Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 >>With WM, well I have no idea what are the principle's of WM >>medicine. They range any where from " kill the nasty bugs " (even I >>guess if the body is perfectly healthy and is filled with billions of >>nasties), to " if we can't fix it, then cut it out " , to " if you don't like how >>you look, we can build you a new body " . These words pertain not to western medicine in the fullest sense of the term, but to a medicine whose over-confidence in certain techniques lead it to occupy an extreme anti-historical scientism. The practice of dishonoring teachers narrows one's view. Likewise, the practice of dishonoring different traditions (whether WM doctors dismissing TCM or western TCM students -- and who in the US can claim more than studenthood in the Science of the Yellow Emperor? -- dismissing WM) leaves patients confused and unable to consolidate their medical options. China's careful re-examination of its own medical history in the light of modern techniques of observation and treatment should serve as a model to students of (any and all) medical practice in the US. Just as post cultural revolution Chinese modernists have had to acknowledge the wisdom of at least some traditional practices, so post Vietnam-era western orientalists will have to acknowledge not just the efficacy of at least some current medical practices but also come to accept the wisdom and potency of their own cultural legacy, locked away in the classical texts of the west. Maybe what makes Chinese doctors good at healing has less to do with ideology and more to do with selfless attention to detail, caution with respect to drawing conclusions, and openness to what at any given moment may restore balance. What is the meaning of deep roots and open branches? Carl Ploss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 I am sick of natural medicine enthusists simply putting western medicine down, yes it has major problems that need to be addressed. But you cannot say that any one medicine has all the answers, WM is very good at terating emergency situations e.g. car crash, it is also very specialized in treating structural problems with the body. It is obvious that TCM has many advantages, but we need to take all the strengths and and advantages from all the cultural medicines and try to remove the weaknesses. I agree that to only use the limit of one medicine would be ludicris, thats like expecting the whole world all to follow the thinking of one man's opinion only. The major problem with WM is in the attitude (or thinking mode " non linear " )you cannot find the answer by only looking for one single cause and you do not solve the problem when aim to kill treat the sickness rather than improve the health. What is needed is new medical laws that can govern how different medicines can work together. WM's current laws and ideas towards health and treatment are greatly out dated and in major need of a change. Regards Manu carl ploss <cploss wrote: >>With WM, well I have no idea what are the principle's of WM >>medicine. They range any where from " kill the nasty bugs " (even I >>guess if the body is perfectly healthy and is filled with billions of >>nasties), to " if we can't fix it, then cut it out " , to " if you don't like how >>you look, we can build you a new body " . These words pertain not to western medicine in the fullest sense of the term, but to a medicine whose over-confidence in certain techniques lead it to occupy an extreme anti-historical scientism. The practice of dishonoring teachers narrows one's view. Likewise, the practice of dishonoring different traditions (whether WM doctors dismissing TCM or western TCM students -- and who in the US can claim more than studenthood in the Science of the Yellow Emperor? -- dismissing WM) leaves patients confused and unable to consolidate their medical options. China's careful re-examination of its own medical history in the light of modern techniques of observation and treatment should serve as a model to students of (any and all) medical practice in the US. Just as post cultural revolution Chinese modernists have had to acknowledge the wisdom of at least some traditional practices, so post Vietnam-era western orientalists will have to acknowledge not just the efficacy of at least some current medical practices but also come to accept the wisdom and potency of their own cultural legacy, locked away in the classical texts of the west. Maybe what makes Chinese doctors good at healing has less to do with ideology and more to do with selfless attention to detail, caution with respect to drawing conclusions, and openness to what at any given moment may restore balance. What is the meaning of deep roots and open branches? Carl Ploss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 - " manu hamlin " <manuhamlin <Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:10 AM Re: Re: Integration of WM and TCM > > I am sick of natural medicine enthusists simply putting western medicine down Dr. J sez: I can't tell you how sick I am of western medicine enthusiasts putting natural medicine down. I know that this is a little off-topic for this list, but I can't resist. During the first 75 years of its existence, chiropractic doctors were jailed over 15,000 times due to anti-chiropractic campaigns organized by state medical societies and the AMA. The last chiropractor to be thrown in jail was in 1974, in Louisiana -- *after* the bill legislating the practice of chiropractic was passed. It wasn't until Federal Judge Susan Getzendammer found the AMA and other medical societies guilty of anti-trust violations that they stopped telling our patients that we are quacks. Then they just went underground, using fronts like NCAHF and other to continue trashing us. Yeah-- WM deserves all the criticism it gets. OK, sorry for the rant. Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT www.docaltmed.com " There is no meaning in life except the meaning that man gives his life by the unfolding of his powers. " --Erich Fromm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Hi Yeah it does deserve all the criticism it gets, however it does have it advantages, there are still plenty of caring people in the industry really want to help people. The problem is doctors have not got the knowledge, training and skills they need, moderm medicine is a mess of mass proportions. This is why I have been trying to promote this book I believe as do many that combining WM & TCM could solve meny of its problems. If you are passionate about this subject you should read the book " The end of medicine " this book states that in WM's short history it has killed more people than it has saved, medical misadventure is now the third biggest cause of death and injury in america. Yes we all know it has problems so let stop bitching and work on fixing it. Maybe unification is decades away but the sooner we start the better. Regards Manu " Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins wrote: - " manu hamlin " <manuhamlin <Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:10 AM Re: Re: Integration of WM and TCM > > I am sick of natural medicine enthusists simply putting western medicine down Dr. J sez: I can't tell you how sick I am of western medicine enthusiasts putting natural medicine down. I know that this is a little off-topic for this list, but I can't resist. During the first 75 years of its existence, chiropractic doctors were jailed over 15,000 times due to anti-chiropractic campaigns organized by state medical societies and the AMA. The last chiropractor to be thrown in jail was in 1974, in Louisiana -- *after* the bill legislating the practice of chiropractic was passed. It wasn't until Federal Judge Susan Getzendammer found the AMA and other medical societies guilty of anti-trust violations that they stopped telling our patients that we are quacks. Then they just went underground, using fronts like NCAHF and other to continue trashing us. Yeah-- WM deserves all the criticism it gets. OK, sorry for the rant. Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT www.docaltmed.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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