I need an opinion: raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible...

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible

and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with

Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and

join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find

out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if

not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

 

I do not support any of these main stream charities. They don't promote

wellness period. Many patients with MS suffer with Vitamin D deficiencies.

As far as I know, the MS Society does not encourage people to be tested for

vitamin/mineral deficiencies. Do they even promote eating a healthy diet?

I refuse to support charities that promotes only pharmaceuticals.

 

Irene

 

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Deborah <gubertush wrote:

 

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

> terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was

> diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of

> the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the

> doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon

> which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3

> million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot

> more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe

> working hard to fund raise for the National MS Society might not be such a

> smart idea. The fact is they promote steroids and other types of

> conventional meds... and I'm suddenly realizing that maybe its silly of me

> to put my money towards an organization that doesn't really line up with my

> values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to

> fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some

> research and find out if the MS Society supports research on natural

> medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

> appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah,

I am sorry to hear about your Mom.

Yes, I do think you should go, start talking/researching and bring up the idea

of more natural ways for the cure..you can start something big and necessary.

The best to you..

Namaste

Cathy

 

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Deborah <gubertush wrote:

 

 

Deborah <gubertush

I need an opinion: raised us to believe that

antibiotics are terrible...

 

Monday, January 4, 2010, 9:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are terrible

and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed with

Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise and

join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and find

out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and if

not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Deborah, I've had ms since 1979 and haven't taken any of the interferon drugs I

think you refer to. There are promising studies that the ms societies have

finally agreed to help fund. UBC here in Canada, Buffalo and Stanford are all

researching CCSVI (chronic cerebral spinal venous insufficiency) after Dr

Zamboni's 'Liberation Treatment' was

announced.

 

The basic premise is that people with ms have venous blockages that prevent

blood from flowing from the brain back to the heart. So the formation of

lesions on the brain. If the theory holds true, big Pharmco loses, as the

treatment consists of opening the blockages with stents or balloon angioplasty.

 

Just google CCSVI and you'll get lots of information. And thank you for all

you've done for us

 

Cait

-

Deborah

Monday, January 04, 2010 9:29 PM

I need an opinion: raised us to believe that

antibiotics are terrible...

 

 

 

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Deborah,

 

I wouldn't participate at all. I don't want anything to do with organizations

that promote drugs, animal testing and so on. I no even take aspirins, but I

totally rely on herbs, nutrition, natural therapies, the principles of life and

health.

 

Your mother was wise.

 

Happy new year,

 

Rena

 

-

Deborah

Monday, January 04, 2010 9:29 PM

I need an opinion: raised us to believe that

antibiotics are terrible...

 

 

 

Hi Everyone,

So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

 

After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

 

So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

 

Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

 

thanks so much for reading -

Deborah L.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Deborah,

 

Sai Ram. That is a greeting, a mantra and a blessing to you. I know a friend

here in my city, who was diagnosed with MS and was 'cured' through prayer (she

too is a Christian by the way).

 

I too was at one time given a provisional diagnosis of MS but by God's grace,

Reiki etc. I was given a clean chit in the next test and my symptoms too

improved without medicines.

 

B-Vitamins and nerve tonics (herbal, ayurvedic, homeopathic etc.) help a lot.

 

I don't think the mainstream societies believe in all this since for them

scientific evidence is needed for every thing. And they prefer to spend money on

developing more sophisticated poisons over time.

 

Blessings

 

Swamy

Reiki Master

Spiritual Healer

Hyderabad, India

 

, " Deborah " <gubertush wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry about your mother.

 

There may be exceptions, but those conventional research organizations are just

that: conventional. I don't remember ever hearing of one that looks at any

" cure " other than patented products from the pharmaceutical companies. And, ever

notice they don't cure anything? They sure rake in loads of money, though, on

the sympathies of people who want to feel like they're " doing something " to

help. I had something of a hump to struggle over in deciding to not do anything

to " help " enrich those pharma co's. There's quite a gap to cross there between

the fantasy of " finding a cure " and the money-making-on-all-sides. It sends you

in two different directions.

 

, " Deborah " <gubertush wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

 

I think it's great that you've reached out to ask this very important question.

I'm totally on your Mom's side with this one. I would not support this

organization since they reject the very things that are helping people with MS.

They are looking for a pharmaceutical cure, not a healing of the body.

 

I've seen a number of people live symptom-free with MS. There seems to be a

combination of causes--some are more important for some people than others but

typically all must be addressed. A big one is mercury poisoning and another is

that the upper cervical area is out of alignment.

 

So what can work? Magnets which increase circulation and bring healing

nutrients to affected areas, good chiropractic and/or cranio-sacral work, proper

nutrition (many need the detoxing benefits of a raw vegan diet for a while to

rid the body of chemicals that are stored in fat), certain nutrients (should be

individually tested--don't just believe what you read in the internet--everyone

has different needs and those needs change regularly too) especially those that

feed the nerves and lots of amino acids to rebuild healthy tissues. That's just

a few. I'm sure there are more. I'd also test for Lyme disease which could be

a factor as well.

 

What we really need is more crusaders in the natural health world to make these

things known. I used to work for a holistic MD. I remember her getting one

patient out of a wheelchair. This was not done with drugs but with homeopathy.

She said steroids should NEVER be used for anything! They cause more harm than

good.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.detoxqueen.com

 

, " Deborah " <gubertush wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah:

I try to keep an open mind. The one thing I know for sure - because I

personally know scientists working through funding by the society - is that all

of them are focused and very dedicated to doing what they think is best in

finding treatments and cures. So the thing we wrestle with is that their

approach may not be what WE think is the best approach.

The society as a whole funds all sorts of research, from mainstream to novel

ideas. Another acquaintance of mine was one of the first to work on the merits

of honey bee venom, which at the time was practically heresy, but the Society

funded him anyway.

Medicines and other drugs and (potentially nasty chemicals) are just part of

the vast harvest of potential things - including natural substances - that MUST

be researched in order to attack MS. Not doing so is a diservice to those in

need and cannot do the research for themselves.

So I humbly suggest that to turn your back on one of the few societies that

spend almost every penny of every dollar on non-administrative costs, would be

misguidedly wrong.

Just my opinion.

Mar

 

, " Deborah " <gubertush wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]

You need to investigate low dose naltrexone. Please see

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org. I've been on it for 3 years.

 

, " Deborah " <gubertush wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics are

terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was diagnosed

with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any of the medicines

available at that time, understanding that whatever meds the doctors would give

her, might help one symptom but cause many more..

>

> After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS Walkathon which

is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise over 3 million bucks

etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have learned a lot more about natural

remedies, and it occurred to me the other day that maybe working hard to fund

raise for the National MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is

they promote steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an organization

that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

>

> So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to fundraise

and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do some research and

find out if the MS Society supports research on natural medicine as well - and

if not, should i not participate?

>

> Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would really

appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

>

> thanks so much for reading -

> Deborah L.

>

[Guest guest]

I do believe that antibiotics have a place in this world just not first

place. I have successfully used astragulas for an abscessed tooth. It

took longer than the antibiotics would have but it worked none the

less. I believe the real problem is our immunes system inability to

work properly. We don't build up the immunities we should. People are

not eating the right foods to stay healthy. It really is a mixture of

everything. I will continue to use all my natural methods to manage my

diabetics, fibromyalgia, arthritis, and everything else. I will try to

eat only healthy foods, ( i am a chocoholic), but if push comes to shove

I will augment my natural stuff with stuff my doctor recommends if I

feel it is needed. I am very fortunate because my doc believes in

alternative methods and has often given me old fashioned methods for a

number of things, and they worked great. He also has a complete list of

everything I use at home.

 

With that being said I do also believe that antibiotics and other

prescription meds are over used. This causes many problems for us.

Bacteria become immune, we become resistant to them also. It really is

a double edged sword. I will always look for a natural way first, but

if necessary will go to the more traditional approach with meds.

>

>

>

>

> <%40>, " Deborah "

> <gubertush wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics

> are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she

> was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to

> take any of the medicines available at that time, understanding that

> whatever meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but

> cause many more..

> >

> > After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS

> Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they

> raise over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i

> have learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me

> the other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National

> MS Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote

> steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

> realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an

> organization that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

> >

> > So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to

> fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do

> some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on

> natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate?

> >

> > Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would

> really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

> >

> > thanks so much for reading -

> > Deborah L.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb.

 

MY opinion? 1st off, I am NOT putting down the MS Society BUT:

 

After all these years, I wonder myself what real research in the

ALTERNATIVE areas are they doing? I spent over an hour on their website

and the big thing they're talking about is Stem Cell work. Ok fine. That

has promise as a preventitive measure but it SEEMS that all the other

monies are being spent on either pharmacopia items or other things as a

form of MAINTINENCE for patients that already have it & not as a way to

prevent it.

 

Of course I will get all kinds of emails saying that I am wrong but

again, there wasn't anything there I found that would be considered

ALTERNATIVE forms of treatment. Here, just take all these pills.

 

Of course, and this is just ME; when a Dr. says " Here, take this pill " I

wonder & ask " why a PILL and not something more homeopathic? " WHO stands

to make money off of me popping some pill? And don't think for a minute

that the Dr's don't make money or some other perk from saying what pill

you should take.

 

As for the walks to fundraise? What does your gut say? The best thing I

can advise is do alot more research and not necessarly on the offical MS

site and follow your gut. I don't want to say DON " T do the walk but if

it were me?, I would be channeling my time in another

direction................but again that's just ME. I'm a non-conformist

!!!

 

Paul

 

 

, " marlaprendergast "

<kws11 wrote:

>

> You need to investigate low dose naltrexone. Please see

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org. I've been on it for 3 years.

>

> , " Deborah " gubertush@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > So heres the story. My mother raised us to believe that antibiotics

are terrible and natural remedies are the ONLY remedies. So when she was

diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in the 80's - she refused to take any

of the medicines available at that time, understanding that whatever

meds the doctors would give her, might help one symptom but cause many

more..

> >

> > After she passed away in 2002, I started joining the annual MS

Walkathon which is the National MS Society's huge fundraiser (they raise

over 3 million bucks etc etc...) Anyways, in the last 2 years i have

learned a lot more about natural remedies, and it occurred to me the

other day that maybe working hard to fund raise for the National MS

Society might not be such a smart idea. The fact is they promote

steroids and other types of conventional meds... and I'm suddenly

realizing that maybe its silly of me to put my money towards an

organization that doesn't really line up with my values on health.

> >

> > So my quandary really is, what would you do? Would you continue to

fundraise and join in the walkathon each year ? would you suggest I do

some research and find out if the MS Society supports research on

natural medicine as well - and if not, should i not participate?

> >

> > Anyone who is interested in giving me their 2 cents on this, i would

really appreciate it because im trying to figure out what i should do.

> >

> > thanks so much for reading -

> > Deborah L.

> >

>