Obama explains elimination of private insurance

August 6, 2009

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-\

will-eliminate-private-insurance/

August 6, 2009

Nice try! Comments are taken out of context to try to make your point. If

you are going to post something, why not try to make it truthful - stop

spreading lies. This type of post has no business on this forum. It's

strictly political!

Irene

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM, SD <darby700 wrote:

>

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-\

will-eliminate-private-insurance/

>

August 6, 2009

Thank you for your message... VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maria

________________________________

SD <darby700

Brett A. <baseballbrett27; Adam Ryan <topjock_1stbase;

Adam T. Andrews <varsityhockey; Tim Breyer <breyertim; Tim

Darby <timdarby74; Tim McGuffin <timm_mcguffin; Todd

<tcychowski

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:34:11 PM

Obama explains elimination of private insurance

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-\

will-eliminate-private-insurance/

August 6, 2009

Interesting how multiple interviews and speeches were spliced together to make

this video.

I'm all for universal health care and NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES.The

insurance companies make huge profits at the expense of innocent people. Proof

by the fact that they are spending millions to lobby against a health care bill.

They are publicly traded on the stock market. If a company works for profit, the

$$$$ is the biggest motivator, not the interest of the consumers(patients). I

think that this is a TOTAL conflict of interest.

The French health care system is the best in the world and it is government

run. Maybe we should take their system and copy what ACTAULLY works best for all

of the citizens of a country. I'm willing to pay a health care tax instead of an

insurance premium. No problem.

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Maria Radion <maria.radion wrote:

Maria Radion <maria.radion

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:13 PM

Thank you for your message... VERY INTERESTING! !!!!!!!!! !!

Maria

____________ _________ _________ __

SD <darby700 >

Brett A. <baseballbrett27@ >; Adam Ryan <topjock_1stbase@

>; Adam T. Andrews <varsityhockey@ gmail.com>; Tim Breyer

<breyertim (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Tim Darby <timdarby74 >; Tim McGuffin

<timm_mcguffin@ >; Todd <tcychowski >

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:34:11 PM

Obama explains elimination of private insurance

http://www.breitbar t.tv/uncovered- video-obama- explains- how-his-health-

care-plan- will-eliminate- private-insuranc e/

August 6, 2009

I wish I had the same experience as the French when I grew up with socialized

medicine in Austria. I love my HMSA health care here in America and am

receiving much better care than I had received with the socialized medicine in

Austria.

I sincerely hope if universal health care is implemented here in America that it

is not the meager care I endured while growing up with socialized medicine.

Thank you.

________________________________

Alison Bliss <naturalhealthmom

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:11:55 PM

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Interesting how multiple interviews and speeches were spliced together to make

this video.

I'm all for universal health care and NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES.The

insurance companies make huge profits at the expense of innocent people. Proof

by the fact that they are spending millions to lobby against a health care bill.

They are publicly traded on the stock market. If a company works for profit, the

$$$$ is the biggest motivator, not the interest of the consumers(patients) . I

think that this is a TOTAL conflict of interest.

The French health care system is the best in the world and it is government

run. Maybe we should take their system and copy what ACTAULLY works best for all

of the citizens of a country. I'm willing to pay a health care tax instead of an

insurance premium. No problem.

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Maria Radion <maria.radion@ > wrote:

Maria Radion <maria.radion@ >

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:13 PM

Thank you for your message... VERY INTERESTING! !!!!!!!!! !!

Maria

____________ _________ _________ __

SD <darby700 >

Brett A. <baseballbrett27@ >; Adam Ryan <topjock_1stbase@

>; Adam T. Andrews <varsityhockey@ gmail.com>; Tim Breyer

<breyertim (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Tim Darby <timdarby74>; Tim McGuffin

<timm_mcguffin@ >; Todd <tcychowski>

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:34:11 PM

Obama explains elimination of private insurance

http://www.breitbar t.tv/uncovered- video-obama- explains- how-his-health-

care-plan- will-eliminate- private-insuranc e/

August 6, 2009

Thank you Irene. Big Insurance and Big Pharma and the AMA are all huge

contributors to the Republican congress, and while they give " lip

service " to " reforming the health situation, it's just that! At the

same time, they are spending billions trying to confuse the people on

the issues.

Let's look at some facts:

1. If as the Republicans keep saying, the government can't run anything

efficiently, what do the insurance companies have to fear? We already

have socialized medicine for government persons and the VA. Would you

believe that the " management costs " of the VA are down well under 4%,

while Big Insurance

costs are 25-30%. I'm a veteran that gets socialized medical care, and

I love it.

The same for government run Medicare and Social Security, and I remember

the Tennessee Valley Authority. The Govt built it and ran it with the

cheapest electricity in the US, and making a big profit. Then

Republicans got into office, and they broke it up and sold it to their

friends and contributors. Guess what? It's not nearly as cheap now!!

2. Some of the ads have " dire stories " about how the Canadians hate

their medical system. LOf course, this is skewed along with a lot of

other information. If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your

system? " You'll probably get

a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " . I know as I've asked this question of

over 100 Canadians, and many Europeans. Ask the right question.

3. The outright lies used are ridiculous. The one about how the

government is going to somehow use your answers on the simple Living

Will to kill you as you get older. Anyone for Soylent Green? All that

portion of some bills does is allow you to question a MD about it, and

the government pays the MD for his time.

4. In a fairly secret poll taken of MD's around the country, it seems

that a majority of them are actually in favor of socialized medicine,

against the heads of the AMA. They're sick of the mismanagement of

patient care by insurance companies, and the huge cost of malpractice

insurance today.

5. BTW, I disagree with you Irene in that this is a subject for this

and every other group dealing with any aspect of health. Thanks to the

web we can get truth if we look for it.

--

Phil Bate PhD

http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice

Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve

mental problems without drugs at low cost.

ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more.

August 6, 2009

Phil,

I can admit I'm wrong as others need to know the truth. I've been on other

groups lately which bans the truth. They are only interested in spreading

the lies. Glad to read your message. I wish others would do more research

into the actual proposals instead of believing in all this false information

that is spreading on the internet like wild fires.

Irene

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Dr Bate <drbate wrote:

> Thank you Irene. Big Insurance and Big Pharma and the AMA are all huge

> contributors to the Republican congress, and while they give " lip

> service " to " reforming the health situation, it's just that! At the

> same time, they are spending billions trying to confuse the people on

> the issues.

>

> Let's look at some facts:

>

> 1. If as the Republicans keep saying, the government can't run anything

> efficiently, what do the insurance companies have to fear? We already

> have socialized medicine for government persons and the VA. Would you

> believe that the " management costs " of the VA are down well under 4%,

> while Big Insurance

> costs are 25-30%. I'm a veteran that gets socialized medical care, and

> I love it.

>

> The same for government run Medicare and Social Security, and I remember

> the Tennessee Valley Authority. The Govt built it and ran it with the

> cheapest electricity in the US, and making a big profit. Then

> Republicans got into office, and they broke it up and sold it to their

> friends and contributors. Guess what? It's not nearly as cheap now!!

>

> 2. Some of the ads have " dire stories " about how the Canadians hate

> their medical system. LOf course, this is skewed along with a lot of

> other information. If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your

> system? " You'll probably get

> a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

>

> However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

> question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

> answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " . I know as I've asked this question of

> over 100 Canadians, and many Europeans. Ask the right question.

>

> 3. The outright lies used are ridiculous. The one about how the

> government is going to somehow use your answers on the simple Living

> Will to kill you as you get older. Anyone for Soylent Green? All that

> portion of some bills does is allow you to question a MD about it, and

> the government pays the MD for his time.

>

> 4. In a fairly secret poll taken of MD's around the country, it seems

> that a majority of them are actually in favor of socialized medicine,

> against the heads of the AMA. They're sick of the mismanagement of

> patient care by insurance companies, and the huge cost of malpractice

> insurance today.

>

> 5. BTW, I disagree with you Irene in that this is a subject for this

> and every other group dealing with any aspect of health. Thanks to the

> web we can get truth if we look for it.

>

> --

> Phil Bate PhD

> http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice

>

> Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve

> mental problems without drugs at low cost.

> ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more.

>

August 6, 2009

Dr. Bate wrote:

If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your system? " You'll probably get

a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " .

AMEN! I try to stay away from the allopaths for all the usual reasons, but it

sure is nice to know that the system

is there when you need it. Having a baby and breaking an ankle are stress-free

events from a financial point of view.

Is the system perfect? Of course not.

I personally don't see what would be so bad about a two-tiered system, with the

basics covered by the universal

system and speedier, fancier treatment possible if you pay. We have a

multi-tiered society, where money buys a

better deal in general. The reason there is such a hue and cry every time a

province allows for instance a private

eye clinic, is the fear that this is the cutting edge of an effort to undo our

Medicare and replace it with the

nightmare to the South. I have never yet met a Canadian who wants that.

The issue of health freedom, access to supplements and herbs, is something else

again.

I am getting very worried about that one, and more determined than ever to aim

for

self-sufficiency in that regard.

Ien in the Kootenays, with a freezer full of ellagic acid and phyto nutrients

AKA raspberries, heading

back to the Echinacea patch.

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

make your garden pay!

http://freeplants.info

August 7, 2009

What does this have to do with alternative answers? I didn't sign up for this

group for a political debate!

________________________________

Ieneke van Houten <ienvan

Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:49:16 PM

Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Dr. Bate wrote:

If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your system? " You'll probably get

a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " .

AMEN! I try to stay away from the allopaths for all the usual reasons, but it

sure is nice to know that the system

is there when you need it. Having a baby and breaking an ankle are stress-free

events from a financial point of view.

Is the system perfect? Of course not.

I personally don't see what would be so bad about a two-tiered system, with the

basics covered by the universal

system and speedier, fancier treatment possible if you pay. We have a

multi-tiered society, where money buys a

better deal in general. The reason there is such a hue and cry every time a

province allows for instance a private

eye clinic, is the fear that this is the cutting edge of an effort to undo our

Medicare and replace it with the

nightmare to the South. I have never yet met a Canadian who wants that.

The issue of health freedom, access to supplements and herbs, is something else

again.

I am getting very worried about that one, and more determined than ever to aim

for

self-sufficiency in that regard.

Ien in the Kootenays, with a freezer full of ellagic acid and phyto nutrients

AKA raspberries, heading

back to the Echinacea patch.

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

make your garden pay!

http://freeplants. info

August 7, 2009

I'm in Australia and while we don't have socialized medicine, we have a

pretty good system. We have health insurance if you want to go to a private

hospital but you don't have to be insured to use the public hospitals. I

have a minimal health policy which costs me about $60.00 a month. I had a

motor vehicle accident a few years ago and broke my arm rather badly. I

received the ambulance trip to emergency for an overnight stay, two

admissions for surgery to set the bone, numerous specialist visits, x-rays,

etc and I paid nothing. The care I received was wonderful. The hospital

staff were fantastic. My arm is fine today. A little limited in twisting

at the wrist, but that's all. A recent knee injury meant several visits to

a doctor at a clinic, x-rays and 5 visits to physiotherapy. Again, I paid

nothing. The care received was top notch. The system isn't perfect, and

you sometimes have to find your way around it, but a poor old lady like me

can be assured of proper health care. I hear America is not like that.

Prescription medicines still cost too much here even though they are

subsidised by the Australian government. Pensioners get a bigger reduction

on medications. Luckily, I'm not on any of Big Pharma's drugs at the moment

so that doesn't affect me.

I say something has to be done about America's health system. It sounds to

me like it's killing people to make money.

Mary B.

from Oz

>^..^<

-

" Nia Von Toth " <nia113

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:47 PM

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

>I wish I had the same experience as the French when I grew up with

>socialized medicine in Austria. I love my HMSA health care here in America

>and am receiving much better care than I had received with the socialized

>medicine in Austria.

> I sincerely hope if universal health care is implemented here in America

> that it is not the meager care I endured while growing up with socialized

> medicine.

> Thank you.

>

> ________________________________

> Alison Bliss <naturalhealthmom

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:11:55 PM

> Re: Obama explains elimination of private

> insurance

>

> Interesting how multiple interviews and speeches were spliced together to

> make this video.

> I'm all for universal health care and NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES.The

> insurance companies make huge profits at the expense of innocent people.

> Proof by the fact that they are spending millions to lobby against a

> health care bill. They are publicly traded on the stock market. If a

> company works for profit, the $$$$ is the biggest motivator, not the

> interest of the consumers(patients) . I think that this is a TOTAL

> conflict of interest.

> The French health care system is the best in the world and it is

> government run. Maybe we should take their system and copy what ACTAULLY

> works best for all of the citizens of a country. I'm willing to pay a

> health care tax instead of an insurance premium. No problem.

>

> ---

August 7, 2009

Alternative medicine is part of a good health care system. I believe it is

totally relevant to the discussion. If a health care system is implemented that

includes all modes of health care and not just conventional Western medicine

then it would be more complete and benefit more people.

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Wayne Dea <deadigger wrote:

Wayne Dea <deadigger

Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:21 PM

What does this have to do with alternative answers? I didn't sign up for this

group for a political debate!

____________ _________ _________ __

Ieneke van Houten <ienvan (AT) nakusp (DOT) net>

Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:49:16 PM

Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Dr. Bate wrote:

If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your system? " You'll probably get

a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " .

AMEN! I try to stay away from the allopaths for all the usual reasons, but it

sure is nice to know that the system

is there when you need it. Having a baby and breaking an ankle are stress-free

events from a financial point of view.

Is the system perfect? Of course not.

I personally don't see what would be so bad about a two-tiered system, with the

basics covered by the universal

system and speedier, fancier treatment possible if you pay. We have a

multi-tiered society, where money buys a

better deal in general. The reason there is such a hue and cry every time a

province allows for instance a private

eye clinic, is the fear that this is the cutting edge of an effort to undo our

Medicare and replace it with the

nightmare to the South. I have never yet met a Canadian who wants that.

The issue of health freedom, access to supplements and herbs, is something else

again.

I am getting very worried about that one, and more determined than ever to aim

for

self-sufficiency in that regard.

Ien in the Kootenays, with a freezer full of ellagic acid and phyto nutrients

AKA raspberries, heading

back to the Echinacea patch.

http://freegreenliv ing.com (blog)

make your garden pay!

http://freeplants. info

August 7, 2009

I had terrible experiences with socialized medicine in Europe too and hope with

all my heart that Americans find out about al the lies before it is too late.

Maria

________________________________

Nia Von Toth <nia113

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:47:53 PM

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

I wish I had the same experience as the French when I grew up with socialized

medicine in Austria. I love my HMSA health care here in America and am

receiving much better care than I had received with the socialized medicine in

Austria.

I sincerely hope if universal health care is implemented here in America that it

is not the meager care I endured while growing up with socialized medicine.

Thank you.

____________ _________ _________ __

Alison Bliss <naturalhealthmom@ >

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:11:55 PM

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Interesting how multiple interviews and speeches were spliced together to make

this video.

I'm all for universal health care and NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES.The

insurance companies make huge profits at the expense of innocent people. Proof

by the fact that they are spending millions to lobby against a health care bill.

They are publicly traded on the stock market. If a company works for profit, the

$$$$ is the biggest motivator, not the interest of the consumers(patients) . I

think that this is a TOTAL conflict of interest.

The French health care system is the best in the world and it is government run.

Maybe we should take their system and copy what ACTAULLY works best for all of

the citizens of a country. I'm willing to pay a health care tax instead of an

insurance premium. No problem.

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Maria Radion <maria.radion@ > wrote:

Maria Radion <maria.radion@ >

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:13 PM

Thank you for your message... VERY INTERESTING! !!!!!!!!! !!

Maria

____________ _________ _________ __

SD <darby700 >

Brett A. <baseballbrett27@ >; Adam Ryan <topjock_1stbase@

>; Adam T. Andrews <varsityhockey@ gmail.com>; Tim Breyer

<breyertim (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Tim Darby <timdarby74>; Tim McGuffin

<timm_mcguffin@ >; Todd <tcychowski>

Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:34:11 PM

Obama explains elimination of private insurance

http://www.breitbar t.tv/uncovered- video-obama- explains- how-his-health-

care-plan- will-eliminate- private-insuranc e/

August 7, 2009

Dr. Bate,

Like you said....

As a Canadian I'm grateful for our health care system. In our current province

we pay a bit according to income for coverage. Needy and poor people don't pay.

I saw some pretty bad propaganda online against the Canadian system that was

highly inaccurate. My friend's very old mother (over 80) just got a new knee

that involved months of hospital and home care. Another friend has MS and she

has someone come in and help her at home. She's in a wheelchair. She loves it.

She's American but living here. My neighbor had a leg removed due to diabetes.

He was dying of cancer though too. No idea why they thought this man was worth

a $600000 operation when he was old and dying but he got it anyway. He passed

away a few months later.

Some unnecessary procedures are not covered and must be paid out of pocket.

What I'd really like to see is dental coverage included since most disease is

linked to dental health. In Germany a good portion is paid for by mandatory

insurance (lived there for a while).

Yes, at times there's a waiting list but if you had to pay for insurance you

could just as easily think--okay I've saved $400 (figure my US friend pays

monthly for basic insurance so not a totally random number) a month by not

having to pay insurance. I could use that money and travel somewhere to get my

operation. $400 x 12 months=$4800 a year. Over several years or a lifetime that

would cover any necessary travel costs if you wanted to travel to another

province with no waiting list or even to Thailand or India where the health care

is very cheap and reliable. Enjoy some sunshine and don't get rushed out of the

hospital as quickly.

In a perfect world junk food would be taxed and users would not be eligible for

anything but emergency accident care. Money would be used to teach mothers what

to eat before pregnancy and during. Breastfeeding from healthy mothers would

dramatically cut our health care costs by producing a new generation of healthy

people. I could write a whole book about this, LOL!

Just don't believe everything you see that's against government health care. At

least our people aren't dying in the streets or claiming bankruptcy because of

not being able to pay their medical bills.

I recently saw on a TV show (online--I don't watch TV normally), that people

with arthritis need to travel 5 hours to the nearest arthritis doc in

Newfoundland. Ironically the woman in question showed how hard it was for her

to lift a carton of milk from the fridge!!!! I'm sure everyone reading in the

forum knows that arthritis is aggravated by pasteurized dairy. Why doesn't the

clinic teach these people what to eat to stay well.

In that respect the system is a failure because they pay for preventable disease

and they also pay for vaccines.

I haven't delved into the American plan in too great depth but I do have to

wonder how a country that is so broke will be able to afford it.

There are pros and cons to everything and people need to read the bill rather

than believing what they see on TV.

Sharon

, Dr Bate <drbate wrote:

>

> Thank you Irene. Big Insurance and Big Pharma and the AMA are all huge

> contributors to the Republican congress, and while they give " lip

> service " to " reforming the health situation, it's just that! At the

> same time, they are spending billions trying to confuse the people on

> the issues.

>

> Let's look at some facts:

>

> 1. If as the Republicans keep saying, the government can't run anything

> efficiently, what do the insurance companies have to fear? We already

> have socialized medicine for government persons and the VA. Would you

> believe that the " management costs " of the VA are down well under 4%,

> while Big Insurance

> costs are 25-30%. I'm a veteran that gets socialized medical care, and

> I love it.

>

> The same for government run Medicare and Social Security, and I remember

> the Tennessee Valley Authority. The Govt built it and ran it with the

> cheapest electricity in the US, and making a big profit. Then

> Republicans got into office, and they broke it up and sold it to their

> friends and contributors. Guess what? It's not nearly as cheap now!!

>

> 2. Some of the ads have " dire stories " about how the Canadians hate

> their medical system. LOf course, this is skewed along with a lot of

> other information. If you ask a Canadian " How do you like your

> system? " You'll probably get

> a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.

>

> However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this

> question, " Would you like to switch to the US system instead? " The

> answer is a resounding " NO WAY! " . I know as I've asked this question of

> over 100 Canadians, and many Europeans. Ask the right question.

>

> 3. The outright lies used are ridiculous. The one about how the

> government is going to somehow use your answers on the simple Living

> Will to kill you as you get older. Anyone for Soylent Green? All that

> portion of some bills does is allow you to question a MD about it, and

> the government pays the MD for his time.

>

> 4. In a fairly secret poll taken of MD's around the country, it seems

> that a majority of them are actually in favor of socialized medicine,

> against the heads of the AMA. They're sick of the mismanagement of

> patient care by insurance companies, and the huge cost of malpractice

> insurance today.

>

> 5. BTW, I disagree with you Irene in that this is a subject for this

> and every other group dealing with any aspect of health. Thanks to the

> web we can get truth if we look for it.

>

> --

> Phil Bate PhD

> http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice

>

> Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve

> mental problems without drugs at low cost.

> ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more.

>

August 8, 2009

I agree. I'm finding this thread very interesting. It is is not

really debating, it is people sharing their experiences with

healthcare -- just as we share our experiences with alternative

health. Nice to hear from people and their experience from around

the world, instead of the same old rhetoric coming from people who

have not actually experienced other country's healthcare systems.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Alison Bliss wrote:

> Alternative medicine is part of a good health care system. I

> believe it is totally relevant to the discussion. If a health care

> system is implemented that includes all modes of health care and

> not just conventional Western medicine then it would be more

> complete and benefit more people.

>

> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Wayne Dea <deadigger wrote:

>

> Wayne Dea <deadigger

> Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of

> private insurance

>

> Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:21 PM

>

> What does this have to do with alternative answers? I didn't sign

> up for this group for a political debate!

>

August 8, 2009

I am also enjoying reading all of this. While I do not agree with some, it

gives all a chance to hear others opinions on the matter. As far as listening

to Obama, I don't. I think he is one of the worse out their. I do read the

actual bills, which EVERY American Citizen should do. I do not like socialized

care. And there is too much in the current bill that is just asking for

trouble. When I was in the Air Force, after my first visit to the Base ER, it

was so horrible, I started seeing a off base doctor. I do not believe the

government should be involved in our medical any more than they should be

involved in corporate America or spending trillions of dollars, we do not have.

I do think there should be a way to regulate the insurance companies, but I

think that should be done by a medical board, not the government. Under the new

plan I have had 2 friends already tell me that their doctors have informed them,

their meds would not be

covered. One of the persons meds cost $800 a month and the other person

$2,000. That is for 1 medicine each. The first is for a older person, not sure

her illness, the second is for a 22 male who has crones (not sure of spelling).

But to keep it regulated he needs a shot once a month, and it has been the only

thing that has been working the past couple of years.

As far as other countries and there socialized health care. I know someone in

Europe who has been waiting 5 years for heart surgery because of their

government. The government approved it, but it is up to them to also set when

the surgery will take place. He has been stuck in bed at home on machines,

because of the government. And I hear similar stories from others, even in

Canada. And this is exactly what I see happening here. You have to ask

yourselves, if it is such a good plan why are the senators, congressman and such

all being exempt from having to have it? If it is not good enough for them, who

we are paying there outrageous salaries, why should it be forced on us? Give us

the exact plan they have and I'll listen.

Just my opinion of it.

Blessings

Darla

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August 8, 2009

Well said..... AMEN.

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" Abrinaus .. " <abrinaus

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:42:09

Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

I am also enjoying reading all of this.Â While I do not agree with some, it

gives all a chance to hear others opinions on the matter.Â As far as listening

to Obama, I don't.Â I think he is one of the worse out their.Â I do read the

actual bills, which EVERY American Citizen should do.Â I do not like socialized

care.Â And there is too much in the current bill that is just asking for

trouble.Â When I was in the Air Force, after my first visit to the Base ER, it

was so horrible, I started seeing a off base doctor.Â I do not believe the

government should be involved in our medical any more than they should be

involved in corporate America or spending trillions of dollars, we do not

have.Â I do think there should be a way to regulate the insurance companies,

but I think that should be done by a medical board, not the government.Â Under

the new plan I have had 2 friends already tell me that their doctors have

informed them, their meds would not be

covered.Â One of the persons meds cost $800 a month and the other person

$2,000.Â That is for 1 medicine each.Â The first is for a older person, not

sure her illness, the second is for a 22 male who has crones (not sure of

spelling).Â But to keep it regulated he needs a shot once a month, and it has

been the only thing that has been working the past couple of years.Â

As far as other countries and there socialized health care.Â I know someone in

Europe who has been waiting 5 years for heart surgery because of their

government.Â The government approved it, but it is up to them to also set when

the surgery will take place.Â He has been stuck in bed at home on machines,

because of the government.Â And I hear similar stories from others, even in

Canada.Â And this is exactly what I see happening here.Â You have to ask

yourselves, if it is such a good plan why are the senators, congressman and such

all being exempt from having to have it?Â If it is not good enough for them,

who we are paying there outrageous salaries, why should it be forced on us?Â

Give us the exact plan they have and I'll listen. Â Â

Just my opinion of it.

Blessings

Â Â Â Darla

Energy Gemstone Jewelry and more

Tupperware for all of your storage needs

August 8, 2009

Well said, I agree whole-heartedly. There are important decisions to be made

and it's nice to hear of other countries experiences first-hand.

Laura

--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Priscilla Keeney <priscilla wrote:

Priscilla Keeney <priscilla

Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of private

insurance

Friday, August 7, 2009, 11:32 PM

I agree. I'm finding this thread very interesting. It is is not

really debating, it is people sharing their experiences with

healthcare -- just as we share our experiences with alternative

health. Nice to hear from people and their experience from around

the world, instead of the same old rhetoric coming from people who

have not actually experienced other country's healthcare systems.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Alison Bliss wrote:

> Alternative medicine is part of a good health care system. I

> believe it is totally relevant to the discussion. If a health care

> system is implemented that includes all modes of health care and

> not just conventional Western medicine then it would be more

> complete and benefit more people.

>

> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Wayne Dea <deadigger > wrote:

>

> Wayne Dea <deadigger >

> Re: Re: Obama explains elimination of

> private insurance

>

> Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:21 PM

>

> What does this have to do with alternative answers? I didn't sign

> up for this group for a political debate!

>

August 9, 2009

I whole-heartedly agree. If anyone is worried about the current wording

of bill, I am working with an advocacy group and can help enable you to

take action. It's ten minutes and totally free! We are looking for

advocates in IN, CO, NC, ME, NE, AR, and CT - some of the key swing

states. These are also the states where tons of money are being spent on

propaganda commercials to make ppl feel better about the bill. If you've

not read it yet, there are some troubling things.

If you have read it, and would like to make your voice heard, email me

off list. It would be a huge help to me.

Blessings,

Angela <><

August 9, 2009

I read somewhere that only 39% of Americans approve of the obama sick care

plan. I do not want the government telling me what meds I can/cannot have,

and when they want me to die!

Carol

August 9, 2009

When I had insurance, I was told all the time what medications I could

take. Many times I was refused tests my doctor wanted to perform. I am

uninsured now, and I have control over my health care. Maybe, we should do

away with insurance both private and government. Let all the people in this

country be equal when choosing health care. If you don't have the money to

pay for it upfront, you don't receive health care. It would save the

government a lot of money, people could make their own choices of what

medications they wanted (or could afford), plus they could decide when they

wanted to die if they had cancer, heart disease, etc. If they could not pay

for heart surgery, they could die. That's the choices I have to make, and I

manage to get by.

Irene

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Carol Minnick <carol wrote:

> I read somewhere that only 39% of Americans approve of the obama sick care

> plan. I do not want the government telling me what meds I can/cannot

> have,

> and when they want me to die!

>

> Carol

>

August 9, 2009

Spoken like someone who has not faced Cancer or Heart Disease, etc. How

many people have you watched die or suffer because they could not afford the

treatment or medications? They didn't choose to get sick they wanted to

live. What about the innocent children with terminal illnesses I guess we

just let them suffer? I am glad you are independently wealthy; for the

rest of us insurance is necessary.

On Behalf Of Irene

Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:32 AM