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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