Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Yes, I bought mine in China and they don't come in sterilised packs. So how did you sterilise them? Attilio Doc [Doc] 19 October 2004 23:12 Chinese Medicine RE: Fire Needles and Needle Moxa Sadly I use my Yuan Li needles on one patient and then dispose of them. Luckily on my last visit to the PRC i was able to buy 1,000 of them for only $.12 ea. instead of the $1 that they cost here in the US. Doc Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote: I'm a little worried about the sterilisation of fire needles. In China they are autoclaved, but they don't arrive in pre-sterilised packs or can be effectively sterilised in the West. How do you sterilise your fire needles Doc or do you just use them once? Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I have use of a Cold -gas - Autoclave Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote:Yes, I bought mine in China and they don't come in sterilised packs. So how did you sterilise them? Attilio vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 The only time I have used fire needles, long ago in another land, is when a myotendinous release is required. The shoulder " ceased " in the SI tract is case in point. The triggers are on the channel's tract, and can be felts as indurations which move side to side but not linearly. A particularly sized, sterile needle is heated, and with the arm abducted and rotated just so to the anterior and at 90 degree, and supported by a helper, is worked on. When metal is " red hot " it is brought to bear on the trigger and barely to touch it, and puncture to no more than maybe 0.1 mm into the site. If done well there is little or no pain, the area being indurated and relatively insensitive. One would have thought the sensory fibrils on skin would bypass this and register pain, but by and large these don't. When arm falls free, adhesion and stagnation are released and the pain in shoulder, and stiffness, ameliorated entirely, or to a significant degree. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " homi kaikobad " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > > A particularly sized, sterile needle is heated, and with the arm abducted > and > rotated just so to the anterior and at 90 degree, and supported by a > helper, is worked on. > > When metal is " red hot " it is brought to bear on the trigger and barely to > touch it, and puncture to no more than maybe 0.1 mm into the site. > i do something similar when i tx channel sinews but i use direct moxibustion with channel stretching and sotai. you can also use a tiger warmer but i think direct moxa is more effective (more difficult though, unless you have a helper -- ahh the days when i had interns). kuahara sensei uses an awl heated in an alcohol lamp, and taps along the channel sinew (proximal direction). rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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