Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > hello jason > sort of, yes. I use apple juice, olive oil, hepdissolve > (my own formula) pink grapefruit juice and epsom salts > > stephen> > What is in the hepdissolve? I am curious why you think that those 300 'stones' were actuall gallstones? - > > > testing revealed the presence of > > > gall-stones, but for various reasons she was unable to do the > > > gall-stone flush immediately so I used acupuncture to give relief to > > > the sciatica, pending the gall-stone flush. Flush now completed, 300+ > > > stones passed and sciatica all gone > > > > > > > Are you referring to the olive oil flush? > > > > - > > -- > Stephen MacAllan > Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., > Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. > M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. > Acupuncturist, Herbalist, > Kosmed practitioner > Vega-tester > www.stephenmacallan.co.uk > www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk > powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Here's a web site that explains more about the Liver - Gallbladder flush. Brian http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp < wrote:--- In Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > hello jason > sort of, yes. I use apple juice, olive oil, hepdissolve > (my own formula) pink grapefruit juice and epsom salts > > stephen> > What is in the hepdissolve? I am curious why you think that those 300 'stones' were actuall gallstones? - > > > testing revealed the presence of > > > gall-stones, but for various reasons she was unable to do the > > > gall-stone flush immediately so I used acupuncture to give relief to > > > the sciatica, pending the gall-stone flush. Flush now completed, 300+ > > > stones passed and sciatica all gone > > > > > > > Are you referring to the olive oil flush? > > > > - > > -- > Stephen MacAllan > Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., > Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. > M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. > Acupuncturist, Herbalist, > Kosmed practitioner > Vega-tester > www.stephenmacallan.co.uk > www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk > powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 hi Jason, details in a book called The Amazing Liver Flush, I forget the author, and yes some stones are not actual gall stones. THe fact is stones are made and get stuck in the liver and sometimes get stuck in the gb too, they are composed of all sorts - minerals, fats , proteins, etc. My hepdissolve has gravel root, hydrangea, elecampagne, parsley, horsetail, dandelion, cornsilk as a base and I play about with other bits and pieces, as needed for individuals regardez stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Chinese Medicine , Brian Hardy <mischievous00> wrote: > Here's a web site that explains more about the Liver - Gallbladder flush. > Brian > > http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp Thank you for the link... I have to say that the Liver flushes, at least in my mind, create some bit of uncertainty. Sure, the flushes sound good on paper, and actually I have done 1 about 10 years ago and saw around 50-100 stones.. BUT, were these really stones? I don't think so. Around the same time (that I did the flush) I belonged to Paracelsus newsgroup with Mitch Stargrove, and we discussed this any many alternative therapies like ear candles. IT was made up by naturpaths, MD's, Acus etc. – It was a very educated group… (Do some of you remember?) Well these stones were tested and the results said that they were not at all gallstones. (I did think it was funny that at age 23 I had 50-100 stones????) – It was more a product of the Epson salts and olive oil making coagulated looking soap stones. Anyway this is why I ask… I have my doubts.. For proof: I would like to see ultrasounds of people that have stones, then do the flush and have a follow-up to see if they are gone. This could be done over 1 week so that other therapies and diet changes don't change. Also for more proof I would like some more testing on the stones… I am open to this flush idea, but at least in the past the evidence has not panned out. Finally, I think this is a major problem with alternative medicine and finally with internet resources. I don't believe everything I read and especially everything on the internet. I think stats are very tricky animals and internet sites are notorious for not only misinterpreting data but actually lying (wow, imagine that…) People put up websites to prove points, this is not objective data at that point… well enough of my rant, Just thought I would throw my 2 cents on the liver flush thing…Curious what others think about this - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 hello, jason, yes its me again. All the various flushing styles do produce stones some of which are not the classic gb stones. Stones are made in the liver and get stuck in the gb.... no, no... been thru this.. I have many patients who have had stones, some with medical confirmation and some not, and all, without exception report benefits in well-being>and health - improved breathing ( passing stones was the last step on an asthmatic I cured las t year) no pain, no wind, no bloating, less pain in knees, better quality stool (colour/texture etc), no headaches etc etc. Last xmas one of mmy patients had medical confirmation via ultrasound of NO STONES, whereupon she showed the doc a jam jar half full and confirmed absence of digestive symptoms - doc was speechless apparantly. And yes, yes I know this is all anecdotal, but I'll take anecdote, especially mine, over science any day (science said for years that HRT doesn't cause cancer and does prevent heart disease and osteoporosis, but look where we are now!! Science also said maggots on gangrene is a bad idea but........ leeches and blood-letting is absurd but....... anybody read the lancet? Thats 2 cents from me too regardez stephen > > Thank you for the link... I have to say that the Liver flushes, at > least in my mind, create some bit of uncertainty. Sure, the flushes > sound good on paper, and actually I have done 1 about 10 years ago and > saw around 50-100 stones.. BUT, were these really stones? I don't > think so. > Around the same time (that I did the flush) I belonged to Paracelsus > newsgroup with Mitch Stargrove, and we discussed this any many > alternative therapies like ear candles. IT was made up by naturpaths, > MD's, Acus etc. – It was a very educated group… (Do some of you > remember?) Well these stones were tested and the results said that > they were not at all gallstones. (I did think it was funny that at > age 23 I had 50-100 stones????) – It was more a product of the Epson > salts and olive oil making coagulated looking soap stones. > Anyway this is why I ask… I have my doubts.. For proof: I would like > to see ultrasounds of people that have stones, then do the flush and > have a follow-up to see if they are gone. This could be done over 1 > week so that other therapies and diet changes don't change. > Also for more proof I would like some more testing on the stones… I am > open to this flush idea, but at least in the past the evidence has not > panned out. > Finally, I think this is a major problem with alternative medicine and > finally with internet resources. I don't believe everything I read > and especially everything on the internet. I think stats are very > tricky animals and internet sites are notorious for not only > misinterpreting data but actually lying (wow, imagine that…) People > put up websites to prove points, this is not objective data at that point… > well enough of my rant, Just thought I would throw my 2 cents on the > liver flush thing…Curious what others think about this > > - > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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