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Laura,

 

Couple of comments about your post there is an up/down regulating pathway w/ the

adrenals,Insulin, thyroid and steriod hormones. Elevated levels of progesterone

or estrogen can repress TSH or t3 conversion. Elevated cortisol levels have a

similiar effect on the thyroid. Chronic stress either physical or emotional

effects insulin receptor sites which then effects t3 conversion. Many times

women are misdx w/ thyroid issues when in fact it is issues w/ the adrenals,

insulin or elevated estrogen levels.

 

As you are considering getting pregnant, I would be curious about these values.

Saliva hormonal panels are an easy way to determine if the values are in/out of

range. Converting this bio med info to a useful cm tx protocol requires a

traditional formula approach coupled w/ herbal pharmacological approach.

 

Warren

>

> " heylaurag " <heylaurag

> 2004/12/09 Thu AM 04:29:30 EST

>

> Armour experience

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Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written about

this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a homeopathic

remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since then I

have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time things

have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did NOT

work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were what

worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. Since I

am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better throw

in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question is,

which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable arguments

on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience anyone?

 

The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build up

the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried Armour

briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So starting

in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get pregnant

soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get to a

point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your kitchen oven?

 

Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag

 

Thanks,

 

Laura

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Laura:

 

I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once who

recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should be the

same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help raise my

body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Anne

 

heylaurag wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written about

> this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a homeopathic

> remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since then I

> have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time things

> have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did NOT

> work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were what

> worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again. Since I

> am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better throw

> in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question is,

> which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable arguments

> on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience anyone?

>

> The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build up

> the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried Armour

> briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So starting

> in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get pregnant

> soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get to a

> point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your kitchen oven?

>

> Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura

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Hi Warren,

 

Thanks so much for the response. What you are saying makes a lot of

sense to me, but I wonder where I could find a like-minded doctor?

Would a naturopath be able to test for these kinds of things?

 

By the way, the herbs I mentioned that helped were not the only herbs

in the formula, but they were the kinds of additions that seem to

make a difference.

 

Laura

 

 

, <wcargal9@b...> wrote:

>

> Laura,

>

> Couple of comments about your post there is an up/down regulating

pathway w/ the adrenals,Insulin, thyroid and steriod hormones.

Elevated levels of progesterone or estrogen can repress TSH or t3

conversion. Elevated cortisol levels have a similiar effect on the

thyroid. Chronic stress either physical or emotional effects insulin

receptor sites which then effects t3 conversion. Many times women are

misdx w/ thyroid issues when in fact it is issues w/ the adrenals,

insulin or elevated estrogen levels.

>

> As you are considering getting pregnant, I would be curious about

these values. Saliva hormonal panels are an easy way to determine if

the values are in/out of range. Converting this bio med info to a

useful cm tx protocol requires a traditional formula approach coupled

w/ herbal pharmacological approach.

>

> Warren

> >

> > " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...>

> > 2004/12/09 Thu AM 04:29:30 EST

> >

> > Armour experience

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

point?

 

Thanks,

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

<blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

>

> Laura:

>

> I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

who

> recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

be the

> same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

raise my

> body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Anne

>

> heylaurag wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

about

> > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

homeopathic

> > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

then I

> > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

things

> > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

NOT

> > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

what

> > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

Since I

> > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

throw

> > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

is,

> > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

arguments

> > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

anyone?

> >

> > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

up

> > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

Armour

> > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

starting

> > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

pregnant

> > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

to a

> > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

kitchen oven?

> >

> > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

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Hmmm, I wonder where i could find a pharmacy like that? I talked to

an endocrinologist who said the other problem with Armour is that the

T3's and T4's are not in the right proportion to each other---there's

too much T3 and not enough T4. He felt that virtually everyone on

thyroid medication needed the addition of T3's by taking Cytomel (not

sure I spelled that right)---and that was why some people feel better

on Armour than synthetic meds (because Armour has T3 and synthetic

ones are just T4), but that its even better to use synthetic with the

addition of cytomel. Of course, with my natural health

sensibilities, I am not torn because there are good arguments on both

sides.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem

with armour is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is

solved by sustain release which you will have to get from special

pharmacies

>

>

>

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Laura,

 

We use diagnos tech to run our saliva hormone test (diagnostechs.com) and as a

practioner they will interpret the test for you. Also many endrocinologist use

the test so if you are working w/ one on your thyroid, discuss it w/ her.

 

Warren

>

> " heylaurag " <heylaurag

> 2004/12/09 Thu PM 08:32:06 EST

>

> Re: Armour experience

>

>

 

 

 

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Yes, which channel does it affect?

JOhn Garbarini

 

--- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering

> where on the upper

> leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell

> me a channel?

> Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab

> test at one

> point?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura

>

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> Anne Crowley

> <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Laura:

> >

> > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a

> natropath once

> who

> > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on

> a patch size of a

> > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at

> night and it should

> be the

> > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but

> it did help

> raise my

> > body temperature. He had me take underarm

> temperatures before even

> > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with

> whatever else I'm

> > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one

> of these mega

> > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Anne

> >

> > heylaurag wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with

> Armour---I've written

> about

> > > this before, but this time I am specifically

> hoping to hear from

> > > people who have been on Armour. About a year

> ago I took a

> homeopathic

> > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an

> hour, and was soon

> > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know

> that seems hard to

> > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good

> things come with

> > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised).

> Anyway, since

> then I

> > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs.

> Most of the time

> things

> > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney

> yang tonics did

> NOT

> > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren,

> and su zi were

> what

> > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those

> herbs is very, very

> > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing

> cold again.

> Since I

> > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am

> thinking I better

> throw

> > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication.

> But the question

> is,

> > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are

> believable

> arguments

> > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any

> experience

> anyone?

> > >

> > > The other question I have is this: I know that

> they slowly build

> up

> > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts

> down. I tried

> Armour

> > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't

> stand it. So

> starting

> > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am

> hoping to get

> pregnant

> > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does

> it take to get

> to a

> > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl

> inside your

> kitchen oven?

> > >

> > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel

> free to write to me

> > > directly if you prefer...my email is:

> heylaurag@h...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Laura

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He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

 

Anne

 

heylaurag wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> point?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Laura:

> >

> > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> who

> > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> be the

> > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> raise my

> > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Anne

> >

> > heylaurag wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> about

> > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> homeopathic

> > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> then I

> > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> things

> > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> NOT

> > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> what

> > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> Since I

> > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> throw

> > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> is,

> > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> arguments

> > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> anyone?

> > >

> > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> up

> > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> Armour

> > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> starting

> > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> pregnant

> > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> to a

> > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> kitchen oven?

> > >

> > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Laura

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Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem with armour

is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is solved by sustain release

which you will have to get from special pharmacies

 

 

 

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John:

 

The location on the leg is has nothing to do with meridians from my knowledge,

you can use the upper thigh or abdomen. This is only for testing purposes. Below

is the test information and procedure.

 

I might mention its best not to test when you are exercising due to the fact

this will increase the metablolic rate and the iodine will disappear quicker, or

you can do 2 tests with and without exercising.

 

After doing the test, write down the time it took for the iodine patch to fade.

The patch should remain for 24 hours. If the patch remains for 24 hours or

longer there is no iodine deficiency. If the patch disappears within 24 hours,

there is an iodine deficiency. The faster the patch disappears, the greater the

deficiency.

 

You will need to purchase a good quality iodine supplement. The one that I h ave

found to be the best is from a company called BioTech. The product is called

ALGA kelp. It contains 225 mcg of iodine per capsule. You can purchase it thru

www.emersonecologics.com. You will need to set up a professional account with

them to purchase.

 

Once you are taking the supplement, test yourself every few weeks with the

iodine patch test to see your improvement. You also want to make sure you are

not taking too much iodine. A recent article in a medical journal taked about

some of the problems with pregnant females and iodine deficiency and the impact

upon the mother and fetus.

 

Also, for a thyroid condition you should do an amino acid analysis and look at

tyrosine. This is the main amino acid with hypothyroid. Also remember that when

the body is under stress it uses tyrosine also.

 

When I work up a patient with hypothyroid, I generally do the TSH, free T3, free

T4, amino acid analysis, adrenalcortical stress, Barnes test and the iodine

test.

 

Hope this helps...

 

Brian N. Hardy, DC, MS, LAc, DACBN, CCN

 

 

 

IODINE PATCH TEST

 

Name:___ Date:_____________________

 

The Iodine Patch Test is an excellent test for assessing for iodine deficiency.

Despite

 

the fortification of our salt and food with iodine many people are iodine

deficient. Iodine

 

is essential for the proper synthesis of thyroid hormone in the body.

Unfortunately iodine

 

deficiency is widespread because of the prevalence of chemicals such as

chlorine,

 

bromine and fluoride in our environment and water supply. These chemicals will

quickly

 

deplete iodine from the body and interfere with iodine metabolism leading to a

number

 

of problems including hypothyroidism, lowered vitality, cognitive dysfunction,

lowered

 

immunity, and obesity. The iodine patch test is an easy method of assessing your

iodine

 

levels.

 

Instructions:

 

1. You will use the bottle of topical iodine supplied by your physician or in

the test kit. Remember this is to be used topically and not orally.

 

2. Paint the skin of the inside of your forearm or abdomen with a 2 inch square

patch of 2% iodine solution, being careful not to get the solution on your

clothes as it will stain. Note the time you put the iodine onto the skin on the

form below.

 

3. Air dry the patch before putting clothes on.

 

4. You will need to monitor how quickly the patch fades.

 

5. Avoid soaking in hot tubs or baths for 24 hours, as the chlorine or bromine

in the water will cause the iodine to patch to come off.

 

6. Note on the form below how soon after application the iodine patch has

disappeared.

 

 

 

 

John Garbarini <johnlg_2000 wrote:

Yes, which channel does it affect?

JOhn Garbarini

 

--- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering

> where on the upper

> leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell

> me a channel?

> Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab

> test at one

> point?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura

>

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> Anne Crowley

> <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Laura:

> >

> > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a

> natropath once

> who

> > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on

> a patch size of a

> > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at

> night and it should

> be the

> > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but

> it did help

> raise my

> > body temperature. He had me take underarm

> temperatures before even

> > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with

> whatever else I'm

> > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one

> of these mega

> > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Anne

> >

> > heylaurag wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with

> Armour---I've written

> about

> > > this before, but this time I am specifically

> hoping to hear from

> > > people who have been on Armour. About a year

> ago I took a

> homeopathic

> > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an

> hour, and was soon

> > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know

> that seems hard to

> > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good

> things come with

> > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised).

> Anyway, since

> then I

> > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs.

> Most of the time

> things

> > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney

> yang tonics did

> NOT

> > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren,

> and su zi were

> what

> > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those

> herbs is very, very

> > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing

> cold again.

> Since I

> > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am

> thinking I better

> throw

> > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication.

> But the question

> is,

> > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are

> believable

> arguments

> > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any

> experience

> anyone?

> > >

> > > The other question I have is this: I know that

> they slowly build

> up

> > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts

> down. I tried

> Armour

> > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't

> stand it. So

> starting

> > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am

> hoping to get

> pregnant

> > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does

> it take to get

> to a

> > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl

> inside your

> kitchen oven?

> > >

> > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel

> free to write to me

> > > directly if you prefer...my email is:

> heylaurag@h...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Laura

 

 

 

 

 

 

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accordingly.

 

If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being

delivered.

 

 

 

 

 

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Laura:

 

Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4 assay

to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3 is the

active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to supplement your

diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion of T4 to T3. One of

the main cofactors is selenium.

Brian

 

heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:

 

 

Hmmm, I wonder where i could find a pharmacy like that? I talked to

an endocrinologist who said the other problem with Armour is that the

T3's and T4's are not in the right proportion to each other---there's

too much T3 and not enough T4. He felt that virtually everyone on

thyroid medication needed the addition of T3's by taking Cytomel (not

sure I spelled that right)---and that was why some people feel better

on Armour than synthetic meds (because Armour has T3 and synthetic

ones are just T4), but that its even better to use synthetic with the

addition of cytomel. Of course, with my natural health

sensibilities, I am not torn because there are good arguments on both

sides.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Armour is great if you can get it as sustained release. The problem

with armour is the short 1/2 life which leads to swings. This is

solved by sustain release which you will have to get from special

pharmacies

>

>

>

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Brian,

Where do you practice and do you have a website?

You can contact me offline. Thanks

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

>Brian Hardy <mischievous00

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Armour Experience

>Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:22:13 -0800 (PST)

>

>Laura:

>

>Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4

>assay to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3

>is the active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to

>supplement your diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion

>of T4 to T3. One of the main cofactors is selenium.

>Brian

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To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are

Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition...

 

Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA

Chiropractic Physician

Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture

Kent, CT

www.docaltmed.com

 

 

" Life expands and contracts in proportion to one's courage. " -- Anais Nin

-

" Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus

<Chinese Medicine >

Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM

Re: Armour Experience

 

> Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs

> like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that

> would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or

> nutritional MD would be best

>

>

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Chiropractors are prescribing Armour?

 

 

-

" Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins

<Chinese Medicine >

Friday, December 10, 2004 2:02 PM

Re: Armour Experience

 

 

>

>

> To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are

> Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition...

>

> Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA

> Chiropractic Physician

> Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture

> Kent, CT

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> Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM

> Re: Armour Experience

>

>> Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs

>> like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that

>> would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or

>> nutritional MD would be best

>>

>>

 

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I am also a Diplomate of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition, however I

believe it depends on the state and licensing boards as to what you can do. I

practiced in Studio City, CA for approx. 14 years before relocating to Utah.

 

As far as I know my license doesn't allow me to prescribe either in both of

these states. If you know that I am able to prescribe in these states having the

diplomate I would appreciate your input.

 

In Studio City, I shared an office with an MD, who would prescribe armour for my

patients that needed it. He wasn't knowlegable about it but trusted me and my

education and experience.

 

Brian

 

 

 

 

" Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins wrote:

 

To that list, I might also add doctors -- of any stripe -- who are

Diplomates of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition...

 

Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA

Chiropractic Physician

Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture

Kent, CT

www.docaltmed.com

 

 

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Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:19 AM

Re: Armour Experience

 

> Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs

> like armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that

> would look at all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or

> nutritional MD would be best

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mike:

 

I recently relocated from Studio City, CA to Southern Utah, approx. 110 miles

northeast of

las vegas. I will be starting my practice sometime between April and June '05

depending if I go to China for a month.

 

I still work with a few of my patients via email. I have an account setup with

labcorp for all my blood work and other accounts with other labs that I use for

different testing.

 

My web site is: http://bodyfocus.chiroweb.com

 

I would like to change the provider for my web site, if you have any suugestions

I would appreciate it.

 

Brian

 

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

Brian,

Where do you practice and do you have a website?

You can contact me offline. Thanks

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

>Brian Hardy <mischievous00

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>Re: Armour Experience

>Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:22:13 -0800 (PST)

>

>Laura:

>

>Prior to being treated with T3 or T4, you need to do a free T3 and Free T4

>assay to see what the numbers are. Everyone is different. Remember that T3

>is the active portion compared to T4. If you are low in T3 you need to

>supplement your diet with some of the cofactors that help in the conversion

>of T4 to T3. One of the main cofactors is selenium.

>Brian

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

Matsumoto uses reactiveness on pressure pain on Kid 2, Lu 10 and St 9 to

suggest an imbalance in thyroid. Rx is to Kid 2 and Lu 10 points plus some

ren pts for excess and to the Du channel for deficiency... buy her book or

attend her lectures for details.

 

You might also want to look at Chong mai which in medical acup (Helms) is

considered to be the endocrine axis to the body.

 

If you go into kinesiology, one of their protocol systems you can use acup

to control levels of I think just about all hormones.

 

If you are using unfermented soy products and maybe just soy in general it

has a tendency to jeopardise the thyroid. Soy is hard to avoid these days.

 

 

heylaurag [heylaurag]

Saturday, 11 December 2004 6:45 AM

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Re: Armour Experience

 

 

 

Hi Brian,

 

 

Thanks for the info. I hope you don't mind me writing to you

personally, but I'd rather not share everything about myself on the

board!

 

Do you find that you can usually avoid having the patient take Armour

or synthetic thyroid? I " ve taken tyrosine and it definitely improved

my energy, temp. and sleep, but I think that I got irritable....I seem

to have symptoms of both hyper and hypo thyroid. Apparently that's

not uncommon---an endocrinologist told me that it is common, and that

the bottom line is that I have a crummy thyroid. In fact, I did take

the thyroid hormone Armour for a little while and became HYPER thyroid

on a very small dose.

 

Another odd thing is that although many people need to take their

thyroid hormone in the morning or it can cause insomnia, I would take

it right before bed and it helped me sleep. This is consistent with

what I've seen though---I tend to have a deficient type of insomnia

and the only formula that has ever worked for it is Shi Quan Da Bu WAn

(a very warm qi and blood tonic). But it seems to make me feel

agitated if I take it regularly--perhaps I become a bit hyperthyroid.

 

Thanks for your time and anything you can share.

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Brian Hardy

<mischievous00> wrote:

>

> John:

>

> The location on the leg is has nothing to do with meridians from my

knowledge, you can use the upper thigh or abdomen. This is only for

testing purposes. Below is the test information and procedure.

>

> I might mention its best not to test when you are exercising due to

the fact this will increase the metablolic rate and the iodine will

disappear quicker, or you can do 2 tests with and without exercising.

>

> After doing the test, write down the time it took for the iodine

patch to fade. The patch should remain for 24 hours. If the patch

remains for 24 hours or longer there is no iodine deficiency. If the

patch disappears within 24 hours, there is an iodine deficiency. The

faster the patch disappears, the greater the deficiency.

>

> You will need to purchase a good quality iodine supplement. The one

that I h ave found to be the best is from a company called BioTech.

The product is called ALGA kelp. It contains 225 mcg of iodine per

capsule. You can purchase it thru www.emersonecologics.com. You will

need to set up a professional account with them to purchase.

>

> Once you are taking the supplement, test yourself every few weeks

with the iodine patch test to see your improvement. You also want to

make sure you are not taking too much iodine. A recent article in a

medical journal taked about some of the problems with pregnant females

and iodine deficiency and the impact upon the mother and fetus.

>

> Also, for a thyroid condition you should do an amino acid analysis

and look at tyrosine. This is the main amino acid with hypothyroid.

Also remember that when the body is under stress it uses tyrosine also.

>

> When I work up a patient with hypothyroid, I generally do the TSH,

free T3, free T4, amino acid analysis, adrenalcortical stress, Barnes

test and the iodine test.

>

> Hope this helps...

>

> Brian N. Hardy, DC, MS, LAc, DACBN, CCN

>

>

>

> IODINE PATCH TEST

>

> Name:___ Date:_____________________

>

> The Iodine Patch Test is an excellent test for assessing for iodine

deficiency. Despite

>

> the fortification of our salt and food with iodine many people are

iodine deficient. Iodine

>

> is essential for the proper synthesis of thyroid hormone in the

body. Unfortunately iodine

>

> deficiency is widespread because of the prevalence of chemicals such

as chlorine,

>

> bromine and fluoride in our environment and water supply. These

chemicals will quickly

>

> deplete iodine from the body and interfere with iodine metabolism

leading to a number

>

> of problems including hypothyroidism, lowered vitality, cognitive

dysfunction, lowered

>

> immunity, and obesity. The iodine patch test is an easy method of

assessing your iodine

>

> levels.

>

> Instructions:

>

> 1. You will use the bottle of topical iodine supplied by your

physician or in the test kit. Remember this is to be used topically

and not orally.

>

> 2. Paint the skin of the inside of your forearm or abdomen with a 2

inch square patch of 2% iodine solution, being careful not to get the

solution on your clothes as it will stain. Note the time you put the

iodine onto the skin on the form below.

>

> 3. Air dry the patch before putting clothes on.

>

> 4. You will need to monitor how quickly the patch fades.

>

> 5. Avoid soaking in hot tubs or baths for 24 hours, as the chlorine

or bromine in the water will cause the iodine to patch to come off.

>

> 6. Note on the form below how soon after application the iodine

patch has disappeared.

>

>

>

>

> John Garbarini <johnlg_2000> wrote:

> Yes, which channel does it affect?

> JOhn Garbarini

>

> --- heylaurag <heylaurag@h...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering

> > where on the upper

> > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell

> > me a channel?

> > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab

> > test at one

> > point?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine ,

> > Anne Crowley

> > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Laura:

> > >

> > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a

> > natropath once

> > who

> > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on

> > a patch size of a

> > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at

> > night and it should

> > be the

> > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but

> > it did help

> > raise my

> > > body temperature. He had me take underarm

> > temperatures before even

> > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with

> > whatever else I'm

> > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one

> > of these mega

> > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > > heylaurag wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with

> > Armour---I've written

> > about

> > > > this before, but this time I am specifically

> > hoping to hear from

> > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year

> > ago I took a

> > homeopathic

> > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an

> > hour, and was soon

> > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know

> > that seems hard to

> > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good

> > things come with

> > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised).

> > Anyway, since

> > then I

> > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs.

> > Most of the time

> > things

> > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney

> > yang tonics did

> > NOT

> > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren,

> > and su zi were

> > what

> > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those

> > herbs is very, very

> > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing

> > cold again.

> > Since I

> > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am

> > thinking I better

> > throw

> > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication.

> > But the question

> > is,

> > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are

> > believable

> > arguments

> > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any

> > experience

> > anyone?

> > > >

> > > > The other question I have is this: I know that

> > they slowly build

> > up

> > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts

> > down. I tried

> > Armour

> > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't

> > stand it. So

> > starting

> > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am

> > hoping to get

> > pregnant

> > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does

> > it take to get

> > to a

> > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl

> > inside your

> > kitchen oven?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel

> > free to write to me

> > > > directly if you prefer...my email is:

> > heylaurag@h...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Laura

>

>

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Anne:

 

Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most MD's are

not testing the free T3 and free T4.

 

The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago, although most

MD's that are not reading the journals will not know this and the labs are still

reporting the higher ranges.

 

For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning and the TSH

range is still 5.50

 

From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything higher the

pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels.

 

Brian

 

Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

 

He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

 

Anne

 

heylaurag wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> point?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Laura:

> >

> > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> who

> > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> be the

> > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> raise my

> > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Anne

> >

> > heylaurag wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> about

> > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> homeopathic

> > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> then I

> > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> things

> > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> NOT

> > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> what

> > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> Since I

> > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> throw

> > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> is,

> > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> arguments

> > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> anyone?

> > >

> > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> up

> > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> Armour

> > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> starting

> > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> pregnant

> > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> to a

> > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> kitchen oven?

> > >

> > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Laura

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Most endocrinologist do not like armour. Most nutritional oriented MDs like

armour and can use it well. It is a good idea to see somebody that would look at

all your hormones, they are interrelated. A good ND or nutritional MD would be

best

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one

who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too

high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did

at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm

hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see

someone who would use it.

 

Anne

 

Brian Hardy wrote:

 

> Anne:

>

> Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most

> MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4.

>

> The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago,

> although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know

> this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges.

>

> For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning

> and the TSH range is still 5.50

>

> >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything

> higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels.

>

> Brian

>

> Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

>

> He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

> spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

> I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

> iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

> cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

>

> Anne

>

> heylaurag wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> > point?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Laura:

> > >

> > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> > who

> > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> > be the

> > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> > raise my

> > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > > heylaurag wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> > about

> > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> > homeopathic

> > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> > then I

> > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> > things

> > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> > NOT

> > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> > what

> > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> > Since I

> > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> > throw

> > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> > is,

> > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> > arguments

> > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> > anyone?

> > > >

> > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> > up

> > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> > Armour

> > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> > starting

> > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> > pregnant

> > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> > to a

> > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> > kitchen oven?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Laura

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It depends on what approach you want to take when treating your condition. You

can use nutrition as a medical approach where you use a specific blend of

nutrients known to affect thyroid function and monitor yourself or you can do

more of an in-depth treatment using a functional medicine approach. This

involves testing the adrenals, the amino acids, iodine level, etc. In my opinion

this is the best approach because you are correcting the underlying problems.

The other approach is more like a medical approach.

 

I recommend doing the free T3 and free T4 tests to determine which thyroid

medication to take, Armour is a combination of T3 and T4, Synthroid is T4 and

Cytomel is T3.

 

Using Armour is using more of a combination approach of using both, but this

doesn't always insure its the best for the condition.

 

Brian

 

Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

 

Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one

who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too

high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did

at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm

hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see

someone who would use it.

 

Anne

 

Brian Hardy wrote:

 

> Anne:

>

> Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most

> MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4.

>

> The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago,

> although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know

> this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges.

>

> For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning

> and the TSH range is still 5.50

>

> >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything

> higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels.

>

> Brian

>

> Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

>

> He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

> spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

> I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

> iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

> cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

>

> Anne

>

> heylaurag wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> > point?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Laura:

> > >

> > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> > who

> > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> > be the

> > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> > raise my

> > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > > heylaurag wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> > about

> > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> > homeopathic

> > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> > then I

> > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> > things

> > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> > NOT

> > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> > what

> > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> > Since I

> > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> > throw

> > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> > is,

> > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> > arguments

> > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> > anyone?

> > > >

> > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> > up

> > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> > Armour

> > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> > starting

> > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> > pregnant

> > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> > to a

> > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> > kitchen oven?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Laura

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I believe this was changed in 2002

 

Brian

 

 

 

Endocrinologists Say TSH Normal Range is Now 0.3 to 3

 

 

 

New Guidelines Say Millions More Are at Thyroid Risk

 

According to the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), what

was normal last year, thyroid-wise, may now be abnormal.

 

According to the AACE, doctors have typically been basing their diagnoses on the

" normal " range for the TSH test. The typical normal levels at most laboratories

has fallen in the 0.5 to 5.0 range.

 

The new guidelines narrow the range for acceptable thyroid function, and the

AACE is now encouraging doctors to consider thyroid treatment for patients who

test the target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.04, a far narrower range. AACE believes

the new range will result in proper diagnosis for millions of Americans who

suffer from a mild thyroid disorder, but have gone untreated until now.

 

 

 

 

The new target TSH level according to AACE is now 0.3 to 3.04

 

 

 

 

At a press conference, Hossein Gharib, MD, FACE, and president of AACE, said:

" This means that there are more people with minor thyroid abnormalities than

previously perceived. "

 

AACE estimates that the new guidelines actually double the number of people who

have abnormal thyroid function, bringing the total to as many as 27 million, up

from 13 million thought to have the condition under the old guidelines. These

new estimates would make thyroid disease the most common endocrine disorder in

North America, far outpacing diabetes.

 

 

 

 

As many as 27 million people have thyroid problems under the new guidelines

 

 

 

AACE made the decision to narrow the range because of data suggesting many

people may have low-level thyroid problems that could be improved with treatment

and a narrower TSH range will give doctors reason to more carefully consider

those patients.

 

" The prevalence of undiagnosed thyroid disease in the United States is

shockingly high - particularly since it is a condition that is easy to diagnose

and treat, " said Dr. Gharib. " The new TSH range from the AACE guidelines gives

physicians the information they need to diagnose mild thyroid disease before it

can lead to more serious effects on a patient's health - such as elevated

cholesterol, heart disease, osteoporosis, infertility, and depression. "

 

 

 

 

Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one

who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too

high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did

at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm

hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see

someone who would use it.

 

Anne

 

Brian Hardy wrote:

 

> Anne:

>

> Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most

> MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4.

>

> The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago,

> although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know

> this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges.

>

> For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning

> and the TSH range is still 5.50

>

> >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything

> higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels.

>

> Brian

>

> Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

>

> He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

> spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

> I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

> iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

> cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

>

> Anne

>

> heylaurag wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> > point?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Laura:

> > >

> > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> > who

> > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> > be the

> > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> > raise my

> > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > > heylaurag wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> > about

> > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> > homeopathic

> > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> > then I

> > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> > things

> > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> > NOT

> > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> > what

> > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> > Since I

> > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> > throw

> > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> > is,

> > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> > arguments

> > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> > anyone?

> > > >

> > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> > up

> > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> > Armour

> > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> > starting

> > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> > pregnant

> > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> > to a

> > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> > kitchen oven?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Laura

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Anne:

 

Let me know if there is anything else that I can do for you.

Brian

 

Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

 

Thanks, Brian; If I have these run again and show this to the MD, one

who I know is more open minded, what do you suggest if they are too

high. I do think I have a tendancy toward high cholesterol also - did

at the time of the test. What do you recommend for thyroid. I'm

hearing this talk of Armour but probably would have to travel to see

someone who would use it.

 

Anne

 

Brian Hardy wrote:

 

> Anne:

>

> Chances are, you cannot rely on the blood tests that were done. Most

> MD's are not testing the free T3 and free T4.

>

> The TSH range has dropped form 5.0 down to 3.0 a few years ago,

> although most MD's that are not reading the journals will not know

> this and the labs are still reporting the higher ranges.

>

> For example, I just received a pt. report form labcorp this morning

> and the TSH range is still 5.50

>

> >From a healthy perpective I like to see the TSH below 2.0. Anything

> higher the pt. has a higher chance of increased cholesterol levels.

>

> Brian

>

> Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote:

>

> He assumed thyroid was low due to low basil temperature. I just chose a

> spot on the upper thigh and alternate spots. No the Western tests when

> I finally took one, proved the thyroid to be okay. I had been using the

> iodine before that. I think I took the tests because I was in for a bad

> cold that winter. Started the iodine in the summer.

>

> Anne

>

> heylaurag wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Anne, Thanks for the response. I'm wondering where on the upper

> > leg you are suppose to put the iodine? Can you tell me a channel?

> > Were you told that your thyroid was low from a lab test at one

> > point?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Laura

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley

> > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Laura:

> > >

> > > I don't know anything about Armour. I did go to a natropath once

> > who

> > > recommended I use iodine at the top of my leg, on a patch size of a

> > > quarter, silver dollar. Put the iodine on at night and it should

> > be the

> > > same color 24 hrs. later. It never was for me but it did help

> > raise my

> > > body temperature. He had me take underarm temperatures before even

> > > getting out of bed. Mine is better now just with whatever else I'm

> > > doing - nutrition is very important. I take one of these mega

> > > antioxidants that you can't get over the counter.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > > heylaurag wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I am writing seeking experiences with Armour---I've written

> > about

> > > > this before, but this time I am specifically hoping to hear from

> > > > people who have been on Armour. About a year ago I took a

> > homeopathic

> > > > remedy and became remarkably cold within an hour, and was soon

> > > > diagnosed with Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I know that seems hard to

> > > > believe, but its true (in my opinion all good things come with

> > > > potential risks though, so I'm not surprised). Anyway, since

> > then I

> > > > have tried to manage it with Chinese herbs. Most of the time

> > things

> > > > have seemed manageable (and, by the way, kidney yang tonics did

> > NOT

> > > > work...herbs like sheng jiang, bai bu, xing ren, and su zi were

> > what

> > > > worked---but balancing my yin xu with those herbs is very, very

> > > > tricky), but now that its December I am freezing cold again.

> > Since I

> > > > am hoping to get pregnant sometime soon I am thinking I better

> > throw

> > > > in the towel and take the thyroid medication. But the question

> > is,

> > > > which to take? Synthetic or Armour? There are believable

> > arguments

> > > > on both sides, but who should I listen to? Any experience

> > anyone?

> > > >

> > > > The other question I have is this: I know that they slowly build

> > up

> > > > the medication while your thyroid slowly shuts down. I tried

> > Armour

> > > > briefly last year and I was so cold I couldn't stand it. So

> > starting

> > > > in December sounds like torture, but since I am hoping to get

> > pregnant

> > > > soon I am anxious to get started. How long does it take to get

> > to a

> > > > point where you are no longer wanting to crawl inside your

> > kitchen oven?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a bunch for any and all replies. Feel free to write to me

> > > > directly if you prefer...my email is: heylaurag@h...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Laura

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