Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Hi Z'ev, I would add to your issue with Big Pharm, the fact that surgical interventions for elective or not so elective procedures are getting what I would call industrialized. By that I mean that people are getting prophylactic surgeries to prevent prostate cancer, even lots of PSA testing and biopsy procedures. PSA is also a test to note that a boy has reached puberty. Kind of good to keep such information in perspective. Also in 1985 and again in 1998 major review articles have been published to show that radical mastectomy offered no benefit over lumpectomy and radiation in breast cancer treatment. However, these days some institutions are developing whole teams of surgeons to do radical mastectomies with then vascular surgeries followed by a team of resconstructive surgeons. The woman ends up with truly massive amounts of surgery and a prosthesis ... which perhaps looks great but also presents with so much that can go wrong. This is kind of a big money approach that I see entering WM ..... which is not to diminish the importance of advances in emergency medicine. Sadly though, many " hospitals " (think insurance medical facilities) can not refer out to other emergency medical facilities where a more appropriate expertise might be applied if lacking in the original facility. WM these days is really just another group of competing big businesses. I recommend getting around this issue by developing a friendship with a family practice physician who can order lab tests for patients. That friendly WM doc can draw the blood or even send the patient with a script right to the lab to get the blood drawn and the specified tests carried out. I do this for myself and my family all the time. Respectfully, Emmanuel Segmen - " " <zrosenbe <Chinese Medicine > Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:30 AM Re: Re: the dragons treatment The more powerful your arsenal, the more potential for potent positives and negatives. I agree with the previous statements about the high iatrogenesis of Western medicine, and the abuses in this mega-system are well documented. However, we need to put our money where our mouths are. We are a very young profession with many problems (both Chinese and alternative medicine), and simply cannot take over from Western medicine, especially in the areas of trauma and emergency medicine. We don't have the resources to save lives, and no one in their right mind would substitute anything for emergency WM care after a major auto accident. What worries me most about WM these days, especially in the U.S., is the advertising of powerful pharmaceutical drugs to the public on television and in the media, suggesting that consumers ask their doctors for these drugs. A major ethical divide has been opened here, one which I understand from my British friends here in San Diego has not been breached in Europe at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Oh gawd, I knew some one would want evidence> > > You have some really interesting stats in your posting. I was wondering > if you could provide me with some references for them, as I would like > to have that information to share with patient. > > > the medical community is now the leading cause of death in > > the USA, from a daily newspaper in uk, maybe The Guardian, in the last two weeks all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed > > etc to a greater or lesser degree. my experience, colleagues experience, Russian medics (re Kosmed) experience 75% of cancers worlwide are caused > > by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor > > the healthier you will be. A book published 2002 by the man who discovered/named uranium Only twice in recent times has the death > > rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the > > medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when > > the germans commandeered all medical supplies. WDDTY magazine In the UK in the > > mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital > > admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. Ivan Illich - medical journalist In 1996 a > > hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which > > showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease, > > the consultant in charge resigned her post. WDDTY again Breast screening is more > > likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium > > abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. WDDTY again Cervical > > smears are only 16% accurate. WDDTY again BMJ recently declared that blood tests > > are 50-90% accurate WDDTY again - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no > > better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned > > because too many women were getting cancer. Every uk newspaper And you ask me why I don't > > refer to medics!!! That's the best I can do from memory. I dont want to trawl through all my papers and dig up the exact refs, I am content with the info. If you're not, have a search on the internet _ WDDTY.com (what doctors don't tell you - impeccably referenced and researched info) Nexus magazine nexusmagazine.com good places to star regardez stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hi Stephen, It sounds like AE-destructive Qi is more like an event than anything else. That would substantiate the Autism case I suppose. Going back to an earlier question, have you ever heard or have any theories on why someone would have an extreme out of body experience after an ID treatment? I don't feel that my weekend 5E seminar places me anywhere near being a 5E expert. Evan though I know what the ID/ED protocol is, I am extremely reluctant to use it.......never take anyone to a place you are not willing to go............. And I really did mean THANKS for the lesson, I'm on this chat to learn from the vast experiences and depth of knowledge that the group as a whole has. NOT to criticize, any idiot can do that. Cheers, Ann hello Ann, ok 'polluted ch'i doesn't quite get the flavour either. 'Destructive' Ch'i may be even better, the concept as taught at leamington is that the AE is damaging to the system and (see Gye's ml) a core concept of 5e practice is moving ch'i around the system so moving destructive ch'i is a bad idea. But AE is taught as coming from drug abuse (pharma and recreational) emotional trauma etc rather than poor diet/poor air, and just yesterday I heard about an AE drain as being instrumental in reversing a recent case of autism post MMR > thank you for the lesson! I don't mean to cause offense - I'm only trying to clarify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hi Ann - re extreme reactions to an ID tx. One possiblity is simply needle shock, that the tx was too powerful for the pnt and not properly grounded afterward. That's happened to me a couple of times, and there are things that can be done to help that. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Hi Karen, thanks for the reply. What sorts of things can be done? Ann tryfan [tryfan] July 5, 2004 4:51 AM Chinese Medicine RE: Re: the dragons treatment Hi Ann - re extreme reactions to an ID tx. One possiblity is simply needle shock, that the tx was too powerful for the pnt and not properly grounded afterward. That's happened to me a couple of times, and there are things that can be done to help that. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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